sparkman,
This is not about salvation, the scriptures is clear it is about faith in Jesus, but there is plenty about the law in the new covenant to keep it in love and to be set apart.
I take it you know about the circumcision party Paul preached against, they wanted the people to be circumcised and said that is where their salvation lies and Paul was rightfully against that.
all teachings of Paul against the law is in regards to obtaining salvation by keeping the law. Which cannot be done.
What is your take on this verse of Paul
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any strength, but faith working through love
what is faith working through love?
2Jn 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Joh 7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
What was the doctrine then that Jesus preached? The doctrine of the Father
Pro 4:2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
What is your take on this?
1Jn 2:6 The one who says that he abides in him must live the same way he himself lived. (ISV)
The law does three thing, bless us, curse us, show us what sin is.
Deu 30:15 "Look, today I have set before you life and what is good, along with death and what is evil.
Deu 30:16 That's why I'm commanding you today to love the LORD your God by walking in his ways and by observing his commands, statutes, and ordinances, so that you may live long, increase, and so that the LORD your God may bless you in the land that you are about to enter to possess....
Deu 30:19 "I call heaven and earth to testify against you today! I've set life and death before you today: both blessings and curses.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
So the curse is gone, what about the blessings, what about identifying what sin is. You should here the testimonies of people, the blessings once the start following torah. The blessings are not done away with.
Who would you say is the woman in Rev. the dragon is mad at. I go for Jerusalem/Israel, cause of the man child indication.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
why not just the testimony of Jesus.
Why not, which keep the commandments of Jesus and His testimony, but specifically God's commandments.
Ezekiel 34, why would God remove His sheep from the shepherds in the last days. If the Christian Church is the way to go.
now before you say, this is for Israel we are Israel
Eph 2:12 At that time you were without the Messiah, excluded from citizenship in Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise. You had no hope and were in the world without God.
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances(dogma); for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Dogma - opinions, judgments and decrees of men, it can't be the law of God as it will be in contrasts with the below and with what Jesus and Paul have said else where
even the one new man in Christ get this instruction from Paul.
Eph 6:2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with a promise:
Regarding 1 John 3 v4 , maybe you should take a look at the root word clear things up for you,
G3551
νόμος
nomos
nom'-os
From a primary word νέμω nemō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law.
What is your take on the book of James
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
law here is the same as G3551 above. The law is now freedom, cause the curse is removed via Jesus and only the blessings remain for keeping it.
The old and new covenant has been made with Israel.
Jer 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: (together it is Israel), I take it you know about the 2/10 split of the tribes of Israel
How did you become part of this new covenant, if it was not made with you as "gentile"? crafted-in correct?
you became Israel, heirs of the promise to Abram. Jesus said I came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
there is just to many things to post, a few things to remember.
1. it is not about salvation, but out of love.
2. When these new testament was written they only scripture available was the old testament.
3. keeping the above in mind gives new meaning to 2 Tim 3 16-17
4. When NT writers preached against the law, it was in context of keeping it for salvation.
5. clean\unclean food, you need to look at the context better, it was about meat sold in the markets whether they should try to find out if it was offered to idols or not.
Jesus saying it is not what goes into your mouth that makes you unclean, context is about washing your hands, which the pharisees asked Him about, He is not saying you can eat pig now.
Then Jesus would have taught against the Torah and he would not have been the able to die for our sin as he would have broken the same law that brought death over us. He also would be contradicting Himself, by saying nothing in the law will change till all be fulfilled.
The all food in Noah that can be eaten, is actually if you do your research on those words used, it is all food that is set apart. Why would God tell Noah take one pair of the unclean and seven pairs of the clean animals, then when they get out He tells Noah you can eat all. What if Noah ate the unclean once, the reason for the animals on the ark was to keep them alive, now he gets off the ark an have the option to eat a spices to distinction.
and we can go on...
6. How is there something like Jesus law, if He said He does not bring His own gospel but that of the one who send Him.
