The 1 John 1:9 Lie: More New.Modern.Hyper Grace blasphemy

[JGIG]

IMO of course not. We are members of the covenant that guarantees forgiveness of sin. GOD is faithful to his covenant when we aren't. But he does have his limits. What those are, no man knows (except for blatant denial). That's why it's prudent to fear GOD.

God has His limits?

20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (from Romans 5)​

There is one boundary. You're either in Christ or in Adam. Grace is not extended to those in Adam and then rescinded from those who are in Christ.

Not only is Grace hyper, but Grace reigns through righteousness through Jesus Christ our Lord!

-JGIG

 

[Willie-T]

I'm going to have to bow out. This thread is literally moving much faster than I can type, so after I finish a paragraph or two I have two pages to try and catch up.
Besides I think I have said just about everything concerning my stance and from here it is just repeating myself.

............................................Not yet.

 

[royalscot]

Where does it say actions of the believers is taken away, not the Word of God !!!


1 Thessalonians 5:18
give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.


1 Thessalonians 4:3
It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality;


Hebrews 13:20-21
May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, equip you with everything good for doing His will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.


1 Peter 2:15
For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.


Ephesians 5:15-20
Be very careful, then, how you live--not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is. Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

acts 2 no gentiles there. so what is your point.

define sexual immorality;

 

[KennethC]

what about acts 15,
so you can read the bible, yet here you are tell me, moral law , walking in morral law did it save , no your trying to walk morral because you except gods grace. so context out. again.

still standing ,
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Your repeating yourself and adding false allegations on top of it !!!

Acts 15 was answered, and nobody not even me said I am saved by walking in God's morals. That is the false assumption you made as that walking in His morals are proof of one who is saved in Christ, not what does the saving.

 

[BenFTW]

Your repeating yourself and adding false allegations on top of it !!!

Acts 15 was answered, and nobody not even me said I am saved by walking in God's morals. That is the false assumption you made as that walking in His morals are proof of one who is saved in Christ, not what does the saving.

Fruit Inspectors, inc.

 

[KennethC]

acts 2 no gentiles there. so what is your point.

define sexual immorality;

Your the one who mentioned God's will and no action of the believer, not me !!!

I showed you multiple scriptures shows God's will is done in the actions of the believers, and as for sexual immorality that is anything done sexually that is not allowed by the Word of God such as: adultery, fornication, homosexuality, sex abuse, and the like............

 

[peacefulbeliever]

The religious spirit behind it, in the form of asking for forgiveness that Jesus already purchased by His sacrifice. One is an acknowledgement of something done wrong and the other is a pleading for forgiveness already granted. The difference is when that sin confession becomes religious by nature and becomes the grounds by which you are secure. It is finding comfort and assurance in something other than Jesus, Himself. That's all... and if that isn't your issue, awesome. Continue to be open with your heavenly Father.

It is finding comfort and assurance in something other than Jesus, Himself. - So by going to the Father and saying I am sorry is not finding comfort and assurance in Jesus? It is Jesus who intercedes on my behalf and it is Jesus who stands as my advocate but I am not seeking my comfort and assurance in Jesus? . . . I don't know if I like the word "pleading" either for that sounds as if I am begging for forgiveness - that is not the case . . . Oh, LOL, I guess this isn't my issue then!

 

[KennethC]

Fruit Inspectors, inc.

Have to go, but do you really think one who is walking in a hateful and unforgiving demeanor is in Christ and thus saved ???

 

[BenFTW]

It is finding comfort and assurance in something other than Jesus, Himself. - So by going to the Father and saying I am sorry is not finding comfort and assurance in Jesus? It is Jesus who intercedes on my behalf and it is Jesus who stands as my advocate but I am not seeking my comfort and assurance in Jesus? . . . I don't know if I like the word "pleading" either for that sounds as if I am begging for forgiveness - that is not the case . . . Oh, LOL, I guess this isn't my issue then!

