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The Penitent Woman (Luke 7:37-50)
The Paralytic Man (Matthew 9:2)
The Publican (Luke 18:13-14)
The Thief on the cross (Luke 23:39-43)
They all experienced forgiveness of sins apart from baptism.
Also in Acts 10:44-48, Cornelius and those with him were saved before baptism.
Apparently you didn't read further when I shot his answers down. C'mon ford, stop ducking it and answer for yourself.
The Paralytic Man (Matthew 9:2)
The Publican (Luke 18:13-14)
The Thief on the cross (Luke 23:39-43)
They all experienced forgiveness of sins apart from baptism.
Also in Acts 10:44-48, Cornelius and those with him were saved before baptism.
Apparently you didn't read further when I shot his answers down. C'mon ford, stop ducking it and answer for yourself.
Hebrews 7:24-25
[SUP]24 [/SUP] but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
This verse fordman is talking about Jesus who is God. Its Jesus who intercedes for us and its Jesus who Saves us.
969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."
Sorry fordman but there is ONLY one person who intercedes for us and ONLY one person gives us Salvation and He is Jesus Christ!
For the Catholic Church to teach Mary intercedes for us and brings Salvation to us proves the Catholic Church HAS made Mary to be EQUAL to God.
Face it fordman your corrupted Catholic Church does teach Mary is equal to God.
You can deny it all you want but I just proved beyond a shadow of doubt that Catholicism does make Mary to be equal to God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
This verse fordman is talking about Jesus who is God. Its Jesus who intercedes for us and its Jesus who Saves us.
969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."
Sorry fordman but there is ONLY one person who intercedes for us and ONLY one person gives us Salvation and He is Jesus Christ!
For the Catholic Church to teach Mary intercedes for us and brings Salvation to us proves the Catholic Church HAS made Mary to be EQUAL to God.
Face it fordman your corrupted Catholic Church does teach Mary is equal to God.
You can deny it all you want but I just proved beyond a shadow of doubt that Catholicism does make Mary to be equal to God.
We know by Whom the graces come from to begin with. Mary can't do miracles without God. She can't answer prayers on her own, she has to take them to God. We don't tell Jesus how to do His job. If He wants to have subordinate mediators it's because He is in charge. Throwing out the doctrine a mere 500 years ago means redesigning the economy of grace and doing violence to the Scriptures. If you pray for a loved one who needs it, that also makes you a subordinate mediator! shocking!! shocking!!! So by your standards, nobody can intercede (pray for) anybody.
1 Cor. 3:9 - God invites us to participate in Christ's work because we are God's "fellow workers" and one family in the body of Christ. God wants His children to participate. The phrase used to describe "fellow workers" is "sunergoi," which literally means synergists, or cooperators with God in salvific matters. Does God need fellow workers? Of course not, but this shows how much He, as Father, loves His children. God wants us to work with Him.
Mark 16:20 - this is another example of how the Lord "worked with them" ("sunergountos"). God cooperates with us. Out of His eternal love, He invites our participation.
Rom. 8:28 - God "works for good with" (the Greek is "sunergei eis agathon") those who love Him. We work as subordinate mediators.
2 Cor. 6:1 - "working together" (the Greek is "sunergountes") with him, don't accept His grace in vain. God allows us to participate in His work, not because He needs our help, but because He loves us and wants to exalt us in His Son. It is like the father who lets his child join him in carrying the groceries in the house. The father does not need help, but he invites the child to assist to raise up the child in dignity and love.
He is a loving Father, isn't he HQ?
1 Cor. 3:9 - God invites us to participate in Christ's work because we are God's "fellow workers" and one family in the body of Christ. God wants His children to participate. The phrase used to describe "fellow workers" is "sunergoi," which literally means synergists, or cooperators with God in salvific matters. Does God need fellow workers? Of course not, but this shows how much He, as Father, loves His children. God wants us to work with Him.
