The neo-Gnostic spirit of New.Modern.Hyper Grace
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Hebrews 10 is referring to the day of atonement in which Israel's sins were forgiven for the year. Forgiveness did not occur until the goat's blood was taken behind the veil and sprinkled on the mercy seat. Christ's death was once for all time, but forgiveness didn't occur until he took his blood into heaven to present to GOD. And there it is right now providing freedom and cleansing from sin. He doesn't have to die again because he lives forever as a high priest making reconciliation for the people with his own blood.
The idea that sins not yet committed were forgiven in the past is not biblical. However, a high priest currently abiding in the holy place making reconciliation for his people's sins in the here-and-now is very much biblical.
The idea that sins not yet committed were forgiven in the past is not biblical. However, a high priest currently abiding in the holy place making reconciliation for his people's sins in the here-and-now is very much biblical.
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Because if our behavior jeopardized salvation we would have clear, no non-sense,unambiguous language that told us that. It is putting a believer who is a part of His body in the Lake of fire for all eternity. BIG, MAJOR,consequences. God, who is just and righteous would not leave His Children in some constant state of confusion pertaining to His salvation.
Eternal life is a gift.
His gifts are IRREVOCABLE.
If we could lose salvation our God, the Lord Jesus Christ who is JUST and RIGHTEOUS would PLAINLY tell us we could lose eternal life, lose salvation, His gift is revocable.
And He NEVER tells us this.
but the pharisees of old would tell us this.
Eternal life is a gift.
His gifts are IRREVOCABLE.
If we could lose salvation our God, the Lord Jesus Christ who is JUST and RIGHTEOUS would PLAINLY tell us we could lose eternal life, lose salvation, His gift is revocable.
And He NEVER tells us this.
but the pharisees of old would tell us this.
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I go for what is called perseverence of the Saints.... 
and I can still call hyper grace in error
and I can still call hyper grace in error
One says you really weren't saved because you didn't persevere in your "fruit" or "good works"
And the other just says you lost your salvation because you didn't persevere in your "fruit" or "good works"
Its just a matter of semantics, in reality they both say the exact same thing.
Eternal security is the preservation of the saints..............all are going no matter what.
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Hi Gr9grce
I think you will find your information erroneous, you do know Romans 8:30? you are just publically showing your ignorance. Thats ok though.
I think you will find your information erroneous, you do know Romans 8:30?
you are just publically showing your ignorance. Thats ok though.
Not to heaven or hell. We make the willful choice to believe or not.
If 2 Timothy 2 is meaning what you think it means, then how did Peter end up being an apostle?
We endure because at the New Birth, Christ is IN us - that is why when we are unfaithful, He is faithful - He cannot deny Himself - we are ONE with Him. If we died with Him . . . then we will also live with Him . . . the New Birth - New Life - New Creation.
Again, we always need to remember Who Jesus is, what He came to do, what that actually accomplished, and who we are in Him. Through that lens interpreting seemingly contradictory passages is a lot easier.
-JGIG
We endure because at the New Birth, Christ is IN us - that is why when we are unfaithful, He is faithful - He cannot deny Himself - we are ONE with Him. If we died with Him . . . then we will also live with Him . . . the New Birth - New Life - New Creation.
20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” (from Galatians 2)
Again, we always need to remember Who Jesus is, what He came to do, what that actually accomplished, and who we are in Him. Through that lens interpreting seemingly contradictory passages is a lot easier.
-JGIG