The Lie of Parental Forgiveness: Rebuilding the Veil Jesus Broke
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So perfection is the standard by which you are saved? This is true and yet all fall short of God's glory. You don't repent of all your sins, you aren't perfect. There is only one repentance that deals with sin, once and for all. That is a repentance that turns towards Christ and places faith in Him (I.e, His finished work at the cross for our sins). Not some continual repentance of the flesh but a changing of the mind towards Jesus Christ. Man being incapable of saving himself and in need of a savior. The savior, Jesus Christ.
God's "parental forgiveness" started the moment we became His children and that happened by the Spirit of Adoption. In Christ we already have that forgiveness from our Heavenly Father, hence the veil being torn. Sin is a thing of the past, consider yourself dead to it and risen with Christ (symbolized in baptism).
F
The other problem with hyper grace is that they don't get the difference between Justification and Sanctification and when this is pointe out to them...they lampblast everyone as legalists (very graceful
) and change the meaning to what scrpture plainly teaches.
Hi Ben,
Your paragraph started of well, then you went into that 'New hyper grace re interpretation error'. Don't you know that christians believe they are dead to sin?? very elemenatry stuff ben its the part of the ABC's... but you lack something, your missing out, I would say intentionlly leaving out some great biblical teaching.
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And once more for the "Gipper"...
The real reason people come up with the 2 types of forgiveness is that they need to do something to refute what the scriptures have to say about forgiveness in order to keep their "sacred cow" in place....the real truth in scriptures "conflicts" with their religious beliefs which all of us have been subjected to from the time we were born-again.
Forgiveness is a done deal bought for by the blood of our Lord. Despite what our religious upbringing has taught us. This is what scripture has to say about forgiveness but men's made up terms to support their religious views.
1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.
have been forgiven = perfect passive
Perfect Tense
The basic thought of the perfect tense is that the progress of an action has been completed and the results of the action are continuing on, in full effect.
In other words, the progress of the action has reached its culmination and the finished results are now in existence. Unlike the English perfect, which indicates a completed past action, the Greek perfect tense indicates the continuation and present state of a completed past action.
passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it
Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous state and that was put on them....not something they did
Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!
Here are some more scriptures on the forgiveness of God thru the precious blood of our Lord!....
Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...and look...that hyper-grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.
Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins
Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work
The real reason people come up with the 2 types of forgiveness is that they need to do something to refute what the scriptures have to say about forgiveness in order to keep their "sacred cow" in place....the real truth in scriptures "conflicts" with their religious beliefs which all of us have been subjected to from the time we were born-again.
Forgiveness is a done deal bought for by the blood of our Lord. Despite what our religious upbringing has taught us. This is what scripture has to say about forgiveness but men's made up terms to support their religious views.
1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.
have been forgiven = perfect passive
Perfect Tense
The basic thought of the perfect tense is that the progress of an action has been completed and the results of the action are continuing on, in full effect.
In other words, the progress of the action has reached its culmination and the finished results are now in existence. Unlike the English perfect, which indicates a completed past action, the Greek perfect tense indicates the continuation and present state of a completed past action.
passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it
Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous state and that was put on them....not something they did
Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!
Here are some more scriptures on the forgiveness of God thru the precious blood of our Lord!....
Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...and look...that hyper-grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.
Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins
Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work
G
The other problem with hyper grace is that they don't get the difference between Justification and Sanctification and when this is pointe out to them...they lampblast everyone as legalists (very graceful
) and change the meaning to what scrpture plainly teaches.
I would guess that most here would call me hyper grace..............and that is what we are trying to point out........the difference between Justification and sanctification.
It seems to me that the folks here that are fighting Grace and think grace is a bad word are the EXACT ones who don't understand the differences.
K
That is where you are wrong Willie-T, as only the unlearned have no answer !!!
Repentance is a change of mind from doing one thing to doing the opposite..................
I know some like to drop off the last half and just call it a "change of mind" or the new faulty definition used "unbelief to belief."
Repentance involves action and John the Baptist even shows this when he said, "do works worthy of repentance."
This means that what you do after you have confessed your sins determines if your repentance was true, so if a person still continues to deliberate continue doing those sins then the repentance was not true. However if they do stop committing those sins or they are trying to stop but still struggling then the repentance was true.
When God repented it was from destroying others, but He changed His mind and thus let them live instead of destroying them !!!
Repentance is a change of mind that carries over into action !!!
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Actually you don't say much.. Ben is the only '''hyper grace '' guy actually saying anything of worth.
I remember this --- when there was a fight in the school playground a circle would gather around to watch. now nearly always there was the sly and sleaked boy who would throw in a kick or punch from the sidelines. this boy was the lowest of all, and usually if caught would be punished worse by the teachers than the fighters..because of his slyness and sleakedness. This boy reminds me of you in the forums freeNchrist... please read Ben's post he is on your side and he can teach you a thing or 2