I don't think it is. Though there are some who are religious about it and it becomes oppressive.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I'm going to have to bow out. This thread is literally moving much faster than I can type, so after I finish a paragraph or two I have two pages to try and catch up.
Besides I think I have said just about everything concerning my stance and from here it is just repeating myself.

Hey, we are in agreement on that brother. I must be getting old or sumptin'....my eyes begin to cross after a while.

 

[JGIG]

Isn't it a treasure that we're 100 posts into this thread and no one has dared to refute the OP, except for one post that attempted to by begging the question (based on a misunderstanding of other scripture verses)?

I thought I wrote this here, but I didn't:


1 John 1 is not describing a believer - John is talking to unbelievers there, and fellowship that he's talking about is fellowship with believers - that unbelievers don't have unless they come into Christ!John isn't saying that if a believer sins they lose fellowship with God.

When John uses the term, 'we' in chapter 1, it's a polite way of speaking to unbelievers - we've all been where they are - we've all had to acknowledge our sin and confess - agree with God - our sinful state and our need for Christ and His Work. And when we do (did), we are (were - an accomplished fact) forgiven and cleansed. He is faithful to forgive us of all of our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness \o/. There is no caveat there that indicates 'until we sin again'.

It is at that point that we go from walking in the dark to walking in the light. John uses those terms interchangeably with death and life - it's his style of writing. We don't go back and forth from light to dark and back to light again based on our confession and further forgiveness of sins. All of our sins were dealt with at the Cross. We have entered into life.

And then after John wraps up the first chapter, he addresses the Body of Christ, "My little children . . . "

Not complicated, really.

-JGIG

 

[royalscot]

Your repeating yourself and adding false allegations on top of it !!!

Acts 15 was answered, and nobody not even me said I am saved by walking in God's morals. That is the false assumption you made as that walking in His morals are proof of one who is saved in Christ, not what does the saving.

Originally Posted by KennethC

Yes walking by the Spirit, because the fruit of the Holy Spirit will not lead one to transgress against God's ways.

However there will be some that will continue to live by the flesh, and these are still held under the law and its condemnation !!!



sin needs a law, yet you dont have one. .29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. , your miss quote holds you in condemnation.


4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free

 

[Willie-T]

Have to go, but do you really think one who is walking in a hateful and unforgiving demeanor is in Christ and thus saved ???

Careful! You (or, "a person, so speaking") are excluding just about every single person who posts in this forum........ with the exception of, maybe, Melita.

 

[royalscot]

Your the one who mentioned God's will and no action of the believer, not me !!!

I showed you multiple scriptures shows God's will is done in the actions of the believers, and as for sexual immorality that is anything done sexually that is not allowed by the Word of God such as: adultery, fornication, homosexuality, sex abuse, and the like............

ware in the law or fruits of the spirit are these.

1 Corinthians 5: Sexual Immorality Defiles the Church
1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife.

if this is the template ware did you get the rest from. is any quote will do with you. or what.

 

[JGIG]

Nope . . . My position within the household of God is that of a daughter.

My relationship with my Father and with the Son can be fractured by my WALK. God is light and in him is no darkness at all - light does not have fellowship with darkness - our fellowship is our relationship with the Father and the Son and to keep that relationship in perfect harmony - there can be no darkness. (Please note that I am not talking about salvation.)

John, however, is. If there is darkness (sin) in you, there can be no relationship with God. That's the point. We have to be cleansed, filled, and sealed for there to be relationship with God, and that's what we have in Christ.

Let me use this as an example - I do something that I haven't discussed with my husband and in the back of my mind I know he won't be too pleased so I just don't tell him. But he finds out - our relationship is fractured - what was once in perfect harmony I messed up by doing something I knew I shouldn't. In order to mend our relationship, I need to acknowledge that what I did was wrong and ask his forgiveness so that we once again live in perfect harmony.

