baptism of the Holy Ghost

Euphemia · Jan 17, 2016

No, you were misguided in doing so. He was not in the wrong. You could have been tolerant of your brother. You do not fully understand the scriptures that teach us about tongues, and this is where the divergence on your part comes from.

I hold fast to the word of God...always. You can stop with your empty accusations, now, especially when you know different from what you say to me...thanks. I see you have removed me as your friend, when just the other day you said that you would not allow our differences to get in the way of that.

Hmmm.

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Grace777x70 · Jan 17, 2016

....if the leader asked for them to pray either with the mind or with the spirit....they all could.....or they could just sit there and not say a word during the whole service......no body can demand for people to pray in any form..it's voluntary.....

blondieindahouse said:

KennethC · Jan 17, 2016

Euphemia said:

Because your wrong as the bible says tongues done in prayer only edifies the person praying, thus why it is to be done privately and not openly out loud.

Tongues as in known human languages edifies others, because the Holy Spirit allows a person who speaks only Chinese to hear in his own language what a person speaking God's word in English is saying.

Praying in tongues is not to be done over another person if they don't know what the person is saying, and if they feel uneasy about it then they have every right to stop the person and let them know this is wrong !!!

Prophecy is separate from tongues, they are not one and the same gift Euphemia. I don't know why you want to confuse and mix the two.

The OT prophets never spoke in a unknown tongue to others, so why would they need an interpreter now ???

You are confusing two separate gifts of the Holy Spirit and making them into one !!!!

I know very well the gift of tongues, you are the one who is confused and mixing the gifts !!!

Grace777x70 · Jan 17, 2016

Tongues can be angelic as well as human..

Tongues speak mysteries to God as well as edify the individual believer....so this could be used in a setting where everyone is praying....as a matter of fact it should be encouraged in the proper context if the people involved were learned in the subject..

tongues and the interpretation of tongues is equivalent to prophecy..just that tongues is used...with the interpretation of course..

KennethC · Jan 17, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

First nobody is denying the angelic as well as human, but the angelic is clearly shown by Paul that this is only done in prayer......

Second again what are you going by to tie the gift of tongues and the gift of prophecy together ???

Every single prophet mentioned in the OT spoke in the language of their area, they did not give prophecies in some unknown language.

The only time the OT spoke of a prophecy needing to be interpreted, it was an angel sent from God that personally interpreted it to the prophet who in turn gave what he was told to the others.

There was no human interpreter involved in prophecy !!!

Apostle Paul also said that he wished all would speak in tongues, showing not all will, but then went on and said he wishes we would all prophecy instead. That alone shows one who does prophecy does not have to speak in tongues as well to understand !!!

Grace777x70 · Jan 17, 2016

1 Corinthians 14:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.

1 Corinthians 14:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.
Here it shows that tongues with the interpretation is for edifying the church just like regular prophecy

There is a difference between tongues as a gift for the assembly that needs to be interpretated and regular prayer language for praying mysteries in the spirit to our Father as seen in..

1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.

Euphemia · Jan 17, 2016

KennethC said:

When I pray over someone, I can use tongues, depending on the company present, as I do not want to offend. Tongues is a powerful tool to thwart the enemy and to bring healing and basically, power into the situation being prayed about.

Tongues in ANY language and done for the benefit of the congregation edifies the congregation, as God is speaking. If it is prayer, then it is Holy Spirit talking to God through us, and no one needs to interpret that, and God is the edifier.

It is a good thing to pray over pour brothers and sisters in tongues, if the Lord prompts us to do so. If there is someone present or the person being prayed over who does not grasp tongues, then we would be remiss to do it. We need to be careful not to offend people.

Tongues in the assembly is a gift of the prophetic. I am not the confused one, here.

LOL! Tongues was not in operation before Pentecost.

No, I confuse nothing, here. LOL, you sure have gotten your dander up, mister! So busy dissing that you do not receive.

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Grace777x70 · Jan 17, 2016

Anyway..I off to sleep..have a good night everyone and God bless!

KennethC · Jan 17, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Euphemia said:

None of the scriptures above by Grace777x70 nor does any other scripture Euphemia connect the gift of tongues and the gift of prophecy as one and the same gift.

Do you two even know what prophecy is ???

Nowhere I repeat again does any prophet of the OT ever speak in a unknown language.......

Prophecy is always given in dreams and visions, not tongues !!!

It is the dream and visions that need to be interpreted and every single time in the OT an angel of God is sent to give the person understanding of the prophecy..........Another person is not appointed to interpret it !!!

Euphemia · Jan 17, 2016

LOL! When the Lord speaks to His people through a person in tongues, that is prophecy. Do you not understand what prophecy is? It is the word of God delivered to us. It is more forthtelling than the commonly believed foretelling!!!

Prophecy can be delivered in dreams and visions and it can come from the word itself, or from God Himself speaking through His people. Come on. Get into the New Covenant! However, as you insist on the OT, here is something for you:

Joel 2:28-29
“Then, after doing all those things,
I will pour out my Spirit upon all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy.
Your old men will dream dreams,
and your young men will see visions.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]In those days I will pour out my Spirit
even on servants—men and women alike.