Mark 16:20 - this is another example of how the Lord "worked with them" ("sunergountos"). God cooperates with us. Out of His eternal love, He invites our participation.
Rom. 8:28 - God "works for good with" (the Greek is "sunergei eis agathon") those who love Him. We work as subordinate mediators.
2 Cor. 6:1 - "working together" (the Greek is "sunergountes") with him, don't accept His grace in vain. God allows us to participate in His work, not because He needs our help, but because He loves us and wants to exalt us in His Son. It is like the father who lets his child join him in carrying the groceries in the house. The father does not need help, but he invites the child to assist to raise up the child in dignity and love.
He is a loving Father, isn't he HQ?
There is nothing in scripture that says they were exempt from baptism, and scripture is silent on what happened to them after Christs death and resurrection, which is the essence of baptism. The Thief on the Cross had baptism of desire. There is also baptism of blood (martyrdom before baptism could be arranged). All 3 are valid baptisms.
Protestants are sorely divided in 5 major camps on baptism. If you can post your church's official teaching on baptism, maybe we can find what we have in common instead of this p*****g contest.
Also in Acts 10:44-48, Cornelius and those with him were saved before baptism.
Yes, all saved adults receive instruction before baptism, it's a tradition ya know.
Post # please.
I don't abandon a discussion unless the topic has been exhausted or the person(s) I am discussing with refuses to be reasonable and ignores everything I say.
Protestants are sorely divided in 5 major camps on baptism. If you can post your church's official teaching on baptism, maybe we can find what we have in common instead of this p*****g contest.
Also in Acts 10:44-48, Cornelius and those with him were saved before baptism.
Yes, all saved adults receive instruction before baptism, it's a tradition ya know.
Post # please.
I don't abandon a discussion unless the topic has been exhausted or the person(s) I am discussing with refuses to be reasonable and ignores everything I say.
I would simply refer you back to John 14:6 once again. Read it very carefully:
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me."
Either Jesus meant exactly what He said or He is a liar (which we know He is not). There are no other mediators between me and the Father. Period.
By the way your concept of a sub-mediator is incorrect. To illustrate, when I pray for you, Jesus is passing along my request to the Father. Jesus is therefore mediating on my behalf. I on the other hand I am INTERCEDING on your behalf, not sub-mediating.
I think epostle explained it nicely (or dare I say...shot you down) 
on post #607.
However I may add that Jesus also said.... "I solemnly assure you, no one can enter into God's kingdom without being begotten of water and Spitit." (Jn.3:5) At the ascension, Jesus also commanded the apostles...."Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Teach them to carry out everything I have commanded you" (Matt.28:19-20) In another account of the ascension, Jesus added..."The man who believes in [the good news] and accepts Baptisim will be saved; the man who refuses to believe in it will be condemned." (Mk.16:16)
If you did, (thats a big IF) it must not have been a too of an impressive "shoot down" because I don't recall it. Sorry.
You know, thats the beauty of the Catholic faith, we can share some same opinions. Unlike many of your Protestant/non-Catholic sects there is disunity, and thousands upon thousands of differnt interpretations and opinions which equals.....Confusion!
And far as me "ducking'???? Nah, never happen. About the only thing I'd be "ducking" today is my buddy from Texas. Being from Oregon, my Oregon "Ducks" blew a 31 point lead and lost the Alamo Bowl to the TCU's Horned Frogs in San Antonio in OT costing me a $20 wager!
Besides BM, I am having trouble remembering what it was you supposedly shot down epostle on. Care to elaborate?
Pax Christi
on post #607. However I may add that Jesus also said.... "I solemnly assure you, no one can enter into God's kingdom without being begotten of water and Spitit." (Jn.3:5) At the ascension, Jesus also commanded the apostles...."Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Teach them to carry out everything I have commanded you" (Matt.28:19-20) In another account of the ascension, Jesus added..."The man who believes in [the good news] and accepts Baptisim will be saved; the man who refuses to believe in it will be condemned." (Mk.16:16)
If you did, (thats a big IF) it must not have been a too of an impressive "shoot down" because I don't recall it. Sorry.
