ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED, HYPER GRACE, ETERNAL SECURITY = FALSE DOCTRINE PROVEN!

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Of course we hope in the glory of God...glory has a few meanings one = "the goodness of God"..when Moses asked to see His glory..God said I will let all My goodness pass before you

glory is being revealed to and in us is a continuous state and at the same time will continue to be shown more of the goodness of God....the redemption of our bodies will be a wonderful part of "glory" to come to us....

2 Corinthians 3:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
 
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Of course we hope in the glory of God...glory has a few meanings one = "the goodness of God"..when Moses asked to see His glory..God said I will let all My goodness pass before you

glory is being revealed to and in us is a continuous state and at the same time will continue to be shown more of the goodness of God....the redemption of our bodies will be a wonderful part of "glory" to come to us....

2 Corinthians 3:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Stop Stealing my ideas LOL ;)
 
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LOL..I know..what's up with that...I am stealing your "glory"..which you are not supposed to have now....lol
 
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Christ in us gives us the hope of glory, but we do not yet possess glory, which is salvation.
You seem confused. Christ is in you. He is eternal life. You have been saved.
Glory is not salvation in the practical sense, but we can say I was saved, I am being saved, I will be saved. It's not like He did save you, is now in you, but then won't fulfill His promise to bring you home. The work He began in you He will bring to completion. Christ in you is the guarantee, the hope of glory.
 
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You're just doing circular reasoning. Faith that endures to the end is saving faith.

No, Your doing religion.

I am calling faiht faith. God knows if it is saving or not. He does not need to see it endure to the end to know if it is real.

Do the gnostics have you that scared?

Faith is faith. if it is not faith. then do not call it faith.. (james called it dead. at least call it that)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Christ in us gives us the hope of glory, but we do not yet possess glory, which is salvation.
2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

Seems Paul would disagree with you.
 
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Didn't Gnostic's believe that the body was bad? You do not reflect that idea do you? Could you elaborate what you mean - it seems that other's have already made assumptions on what you mean, so I am wondering
Gnostics were not a uniform group with uniform beliefs. They were all over the place. I'm basing my comments on what Irenaeus wrote about the ones he was exposed to during his time (Against Heresies, Chapter 6).
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Gnostics were not a uniform group with uniform beliefs. They were all over the place. I'm basing my comments on what Irenaeus wrote about the ones he was exposed to during his time (Against Heresies, Chapter 6).
so your going to condemn people for what some dude you admit had a lot of false truths in him almost 2000 years said.

Your scaring me dude..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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That's it. That is salvation.
That would be the end result of our hope.

But scripture says we have been saved, Are saved, and will be saved..

you can not have one without all three. otherwise, your faith is in a false hope.
 
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Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 6:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

How can we "take" the helmet of salvation if we don't have "salvation" now...we are saved completely.. we are being saved now when we renew our minds to who we are in Christ..who Christ is inside of us..we are one.

The "hope" of salvation will be on-going through out eternity ..

Ephesians 2:7-8 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
We have a whole lot of goodness/glory....salvation....kindness coming towards us for all the ages to come because of Their love for us..

Folks..we have a wonderful salvation in our Lord Jesus!!!
 
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You seem confused. Christ is in you. He is eternal life. You have been saved.
Glory is not salvation in the practical sense, but we can say I was saved, I am being saved, I will be saved. It's not like He did save you, is now in you, but then won't fulfill His promise to bring you home. The work He began in you He will bring to completion. Christ in you is the guarantee, the hope of glory.
Glorification is the redemption of the body. Salvation isn't complete until that happens.
 
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Gnostics were not a uniform group with uniform beliefs. They were all over the place. I'm basing my comments on what Irenaeus wrote about the ones he was exposed to during his time (Against Heresies, Chapter 6).
So, I probably needed to know that before hand, but could you elaborate on what you said that - about Gnostic Grace
 
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so your going to condemn people for what some dude you admit had a lot of false truths in him almost 2000 years said.

Your scaring me dude..
I haven't said anything about Irenaeus apart from what he wrote about the gnostics, and that he was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of the apostle John.
 
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I haven't said anything about Irenaeus apart from what he wrote about the gnostics, and that he was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of the apostle John.
The Apostle John, Polycarp, and Irenaeus all believed Jesus is God......do you??
 

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Ahh so now we find a major sticking point...

Do we possess glory or are we hoping to possess it?

If I don't believe I possess glory because He gave it to me and He is glory a lot of problems arise..

I'm not a new creation? Even though Scripture says I am.
I don't have His Holy Spirit? And that's just horrible since He's the one who is my Teacher.
I'm not a child of God. So why do I do things He desires? I guess out of my effort? That didn't work for the OT people.
I wasn't found in Christ from the foundation of the world?

Without understanding what you now possess, you can not lay claim to grace that enables us to do the will of our Father...

In fact, you're not allowed to pray Our Father because apparently nothing has happened to you yet... so this prayer is off limits to you... You don't know love... because you're waiting to know love until the end of your life... So you can't love God... ouch.

You don't know forgiveness... so you love little... ouch.... I'm starting to wonder if this person is actually saved?

And so many Scriptures make no sense at all...

John 17:22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,

Romans 8:30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

2 Co 3:18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
- Special note: We are not waiting to be transformed, we are BEING transformed. We are not waiting for death to be transformed...

1 John 3:2 Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.

But don't worry! Because I can explain to you the Scripture "hope of glory"...

21And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, 22he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, 23if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation[SUP]g[/SUP] under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
- This Scripture on the surface looks like it's talking about eternal life, but it's talking about how we are presented before Him after we die. This is the bema seat before Christ where we all will give an account. Elders are called to be above reproach, etc. Looking at the context we see, they were once alienated and separated, but they are no further. This is of course tells us "if you continue in the faith" is really the belief in who you really are. And as you do that, the other stuff is a fruit of that reality.


24Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church, 25of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, 26the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints.
- Our lives make the word of God fully known to the world. This is the hope of glory. Your life is the only Scripture some people will ever read.

27To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28Him we proclaim, warning everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone mature in Christ. 29For this I toil, struggling with all his energy that he powerfully works within me.

Looking at the context of this Scripture we see the following truths:
1. Christ is in us. This is a present reality.
2. This shows how our lives are an EXAMPLE to others...
3. Continue in the faith is knowing that we are now reconciled, forgiven, justified, glorified...
4. Because those who know the goodness of God live repentant toward Him
5. The hope of glory is not for us, it is for the world. Our lives show them who God is.

As we walk in maturity we reveal Christ to the world, which is their hope of glory.

You can see below what continue in the faith looks like...

Colossians 2:6Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

8See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits[SUP]a[/SUP] of the world, and not according to Christ. 9For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15He disarmed the rulers and authorities[SUP]b[/SUP] and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.[SUP]c
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Now the Lord says - I will not share my Glory - My Glory I will give to no one else

Are we referring to Holiness or Glory in a believer?

Reflecting the Glory of God - we beheld his Glory