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blondieindahouse · Jan 17, 2016

This is my input post #15.
I obviously do understand !!!!!!! I guess you bear false witness against me.

I do need to use exclamation marks for you. I am trying to get your attention. You speak as if you are some authority on this and you arent.

Tongues is not the baptism of The Holy Spirit and tongues is focused on way too much by people like you. Funny how for 1800 yrs the church didnt have this "movement."
The enemy has used this and brought in an imitation in many instances. Those instances are when it is not in operation according to scripture.. That is ALL I HAVE WITNESSED.

blondieindahouse · Jan 17, 2016

Its sounding like tongues can be just about anything according to some people

Euphemia · Jan 17, 2016

blondieindahouse said:

LOL! I gather you must be speaking to me?

I am certainly no authority, but I do not cast out what God teaches me. Should I, based on what you think? Hardly. Where have I ever borne false witness against anyone here?? Please provide proof.

I never focus on one aspect of the anointing, nor do I focus on tongues. I speak of it here because it is part of the discussion---most likely brought up by its detractors, and most often for reasons of strife.

What do you mean, "People like me"? How the worm turns, eh? Once so sweet and friendly and now bitter lemons...and ad hominems!

The Church, the Body of Christ has always had the ministry of the Holy Spirit going on, so your idea concerning 1800 years is moot.

Where Holy Spirit is welcome and the word of God is preached, the enemy cannot even get close enough to do any harm. He is repelled by people who know who they are in Christ and know WHOSE they are and obey the word. You are only fomenting fear, and that comes from a denominational influence and poor teaching.

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KennethC · Jan 17, 2016

blondieindahouse said:

Yes I know as Apostle Paul clearly made and showed a difference between gift of tongues and gift of prophecy, he did not say they are one and the same.

He even said it in the way that a person with the gift of prophecy doesn't have to have the gift of tongues to, but some here are trying to say tongues is prophecy.

Funny I never read one Prophet mentioned in OT or in the NT that was said were speaking in tongues, as in a unknown or angelic language. They all spoke in the language of their area at the time !!!

The meaning of prophecy is getting to far of broad brush to apply it to everything but what it is !!!

blondieindahouse · Jan 17, 2016

KennethC said:

I think this would be a great study to do and a great OP.

KennethC · Jan 17, 2016

Euphemia said:

I don't think Jesus and the original Apostles would agree with you on the bold.........

Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

John 15:20
Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his Lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also.

Peter- crucified upside down

Paul- beheaded

Matthew- slain by a halberd

John- exiled on Patmos

James- put to deat by the sword by Herod Agrippa ( Acts 12:2 )

Andrew- crucified by Roman Governor, Aegeas( Aegeates )
{ bound not nailed to cross to prolong suffering }

Bartholomew- beaten with rods and then beheaded

James, son of Alpheus- beaten, stoned, then clubbed to death

Thomas- thrust through with spears, tortured with red hot plates, and then burned alive.

Philip- tortured, stoned, crucified upside down

Simon- crucified and/or sawed in half

Judas Thaddeus- beaten to death in Mesopotamia

Judas- committed suicide for betraying Jesus

Matthias- (replaced Judas) stoned to death

Euphemia · Jan 17, 2016

Men can persecute us, but the devil can't get near people who are speaking in tongues or just in prayer, period! He is confounded and powerless.

KennethC · Jan 17, 2016

Euphemia said:

Apostle Paul said he spoke in tongues more then anybody, yet look at the list he was still beheaded......

That means he had his head cut off, you claimed no harm done to the one's who speak in tongues. Paul's example shows we can still be harmed rather we speak in tongues or not !!!

Euphemia · Jan 17, 2016

KennethC said:

One of God's promises is persecution. He doesn't promise to remove it from us. He promises that we can endure it IN HIS STRENGTH. That is NOT what I am talking about.

I am talking about how people claim that the devil can get in there and distort the gift when the people of God are employing them. He is too repulsed by that. He is far from a church that is enjoying the true manifestation of the presence of God!

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KennethC · Jan 17, 2016

Euphemia said:

That is not at all what you just said, you said no harm can come to one who speaks in tongues.

Here is your quote:

Where Holy Spirit is welcome and the word of God is preached, the enemy cannot even get close enough to do any harm. He is repelled by people who know who they are in Christ and know WHOSE they are and obey the word. You are only fomenting fear, and that comes from a denominational influence and poor teaching.

You said clearly here that no harm can be done to us, but I showed you by two scriptures from Jesus and the outcomes of the lives of the original Apostles to show that is not true.

It is false teaching that says we can not be harmed.........

Who do you think all the people is in Revelation during the Tribulation period that the beast/man of sin/anti-christ is killing ???

It does not say these are unbelieving Jews only, it clearly shows believers in Christ as well !!!

The devil does mock God and His ways, what makes you think he is not going to distort the gift of tongues to make people follow a false version of tongues ???

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