You know, thats the beauty of the Catholic faith, we can share some same opinions. Unlike many of your Protestant/non-Catholic sects there is disunity, and thousands upon thousands of differnt interpretations and opinions which equals.....Confusion!
And far as me "ducking'???? Nah, never happen. About the only thing I'd be "ducking" today is my buddy from Texas. Being from Oregon, my Oregon "Ducks" blew a 31 point lead and lost the Alamo Bowl to the TCU's Horned Frogs in San Antonio in OT costing me a $20 wager!
Besides BM, I am having trouble remembering what it was you supposedly shot down epostle on. Care to elaborate?
Pax Christi
Ha..ha.... Nice try KenAllen! Why did you stop there? Why didn't you continue? Think I know why, and so will everyone else. Read on.
970:"Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men... flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it."(513) "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."(514) (2008, 1545, 308)
Don't sound like The Blessed Virgin Mary being put equal to God to me. But nice try my friend, however, you failed once again miserably.
Pax Christi
970:"Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men... flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it."(513) "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."(514) (2008, 1545, 308)
Don't sound like The Blessed Virgin Mary being put equal to God to me. But nice try my friend, however, you failed once again miserably.
Pax Christi
You are right. I made a mistake. Poor wording on my part. God does the miracles. She intervenes and there are thousands of documented cases of miracles done by God thanks to her intervention....throughout history. It takes years of investigation to verify as authentic so it's not like Benny Hinn on TV. Fatima and Lourdes are good examples if you are sincere in investigating the evidence. Note that no private revelation is a requirement for belief, but the Church can deem them worthy of belief.
Scientific Evidence for Miracles page 1: examination of the Lourdes rules for miracel acceptence.
Our Lady of Fatima | Catholic Answers
Our Lady of Guadalupe - About - Catholic Online
I see. Deaf, dumb, and blind to the concerns of the faithful on earth. Some heavenly reward.
That's just an arrogant flaming zinger because you can't argue on scriptural grounds. The doctrine of The Communion of Saints has been explained several times in this thread. Ignoring them all and then hurling baseless insults is all you can do. Then you tell us we have a serious indoctrination problem. Stop being a hypocrite and start treating us Catholics like we were human beings.
Scientific Evidence for Miracles page 1: examination of the Lourdes rules for miracel acceptence.
Our Lady of Fatima | Catholic Answers
Our Lady of Guadalupe - About - Catholic Online
I see. Deaf, dumb, and blind to the concerns of the faithful on earth. Some heavenly reward.
That's just an arrogant flaming zinger because you can't argue on scriptural grounds. The doctrine of The Communion of Saints has been explained several times in this thread. Ignoring them all and then hurling baseless insults is all you can do. Then you tell us we have a serious indoctrination problem. Stop being a hypocrite and start treating us Catholics like we were human beings.
No, Mary doesn't intervene at any time. What people misconstrue as Mary is merely a demonic lie or a lying facsimile.
The RCC (your religion) may deem anything it likes, but it is not the Church of Jesus Christ, nor does it have authority. We, the Body of Christ, the Church, have His authority. There is no human organization on earth that has authority. Jesus is our head.
Deaf and mute to you, for sure. You need to be approaching your Mediator, Jesus Christ with all praise and all petitions---if you want answers.
There is nothing arrogant about announcing truth. You usurp Jesus' rightful place with anyone else who seems to you to be a sainted person. He will have none of that. None. Of. That.
When people who claim to walk with Jesus begin to appreciate who He really is, and treat Him accordingly, then maybe we will be on common ground.
