Nope. That is Jesus teaching about being born again, when the Spirit if God cimes to dwell within the believer. He us not talking about the baptism of the Holy Spirit that was never experienced until after His ascension---at Pentecost, and has been available to all believers ever since until today and until the Lord returns.
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Baptism of the Holy Spirit is when God places the Holy Spirit in us, and thus we are born again........
You do not have the Holy Spirit in you before you are baptized with Him by God !!!
When Jesus was baptized in the water by John, when He rose and the Spirit of God came down in the form of a dove. That was the baptism of the Holy Spirit on Jesus.
This was shown for us believers because this how we are baptized by the Holy Spirit as well !!!
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
From RC Sproul:
[h=2]Is there a difference between being baptized with the Holy Spirit and being filled with the Holy Spirit?[/h]
At times when we read the New Testament record of those who are baptized in the Spirit or filled with the Spirit, it seems that these terms are used interchangeably, that they refer to the same phenomenon. At other times there’s a little distinction that is not altogether clear in the text. Sometimes it seems that to discern the difference requires a knife sharper than the one I own.
Let’s just go back and ask this question: What does the Bible mean by the term “baptized in the Holy Spirit”? In the New Testament there’s a distinction between being born of the Spirit—which is the work of the Holy Spirit to regenerate us, to change the disposition of our hearts and make us alive spiritually—and to baptize us in the Holy Spirit. We read about the baptism of the Holy Spirit principally on the Day of Pentecost and subsequent events similar to the Day of Pentecost in which those who were gathered were baptized in the Holy Spirit. We understand that the people who were baptized in the Holy Spirit were already believers and they were already regenerated. So we must distinguish between the Spirit’s work in making us spiritually alive and the Spirit’s work in baptizing us, whatever baptizing means. Most churches would affirm that the primary meaning of the concept of baptism in the Holy Spirit is the work of the Spirit upon a human being to endow that person with the power necessary to carry out their mission and vocation as a Christian.
In the Old Testament that charisma, the gift of the empowering of the Holy Spirit, was limited to certain individuals such as priests and prophets and mediators like Moses. But the point of the New Testament is that the whole body of the people of God is now being equipped and empowered from on high to carry out its task. Notice that Pentecost is tied very closely to the great commission. Jesus said, “Go into Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the outermost parts of the earth, but before you go, tarry in Jerusalem. After the Holy Spirit comes upon you, then you can go and carry out this mandate.”
The “baptism of the Spirit” refers to being equipped or empowered by God’s Spirit to carry out the task that Jesus has given the church. When the Spirit equips us or baptizes us, we are immersed, as it were, in the Holy Spirit; sometimes the Scriptures refer to this as being filled with the Holy Spirit. Other times the term “being filled with the Holy Spirit” is used in the same way as being filled with love or filled with joy—there’s this sensation of superabundance of the presence of God. I think that sometimes the Scripture is speaking of something more than simply being equipped for ministry, but having an awareness, a keen awareness and consciousness, of the powerful presence of the Spirit.
Is there a difference between being baptized with the Holy Spirit and being filled with the Holy Spirit?
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[h=2]Is there a difference between being baptized with the Holy Spirit and being filled with the Holy Spirit?[/h]
At times when we read the New Testament record of those who are baptized in the Spirit or filled with the Spirit, it seems that these terms are used interchangeably, that they refer to the same phenomenon. At other times there’s a little distinction that is not altogether clear in the text. Sometimes it seems that to discern the difference requires a knife sharper than the one I own.
Let’s just go back and ask this question: What does the Bible mean by the term “baptized in the Holy Spirit”? In the New Testament there’s a distinction between being born of the Spirit—which is the work of the Holy Spirit to regenerate us, to change the disposition of our hearts and make us alive spiritually—and to baptize us in the Holy Spirit. We read about the baptism of the Holy Spirit principally on the Day of Pentecost and subsequent events similar to the Day of Pentecost in which those who were gathered were baptized in the Holy Spirit. We understand that the people who were baptized in the Holy Spirit were already believers and they were already regenerated. So we must distinguish between the Spirit’s work in making us spiritually alive and the Spirit’s work in baptizing us, whatever baptizing means. Most churches would affirm that the primary meaning of the concept of baptism in the Holy Spirit is the work of the Spirit upon a human being to endow that person with the power necessary to carry out their mission and vocation as a Christian.
In the Old Testament that charisma, the gift of the empowering of the Holy Spirit, was limited to certain individuals such as priests and prophets and mediators like Moses. But the point of the New Testament is that the whole body of the people of God is now being equipped and empowered from on high to carry out its task. Notice that Pentecost is tied very closely to the great commission. Jesus said, “Go into Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria, and the outermost parts of the earth, but before you go, tarry in Jerusalem. After the Holy Spirit comes upon you, then you can go and carry out this mandate.”
The “baptism of the Spirit” refers to being equipped or empowered by God’s Spirit to carry out the task that Jesus has given the church. When the Spirit equips us or baptizes us, we are immersed, as it were, in the Holy Spirit; sometimes the Scriptures refer to this as being filled with the Holy Spirit. Other times the term “being filled with the Holy Spirit” is used in the same way as being filled with love or filled with joy—there’s this sensation of superabundance of the presence of God. I think that sometimes the Scripture is speaking of something more than simply being equipped for ministry, but having an awareness, a keen awareness and consciousness, of the powerful presence of the Spirit.
Is there a difference between being baptized with the Holy Spirit and being filled with the Holy Spirit?
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I gave scriptural proof of what that one baptism of the Holy Spirit is, but you argue that is not the one. Your wrong.
Again....1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
How many baptisms of the Holy Spirit are needed to receive gifts? One Baptism.
Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Again....1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
How many baptisms of the Holy Spirit are needed to receive gifts? One Baptism.
Ephesians 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
You call it one of his manifestations. We dont. I call it babbling and weird noises as well. It has swept across the USA with people head shaking, running around the building, laughing uncontrollably and acting like wild animals in what is supposed to be a moving of the Holy Spirit. Ahwahtukee summed it up perfectly. It was for a time and a purpose.
Your references do not refer to the baptism, the empowerment of the Holy Spirit as we submit to it. We can all have it by simply asking God for it. It is give to us, and available to us, but we have to dive in.
Acts 10:44-48
Even as Peter was saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell upon all who were listening to the message. [SUP]45 [/SUP]The Jewish believers who came with Peter were amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles, too. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For they heard them speaking in other tongues and praising God.Then Peter asked, [SUP]47 [/SUP]“Can anyone object to their being baptized, now that they have received the Holy Spirit just as we did?”
[SUP]48 [/SUP]So he gave orders for them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Afterward Cornelius asked him to stay with them for several days.
Acts 19:1-7
While Apollos was in Corinth, Paul traveled through the interior regions until he reached Ephesus, on the coast, where he found several believers. [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” he asked them.
“No,” they replied, “we haven’t even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Then what baptism did you experience?” he asked.
And they replied, “The baptism of John.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Paul said, “John’s baptism called for repentance from sin. But John himself told the people to believe in the one who would come later, meaning Jesus.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]As soon as they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in other tongues and prophesied. [SUP]7 [/SUP]There were about twelve men in all.
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Acts 10:44-48
Even as Peter was saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell upon all who were listening to the message. [SUP]45 [/SUP]The Jewish believers who came with Peter were amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles, too. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For they heard them speaking in other tongues and praising God.Then Peter asked, [SUP]47 [/SUP]“Can anyone object to their being baptized, now that they have received the Holy Spirit just as we did?”
[SUP]48 [/SUP]So he gave orders for them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Afterward Cornelius asked him to stay with them for several days.
Acts 19:1-7
While Apollos was in Corinth, Paul traveled through the interior regions until he reached Ephesus, on the coast, where he found several believers. [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” he asked them.
“No,” they replied, “we haven’t even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Then what baptism did you experience?” he asked.
And they replied, “The baptism of John.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Paul said, “John’s baptism called for repentance from sin. But John himself told the people to believe in the one who would come later, meaning Jesus.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]As soon as they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in other tongues and prophesied. [SUP]7 [/SUP]There were about twelve men in all.
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Ah! Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about!
My mom is from the holiness movement (and after I got save, that's definitely the direction God pulled me). I believe very strongly that anyone who gets saved receives the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, but that the baptism of the Spirit, sometimes called "sanctification" or "Christian perfection" (notice, not "absolute perfection"!) or "heart holiness/purity," is a second work of grace after you first get saved in which God removes the pull to sin from your life. Like salvation, it's not written in granite -- you can still backslide -- but it brings your will into harmony with God's in a way that it wasn't before, so that your heart isn't pulled in two different directions like it was before. While this is always characterized by perfect love and the fruits of the Spirit, I do not necessarily believe that this work is instantly accompanied by gifts of the Spirit. The fullness of the Spirit, and the fruits of the Spirit -- with gifts being given as God chooses to bestow them, according to the individual's trustworthiness, faith, character, and the circumstances surrounding them.
My extremely brief experience with "speaking in tongues" in the popular form it takes to day was of zero benefit to me, and undoubtedly would have gotten me in a great deal of trouble had I continued in it. Nor has being in the presence of someone "speaking in tongues" ever proved of personal benefit.
I agree strongly that a great number of "tongues"-speaking churches seem to take an unholy pride in this, what they consider to be a gift, and sometimes treat other Christians unfairly or condescendingly because of it. I've met a number of nice people from that movement... but so often there was something that just seemed to be a little... off.
My mom is from the holiness movement (and after I got save, that's definitely the direction God pulled me). I believe very strongly that anyone who gets saved receives the Holy Spirit dwelling in them, but that the baptism of the Spirit, sometimes called "sanctification" or "Christian perfection" (notice, not "absolute perfection"!) or "heart holiness/purity," is a second work of grace after you first get saved in which God removes the pull to sin from your life. Like salvation, it's not written in granite -- you can still backslide -- but it brings your will into harmony with God's in a way that it wasn't before, so that your heart isn't pulled in two different directions like it was before. While this is always characterized by perfect love and the fruits of the Spirit, I do not necessarily believe that this work is instantly accompanied by gifts of the Spirit. The fullness of the Spirit, and the fruits of the Spirit -- with gifts being given as God chooses to bestow them, according to the individual's trustworthiness, faith, character, and the circumstances surrounding them.
My extremely brief experience with "speaking in tongues" in the popular form it takes to day was of zero benefit to me, and undoubtedly would have gotten me in a great deal of trouble had I continued in it. Nor has being in the presence of someone "speaking in tongues" ever proved of personal benefit.
I agree strongly that a great number of "tongues"-speaking churches seem to take an unholy pride in this, what they consider to be a gift, and sometimes treat other Christians unfairly or condescendingly because of it. I've met a number of nice people from that movement... but so often there was something that just seemed to be a little... off.
Actually, there is an air of superiority in those who debunk the move of the Holy Spirit, mocking Him by calling His manifestation of tongues babbling, gibberish and "weird noises". It grieves Him to hear His children speak like that. Certainly they can muster some respect.
If you don't want it, so be it. But don't mock Him in unproductive speech.
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If you don't want it, so be it. But don't mock Him in unproductive speech.
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