Cheap Grace Or Free Grace?

popeye · Dec 30, 2015

Two kids get bikes for christmas.

One kid feels a little apprehension. "I'll pay you back dad"....."Oh no son it is free"......."I don't deserve something this nice"..."doesn't matter,it is yours for all eternity"
The kid neglects it,abuses it,it eventually ends up in the weeds and is now a rust pile.
Never had value to the kid from day one. It was cheap to him. But the thing is still his.

The other kid maintains his bike,takes it in his room,and tells his friends how he appreciates and cherishes it. He is in love with that bike.
It is VALUABLE. It has great ,great value to the kid.

Both bikes cost the same.

Both were free

One was cheap

Is · Dec 30, 2015

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Yeah, I think some people take their "liberty in Christ" too far. Paul never said it is ok to sin in fact he said:

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh." Galatians 5:1

The Church at Pergamum (Rev.2:12-17) was having a lot of trouble with that, as a matter of fact Irenaeus said:

"The Nicolaitanses are the followers if that Nicholas who was one of the seven first ordained to the diaconate by the apostles. They lead lives of unrestrained indulgence. The character of these men is plainly pointed out in the Apocalypse of John, [when they are represented] as teaching that it is matter of indifference to practice adultry, and to eat things sacrificed to idols."

Irenaeus, Adversus haereses, i. 26, §3

HeRoseFromTheDead · Dec 30, 2015

The term free grace isn't in the bible.

The term free gift (which is redundant) appears in the King James Bible in Romans 5:15,16. That is a translation of the Greek word for grace with the ma suffix, which means effect. So the word means effect of grace.

Hoffco · Dec 30, 2015

Empowering Grace always comes before accepting Grace. God never receives a sinner without changing his nature.

Grace777x70 · Dec 30, 2015

Ahhh..you got that one backwards....our nature will be changed after we come to Jesus....not before...it's called the new creation....the new inner man of the heart..the new man in Christ....His life from there changes us..
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eternally-gratefull · Dec 30, 2015

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Grace is unmerited favor.. ie free. (something that must be earned has a price, thus is not free. But that is not grace)

Why do people want to EARN grace?

crossnote · Dec 30, 2015

KennethC said:

We can not separate the walk from the faith itself though, as Jesus, Paul, James, and John all clearly showed this.

How we walk is proof of the Holy Spirit abiding in us, as He was sent to be our helper to walk the proper path in the faith. His fruit should become more and more evident in our daily lives as we grow and mature in the faith, no growth and maturity shows no working of the Holy Spirit.

No Holy Spirit = No salvation in Christ

It all works hand and hand for God's perfect will to be done !!!

Also 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 is not about works of the flesh, it is about faithful servitude !!!

Correction above in bold.

FreeNChrist · Dec 30, 2015

Is said:

Could you point us to where anyone has said it is okay to sin? Thanks.

FreeNChrist · Dec 30, 2015

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

So you're saying grace isn't free??

Grace777x70 · Dec 30, 2015

So..it looks like too the bike that rusted didn't have any eternal life in it.

I loved the analogy as far as us ascribing value to the grace of God....Jesus is our Pearl of great price and our true Treasure..we should value Him and His gifts with all our hearts!

Thanks for the analogy!

popeye said:

crossnote · Dec 30, 2015

KennethC said:

The bible speaks clearly on different rewards being given depending on the servitude, and it also does just the opposite in showing different lengths of punishment for the disobedient and unbelievers.

Our God is a just God.........Do you think it is justice if the same rewards or same punishments are given to everybody on both sides ???

Do you think a liar deserves to be punished and burned in the lake of fire for the same amount of time as a murderer ???

You are kidding right? ALL will be in the Lake of Fire the same amount of time...FOREVER.

crossnote · Dec 30, 2015

Grace777x70 said:

I believe if you take that in the whole context it is speaking of the Gentiles being late comers (one hour) infuriating some of the Jews who have been toiling for centuries (all day).

BradC · Dec 30, 2015

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

There is absolutely no such grace as lawless grace. Jesus came by grace and truth and not by grace and law, for the law came and was given by Moses...

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Rom 10:2-4 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

A person's conduct is irrelevant to salvation, even if his deeds are according to the law. Salvation is by grace through faith in the cross and the blood that was shed to make atonement for sin. The law had nothing to do with the work of the cross. Even under Moses and the law the blood was sprinkled on the book (Heb 9:19).

Gr8grace · Dec 30, 2015

FreeNChrist said:

satan sucks, but hes a master at deception. Christ finished sin and satan has us focused on sin and not the Son.

We,me included, are going to shocked at the Bema seat when we brace for the lashings for all of our sins and Christ says," I paid for your sin, but remember when you gave 50,000 to the church? That was suppose to go to your brother for his cancer treatments. You had wrong motivation and acted independently from me. It was wood,hay and stubble."

Grace777x70 · Dec 30, 2015

Yes..it could allude to the gentiles..I'm looking for any mention of gentiles being made in the previous passages...can't find it...the scriptures prior were talking about the disciples leaving all to follow Jesus....so maybe you think it's an analogy without reference to the gentiles...it would certainly fit in as the Jews are supposed to be provoked to jealousy because of us "dogs"...lol

crossnote said:

crossnote · Dec 30, 2015

KennethC said:

Well, if we are led by the Spirit it is proof we belong to Christ; put another way ...all who belong to Christ are being led by the Spirit (even though they may buck at it at times).

Gr8grace · Dec 30, 2015

crossnote said:

Not far removed from Rome.

FreeNChrist · Dec 30, 2015

Gr8grace said:

It never ceases to amaze me when people respond to grace with, "yeah but".

Indeed. Satan has done a masterful job of keeping Christians obsessed with what God took care of 2000 years ago.

Yep. The only works of eternal value are those "good" works that originate in Christ, done in His energy, with Him as the source. Those are the only works that are good, and that have meaning and lasting value. And I totally expect us to cast our rewards at His feet were they rightfully belong. Jesus is reward enough, eternally so.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Dec 30, 2015

BradC said:

Do you think Luther's grace was a lawful grace?

If ye live according to the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Romans 8:13-14

FreeNChrist · Dec 30, 2015

"The sin underneath all our sins is the lie of the serpent that we cannot trust the love and grace of Christ and that we must take matters into our own hands.”. - Martin Luther

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