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** SATANISTS DESECRATE VIRGIN MARY STATUE
AT CATHOLIC CATHEDRAL ON CHRISTMAS EVE **
in house link: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ween-catholics-christians-29.html#post2427059 scroll to post #569 and 571
You are being wreckless. The difference between you and the Satanists is profound. And so are the similarities. The only respect you give Our Lord's mother is lip service at Christmas time, and she is deserving of far more than that, if you know your bible. Sorry, but i must send you to my ignorasium.
When I see those kinds of remarks, I wonder if they are Freemasons, or Christians who have never fully repented of dabbling in the occult. I also wonder if they have any respect for their own mother.
AT CATHOLIC CATHEDRAL ON CHRISTMAS EVE **
in house link: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ween-catholics-christians-29.html#post2427059 scroll to post #569 and 571
You are being wreckless. The difference between you and the Satanists is profound. And so are the similarities. The only respect you give Our Lord's mother is lip service at Christmas time, and she is deserving of far more than that, if you know your bible. Sorry, but i must send you to my ignorasium.
When I see those kinds of remarks, I wonder if they are Freemasons, or Christians who have never fully repented of dabbling in the occult. I also wonder if they have any respect for their own mother.
No...I am wreckless because I am not reckless.
As for Mary, I place her in her rightful sition which is great honour for her service to God in bearing the Son and for rearing the boy, Jesus. There are countless heroes in the bible, and Mary is one of them. She had a special rile, yet as a woman who declared herself as a asinner needing a Saviour, she is no different than you or ame. We need to take from her story the lesson that God desires to use us...simple people---for His mighty purposes. Hiwever, she is hardly spiken of in scripture, and to make her more than she was is a sacrilege, and you truly do err by deifying the woman. That the RCC is so blind tonit just confirms how the enemy of God is at the root of it.
As for Mary, I place her in her rightful sition which is great honour for her service to God in bearing the Son and for rearing the boy, Jesus. There are countless heroes in the bible, and Mary is one of them. She had a special rile, yet as a woman who declared herself as a asinner needing a Saviour, she is no different than you or ame. We need to take from her story the lesson that God desires to use us...simple people---for His mighty purposes. Hiwever, she is hardly spiken of in scripture, and to make her more than she was is a sacrilege, and you truly do err by deifying the woman. That the RCC is so blind tonit just confirms how the enemy of God is at the root of it.
B
I put up an answer to this thread before, and reading through now I am overcome with indignation.
Mary is dead. She is not in heaven! No where in scripture does it say this! She is not a deity she is not able to answer prayer she is not part of the Godhead AT ALL! Scripter says
John 3:13
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
There is a flaw within the RCC and it was conceived even before it's foundation around 400AD. People do not want to let go! To be with Christ and in His Church we have to let go and let Jesus do it, within us. This is how grace works, there is nothing we can do except accepting what He has done by dying on the Cross, this is the 'gospel' the Good news, and afterwards we still do not have to do anything, certainly nothing that is "ordained" by man. Yes there is baptism but the acceptance comes first or what would there be except a bath and we all have those (hopefully), and this baptism was ordained by Jesus himself (as for Cornelius and his household they had to accept Jesus before being baptised and they were).
As for the rest of it 'the doctrine of the communion of the saints' etc where is this scriptural? We are saints are we not? Paul wrote "To the saints at Ephesus" meaning the congregation not special individuals who had been canonised, what is canonised? We are told by God DO NOT ADD TO HIS WORD! and NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY!
Jesus said through John when he wrote revelation that He hated the deeds of the Nicolations, Hated is such a strong word and the Spirit convicts within us when things like this come up and they are pointed out, like now, and there is always a reaction,good or bad. The deeds on the Nicolations compromises the Word of God, it waters it down, it takes from what is not of God and makes it simulate what is. When Constantine said 'everyone become Christian' there was a relief among the brethren that they were not going to be thrown to the lions or persecuted any more and everyone (Christians) thought that they would be safe now. But the temples that abounded in the Roman world which were given over to Christianity became the focus, the priests which held power within the population were not giving in without a fight, and take counsel they might from Christians around them they did not give up seats of power, and being forced to become a Christian did not mean becoming one. It meant a true representation of the faith was not being told those who needed to know it, because those who were doing the telling did not know it them selves.
