ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED, HYPER GRACE, ETERNAL SECURITY = FALSE DOCTRINE PROVEN!

[Grace777x70]

It always helps to look at scripture in context. The context is the strife and jealousy. The attacking of each other because of their views being different from someone else.

Whenever we attack each other personally......this is the very same thing the Pharisees did with Jesus ...this is immaturity

What Paul was talking about here is the jealousy and strife and dissensions among them...those are the immature ones in Christ. The ones accusing others of being immature are the very ones that are immature.

1 Corinthians 3:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?

 

[kathryn]

It always helps to put scripture up in context. What Paul was talking about here is the jealousy and strife and dissensions among them...those are the immature ones in Christ. The ones accusing others of being immature are the very ones that are immature.

1 Corinthians 3:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?

In your opinion, is only the fourth example given in the parable of the sower in a saved state, or also the third example given in a saved state?

 

[Grace777x70]

I already told you I would go look at it and study it out....

In your opinion, is only the fourth example given in the parable of the sower in a saved state, or also the third example given in a saved state?

 

[popeye]

The only place osas is true is in the minds of it's adherents.

The conflicting verses have to be ignored or redone.

 

[kathryn]

I already told you I would go look at it and study it out....

Let me help you in your forthcoming studies. As you have stated in this thread if someone constantly follows after the flesh all their life they will still attain heaven, if you conclude only the fourth example in the parable are in a saved state you have then contradicted yourself according to your stated belief

 

[Grace777x70]

Ok..thanks for your help.

This so-called "Attaining heaven" is always and will always be based on the blood of Jesus our Lord.

Let's say..there is a "so-called" clean-living Christian....but they have malice towards their brother..or they feel the constant need to slander others in the Body of Christ....let's say..they are born-again when they are 25...then continue to slander and malign others until they die from a car accident when they are 50...will they "attain heaven"

We don't "attain heaven"..we have eternal life in us because of Christ who is in us.....not anything we do...that is a "works" salvation mindset

Let me help you in your forthcoming studies. As you have stated in this thread if someone follows after the flesh all their life they will still attain heaven, if you conclude only the fourth example in the parable are I a saved state you have then contradicted yourself according to your stated belief

 

[kathryn]

Ok..thanks for your help.

This so-called "Attaining heaven" is always and will always be based on the blood of Jesus our Lord.

Let's say..there is a "so-called" clean-living Christian....but they have malice towards their brother..or they feel the constant need to slander others in the Body of Christ....let's say..they are born-again when they are 25...then continue to slander and malign others until they die from a car accident when they are 50...will they "attain heaven"

We don't "attain heaven"..we have eternal life in us because of Christ who is in us.....not anything we do...that is a "works" salvation mindset

If a small group of christians constantly inferred only a select group of them understood the true Gospel, would this be because of pride or driven by love? If the former, would that in your view be as bad as malice or slander?

 

[Grace777x70]

Would the person who died in the car accident have enough good works or live good enough to "attain heaven"?..let's deal with one thing at a time...

If a small group of christians constantly inferred only a select group of them understood the true Gospel, would this be because of pride or driven by love? If the former, would that in your view be as bad as malice or slander?

 

[kathryn]

Would the person who died in the car accident have enough good works or live good enough to "attain heaven"?..let's deal with one thing at a time...

You don't answer many questions put to you do you.
I am still waiting for you to confirm, according to your stated belief you accept the third as well as the fourth examples mentioned in the parable of the sower are in a saved state
One thing at a time

 

[hotpinkartizt]

Good works don't get you to haven

 

[Grace777x70]

Oh brother....I answered your question...you just won't want to wait until I go look at it ...never mind answering my question as it will lead you down a road of "attaining heaven" by works instead of faith in Christ........

You don't answer many questions put to you do you.
I am still waiting for you to confirm, according to your stated belief you accept the third as well as the fourth examples mentioned in the parable of the sower are in a saved state
One thing at a time

 

[tourist]

Good works don't get you to haven

This is quite true. Welcome to CC

 

[kathryn]

Oh brother....I answered your question...you just won't want to wait until I go look at it ...never mind answering my question as it will lead you down a road of "attaining heaven" by works instead of faith in Christ........