You're describing this:

16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective. (from James 5)
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I was still married even though I did something wrong and if I had died, I would have still been his wife . . . in my relationship with God - I may do something wrong but I am still his daughter and if I should die - I am still his daughter.

It's apples and oranges. God painted a very clear picture of how sin defiled the Temple and the consequences of that in the Old Covenant. He will not reside in the same place where sin is. Sin does not just require an 'I'm sorry, please forgive me', it requires a death and blood. Those things were provide for in Christ, once for all.

The Bible does not say that the wages of sin is lost fellowship; the Bible says that the wages of sin is death.

And unless all of our sins were dealt with at the Cross, we 1) drift from life to death with each and every sin, no matter how small or big, and 2) to restore life requires a blood sacrifice, and there is no more sacrifice for sins - Jesus did it once for all.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

It is finding comfort and assurance in something other than Jesus, Himself. - So by going to the Father and saying I am sorry is not finding comfort and assurance in Jesus? It is Jesus who intercedes on my behalf and it is Jesus who stands as my advocate but I am not seeking my comfort and assurance in Jesus? . . . I don't know if I like the word "pleading" either for that sounds as if I am begging for forgiveness - that is not the case . . . Oh, LOL, I guess this isn't my issue then!

I think if you spend some time really evaluating the Truths about what was actually accomplished by Christ for your salvation, and I've seen enough of what you've posted to believe you have a good handle on that, you will find that in practice your position is rather close to what we've been saying .

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

So you believe that we must receive daily forgiveness for already forgiven sin?

Um, you're going to have to provide contextual Scripture to show us that.

Where does Scripture say that you're forgiven and unforgiven at the same time???

-JGIG

We have been forgiven 'objectively'...I picture this as a diamond in the rough when we come to Christ.
Then we receive daily washings of forgiveness as God polishes us as the diamond.
It's both, and in Scripture 'both' often makes little sense to the natural mind, just as many have trouble with Jesus being both 100% God and 100% man.

So you're basing your position on this topic on what you picture, not on what Scripture actually says.

I asked you where the Scripture was that says you're forgiven and unforgiven (needing forgiveness) at the same time.

If you want to believe what you wrote above, that's your right, but it's not based on what Scripture actually says, it's based on what you picture.

-JGIG

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I thought I wrote this here, but I didn't:


1 John 1 is not describing a believer - John is talking to unbelievers there, and fellowship that he's talking about is fellowship with believers - that unbelievers don't have unless they come into Christ!John isn't saying that if a believer sins they lose fellowship with God.

When John uses the term, 'we' in chapter 1, it's a polite way of speaking to unbelievers - we've all been where they are - we've all had to acknowledge our sin and confess - agree with God - our sinful state and our need for Christ and His Work. And when we do (did), we are (were - an accomplished fact) forgiven and cleansed. He is faithful to forgive us of all of our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness \o/. There is no caveat there that indicates 'until we sin again'.

It is at that point that we go from walking in the dark to walking in the light. John uses those terms interchangeably with death and life - it's his style of writing. We don't go back and forth from light to dark and back to light again based on our confession and further forgiveness of sins. All of our sins were dealt with at the Cross. We have entered into life.

And then after John wraps up the first chapter, he addresses the Body of Christ, "My little children . . . "

Not complicated, really.

-JGIG

If he were talking to unbelievers - it seems he would have reiterated Romans 10:9,10 confess Jesus as Lord and believe in their hearts that God raised him from the dead and they would be saved . . . or . . . Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. - I don't recall having to confess sins unto righteousness. Oh, John did baptize in the Jordan with the people confessing their sins - Mark 1:5; and Matt. 3:6.

 

[royalscot]

Have to go, but do you really think one who is walking in a hateful and unforgiving demeanor is in Christ and thus saved ???

Matthew 7: Judging Others
1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
6 "Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

you claim to know fruits , are your having a laugh.

if they are not, then why, should we listen to you. when did your words save anyone.

2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh Galatians 3

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Oppps..gave the wrong one out..thanks Kenneth..


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