There is in scripture mention of the 'secrets of the Kingdom', it also says that these secrets, now Jesus was risen and ascended were made known, these secrets were the things written about Christ within the old testament which were by what Christ did fulfilled so all could understand. The RCC took this and turned it upside down using Latin to hide the truth from the people, the Word only to be written in Latin, the words of God only spoken in Latin, the rituals of the pagan temples kept (because they controlled the people) and incorporated within the Latin texts.
The end of all this which people do not seem to see is that from being killed for their faith, Christians suddenly started killing for their faith. The deeds of the Nicolations incorporated within the New church the teachings of the old pagan religions which is why we have saints days, Christmas, Easter, purgatory, and last but not least a wealthy church that feeds itself while its parishioners starve.
As for miracles done in saints names, is not Satan known as an 'angel of light'? While those miracles done in Jesus name will not be manifest within the world because that is not what they are for, they edify the Church not Man or woman.
I am going to stop now because my blood is boiling and I wish to remain a member of CC. If this specific post is answered please use scriptural references, the KJV or NTV even the GN translations. lets keep this real.
Mary is dead. She is not in heaven! No where in scripture does it say this! She is not a deity she is not able to answer prayer she is not part of the Godhead AT ALL! Scripter says
John 3:13
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
There is a flaw within the RCC and it was conceived even before it's foundation around 400AD. People do not want to let go! To be with Christ and in His Church we have to let go and let Jesus do it, within us. This is how grace works, there is nothing we can do except accepting what He has done by dying on the Cross, this is the 'gospel' the Good news, and afterwards we still do not have to do anything, certainly nothing that is "ordained" by man. Yes there is baptism but the acceptance comes first or what would there be except a bath and we all have those (hopefully), and this baptism was ordained by Jesus himself (as for Cornelius and his household they had to accept Jesus before being baptised and they were).
As for the rest of it 'the doctrine of the communion of the saints' etc where is this scriptural? We are saints are we not? Paul wrote "To the saints at Ephesus" meaning the congregation not special individuals who had been canonised, what is canonised? We are told by God DO NOT ADD TO HIS WORD! and NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY!
Jesus said through John when he wrote revelation that He hated the deeds of the Nicolations, Hated is such a strong word and the Spirit convicts within us when things like this come up and they are pointed out, like now, and there is always a reaction,good or bad. The deeds on the Nicolations compromises the Word of God, it waters it down, it takes from what is not of God and makes it simulate what is. When Constantine said 'everyone become Christian' there was a relief among the brethren that they were not going to be thrown to the lions or persecuted any more and everyone (Christians) thought that they would be safe now. But the temples that abounded in the Roman world which were given over to Christianity became the focus, the priests which held power within the population were not giving in without a fight, and take counsel they might from Christians around them they did not give up seats of power, and being forced to become a Christian did not mean becoming one. It meant a true representation of the faith was not being told those who needed to know it, because those who were doing the telling did not know it them selves.
There is in scripture mention of the 'secrets of the Kingdom', it also says that these secrets, now Jesus was risen and ascended were made known, these secrets were the things written about Christ within the old testament which were by what Christ did fulfilled so all could understand. The RCC took this and turned it upside down using Latin to hide the truth from the people, the Word only to be written in Latin, the words of God only spoken in Latin, the rituals of the pagan temples kept (because they controlled the people) and incorporated within the Latin texts.
The end of all this which people do not seem to see is that from being killed for their faith, Christians suddenly started killing for their faith. The deeds of the Nicolations incorporated within the New church the teachings of the old pagan religions which is why we have saints days, Christmas, Easter, purgatory, and last but not least a wealthy church that feeds itself while its parishioners starve.