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All you have to do is state simply if you believe the third example mentioned in the parable of the sower is in a saved state. All you need to say is.
Yes they are, or no they are not.
Why is it so difficult for you to state that?

 

[Grace777x70]

Now....if you want to go study my question out before you answer....that is legitimate and I encourage you to do so....studying out things prayerfully really helps our Christian walk...it's a good thing..

You don't answer many questions put to you do you.
I am still waiting for you to confirm, according to your stated belief you accept the third as well as the fourth examples mentioned in the parable of the sower are in a saved state
One thing at a time

 

[kathryn]

Now....if you want to go study my question out before you answer....that is legitimate and I encourage you to do so....studying out things prayerfully really helps our Christian walk...it's a good thing..

The parable relates to four specific group of people. Everyone else can easily answer the question put to you, but you cannot simply answer it
I get the impression that once you are asked to move beyond the basics of the christian faith you struggle to cope

 

[kathryn]

Now....if you want to go study my question out before you answer....that is legitimate and I encourage you to do so....studying out things prayerfully really helps our Christian walk...it's a good thing..

I don't need to study your question out. You only know half the message of the gospel, I accept it all

 

[kathryn]

Would the person who died in the car accident have enough good works or live good enough to "attain heaven"?..let's deal with one thing at a time...

Ok, I accept you cant answer questions put to you so I will just answer yours.
Good works don't save anyone. But the christian has an obligation to follow after the holy spirit rather than the flesh. The christian was born with free will. They have the choice to look to Christ and trust him through the spirit to continually sanctify them or look to the flesh and serve the flesh. You can't do both at the same time
The christian also has to rightly divide the word/ discern truth. Following after the holy spirit in truth does not mean you are perfect in the flesh.
If you always follow after the flesh, never the spirit you are under the lawGal5:18

Christian maturity is not head knowledge but persevering in following after the spirit rather than the flesh

 

[notuptome]

You don't answer many questions put to you do you.
I am still waiting for you to confirm, according to your stated belief you accept the third as well as the fourth examples mentioned in the parable of the sower are in a saved state
One thing at a time

I see the parable as the second, third and fourth as saved. The only one that did not live was the first. Dead and stayed dead. Many today do not see themselves as dead in trespass and sin. They see no need to be born again and remain dead to God as a result.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Born again and not bearing fruit is still born again.

Jesus explanation of the parable of the sower is followed by the teaching about tares and wheat. We cannot distinguish between tares and wheat but He can and He will.

Mat 13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
24 ¶ Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Nothing in the bible is by accident.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Utah]

You endorsed rogers post saying:

Yup exactly, spot on.

So why are you asking me?

You carry on with the explanations. I haven't laughed so much all year.

It that was the best laugh you've had all year then you are to be most pitied.

 

[Grace777x70]

So...the person that has been in the flesh will "attain heaven" then.....which is what happened to the slanderer and maligning Christian in our example.....thanks for your answer..

I do agree that Christians should definitely walk according to the Spirit or they will die before their time..and some a lot quicker then others.....I can't seem to figure why some can go on with a sinful lifestyle for long periods of time before they come back to their senses......others seem to mess up one time and they are dead from reaping after the flesh..I suppose God will answer that one..after all He always has the last say in any matter!

We can trust Him to deal with us in His love and truth. He is a good, loving Father!

Ok, I accept you cant answer questions put to you so I will just answer yours.
Good works don't save anyone. But the christian has an obligation to follow after the holy spirit rather than the flesh. The christian was born with free will. They have the choice to look to Christ and trust him through the spirit to continually sanctify them or look to the flesh and serve the flesh. You can't do both at the same time
The christian also has to rightly divide the word/ discern truth. Following after the holy spirit in truth does not mean you are perfect in the flesh.
If you always follow after the flesh, never the spirit you are under the lawGal5:18

Christian maturity is not head knowledge but persevering in following after the spirit rather than the flesh