As for miracles done in saints names, is not Satan known as an 'angel of light'? While those miracles done in Jesus name will not be manifest within the world because that is not what they are for, they edify the Church not Man or woman.
I am going to stop now because my blood is boiling and I wish to remain a member of CC. If this specific post is answered please use scriptural references, the KJV or NTV even the GN translations. lets keep this real.
First off - the Bible states they were saved before baptism (if they ever were later is pure speculation on your part).
Please show me where any of that is taught in the Bible and didn't just come out of your fertile imagination, please.
No, epostle. They were saved before they ever touched the water - which is contradictory to what your "church" teaches.
Here it is: Baptism is not necessary for salvation.
I'll search later for the postings, but what happened was your usual modus operandi: You were losing, whined about no one having all the answers, and threatened to put me on ignore.
Which I see you doing up on post #616.
Every time someone says something you don't like, you threaten to shut them down. And yet you can spew all the venom you want and then get defensive when you get called on it.
Please show me where any of that is taught in the Bible and didn't just come out of your fertile imagination, please.
No, epostle. They were saved before they ever touched the water - which is contradictory to what your "church" teaches.
Here it is: Baptism is not necessary for salvation.
I'll search later for the postings, but what happened was your usual modus operandi: You were losing, whined about no one having all the answers, and threatened to put me on ignore.
Which I see you doing up on post #616.
Every time someone says something you don't like, you threaten to shut them down. And yet you can spew all the venom you want and then get defensive when you get called on it.
Begotten of water means physical birth. The first birth. Which is why Jesus says we must be born "again".
I swear - what you know about the Bible can be put into a thimble.
Notice the pattern, Ford. A disciple is made first through conversion (saved) and then baptized. One is saved by believing through faith first, and then is baptized.
Saved first - then baptism as a symbolic means of publicly showing you have placed your faith in Christ.
Read the entire book of Acts. The pattern is always the same. A person is converted/saved and then gets baptized - which is the exact opposite of what your "church" teaches - that it's through getting dunked in water first (usually as a baby) that saves.
You betcha:
We were talking about Pope John Paul II kissing the Koran, and you said he did it to show "respect" to Muslims and Islam. (In the thread: "Catholic Heresy for the record").
I wrote:
"Why would any true Christian show "respect" to a religion that is leading billions of people to hell, Ford?
It's the same as showing respect to Satanism, or Buddhism, Hinduism, Mormonism, or any other religion that is damning souls!
Would you kiss the Satanic Bible, Ford? How about the Book of Mormon? Would you kiss the Koran?
Will Muslims make it to heaven, Ford? How about Buddhists, Hindus, Satanists, Mormons, etc.?"
From August 2015 - and you've been ducking answering it ever since.
I swear - what you know about the Bible can be put into a thimble.
Notice the pattern, Ford. A disciple is made first through conversion (saved) and then baptized. One is saved by believing through faith first, and then is baptized.
Saved first - then baptism as a symbolic means of publicly showing you have placed your faith in Christ.
Read the entire book of Acts. The pattern is always the same. A person is converted/saved and then gets baptized - which is the exact opposite of what your "church" teaches - that it's through getting dunked in water first (usually as a baby) that saves.
You betcha:
We were talking about Pope John Paul II kissing the Koran, and you said he did it to show "respect" to Muslims and Islam. (In the thread: "Catholic Heresy for the record").
I wrote:
"Why would any true Christian show "respect" to a religion that is leading billions of people to hell, Ford?
It's the same as showing respect to Satanism, or Buddhism, Hinduism, Mormonism, or any other religion that is damning souls!
Would you kiss the Satanic Bible, Ford? How about the Book of Mormon? Would you kiss the Koran?
Will Muslims make it to heaven, Ford? How about Buddhists, Hindus, Satanists, Mormons, etc.?"
From August 2015 - and you've been ducking answering it ever since.