Are women allowed to Preach?

[Grace777x70]

I agree with you on the cultural aspects of this scripture.


One thing I noticed in studying that in Ephesians 5:22 and in 5:21 are the same Greek word....in essence the man is to be "subject" to the woman just as the woman is to the man.....now what does the word "subject" actually mean?..that's another topic..

Ephesians 5:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

Ephesians 5:20-21 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;
[SUP]21 [/SUP] and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ.

Did you miss the part in my post that talked about the culture in Ephesus, and the private letter Paul wrote to Timothy to help him deal with the situation?

Of course women are not to domineer over men. But neither are men to domineer women! Yes, Paul tells Timothy to NOT allow women to dominate. But that was with regards to a specific situation, which is why Paul addressed the letter to the young leader, Timothy. He did not address this in his letters which were passed around to be read openly to all the congregations in Asia Minor.

Therefore, not universal but cultural!

 

[KJV1611]

Pretty clear here isn't it?

1 Timothy 2:11-14 KJV
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

 

[JaumeJ]

Not only was Deborah a judge, she was also a prophetess. This is not to mention Mariam and Hassada Essther.

 

[tourist]

Women are allowed to preach in church but playing music in church with an instrument is prohibited by law.

 

[Grace777x70]

Lol..and "if" they wear pants while playing a musical instrument in church...what happens to them then?

Women are allowed to preach in church but playing music in church with an instrument is prohibited by law.

 

[Stephen63]

Continue to attack the KJV, but God always sees that His word is honored. Can you please give us a Bible that we can trust every word to be right.

The KJV has more than "mistakes" in it..... Due to the Bishop of Canterbury's heretical influence it leans heavily toward a man domineered society that mistranslates names as well as falsely proclaiming "authoritative positions" in the church. The KJV paints "overseer" as a position of authority when spiritual "oversight" is the actual idea. "Bishop" is simply added on purpose because there's no word for it.

The KJV is mostly a copy of the Bishop's Bible, which was also heretically tainted by the Bishop of Canterbury.

Mark 10:42-45 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. [SUP]43 [/SUP]But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: [SUP]44 [/SUP]And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. [SUP]45 [/SUP]For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Galatians 5:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

If this scripture would be applied to the KJV, it would have to be thrown out altogether.

BTW, ever noticed how many denominations are using the title "bishop" today as an authoritative position? It's increased substantially over the past 40 yeas or so.

 

[Stephen63]

So Paul Might be saying that women should not domineer men in the local assembly. And teaching should be with authority.

Not convinced for me.

Paul absolutely does not allow woman to have authority or maybe domineer over men. And true bible doctrine is with authority.

ouk~~Strong negative. Paul ABSOLUTELY does not allow a woman to have authority, or in your words, domineer over a man.........And true bible doctrine is taught with authority or dominance with the man who has the gift.

NO domineering is allowed in scripture..... in the marriage, family, or in the church. Ephesus was a city steeped in female god worship, with women holding positions of spiritual authority. Paul was instructing Timothy on how to deal with female converts from this system.

 

[tourist]

Lol..and "if" they wear pants while playing a musical instrument in church...what happens to them then?

They have to pay their tithes.

 

[coby]

Pretty clear here isn't it?

1 Timothy 2:11-14 KJV
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Lol one guy said: Women? Silent? That's impossible.

 

[John146]

The KJV has more than "mistakes" in it..... Due to the Bishop of Canterbury's heretical influence it leans heavily toward a man domineered society that mistranslates names as well as falsely proclaiming "authoritative positions" in the church. The KJV paints "overseer" as a position of authority when spiritual "oversight" is the actual idea. "Bishop" is simply added on purpose because there's no word for it.

The KJV is mostly a copy of the Bishop's Bible, which was also heretically tainted by the Bishop of Canterbury.

Mark 10:42-45 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. [SUP]43 [/SUP]But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: [SUP]44 [/SUP]And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. [SUP]45 [/SUP]For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Galatians 5:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

If this scripture would be applied to the KJV, it would have to be thrown out altogether.

BTW, ever noticed how many denominations are using the title "bishop" today as an authoritative position? It's increased substantially over the past 40 yeas or so.

I'm not sure why you're having a problem with this passage. Jesus is explaining the difference in the kind of leadership he that the Gentiles desire and the kind of leadership He desires for His people.

Bishop is a biblical term for pastor. Why do you have a problem with the word bishop?

Tell me then, where can I find the perfect, preserved word of God? I don't want a good translation. I want THEE words of God. If I don't have the perfect, preserved words of God, then I have no defense against a godless world. The KJV is the only Bible that has and will stand the test of time. All others will pass away.

 

[JaumeJ]

This image depicts how many people should conduct themselves in public, mostly men....they tend to talk the most in public.

Lol one guy said: Women? Silent? That's impossible.

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[Grace777x70]

Oh...and "IF" not..the earth will open up and swallow them!...well that's better then us having to burn them at the stake...

They have to pay their tithes.

 

[JaumeJ]

I poste Hassadah, I believe it should read Hadassah.........bbl.


..............miss me? Yes, Hadassah.

 

[Stephen63]

I'm not sure why you're having a problem with this passage. Jesus is explaining the difference in the kind of leadership he that the Gentiles desire and the kind of leadership He desires for His people.

Bishop is a biblical term for pastor. Why do you have a problem with the word bishop?

Tell me then, where can I find the perfect, preserved word of God? I don't want a good translation. I want THEE words of God. If I don't have the perfect, preserved words of God, then I have no defense against a godless world. The KJV is the only Bible that has and will stand the test of time. All others will pass away.

1 Timothy 3:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do.

1 Timothy 3:1 (NLT)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]This is a trustworthy saying: “If someone aspires to be an elder, he desires an honorable position.”

During the time of writing the KJV, the term bishop was used in the RCC & the church of England as a position of political & spiritual power. It had NOTHING to do with the Greek word for OVERSEER, which is the proper translation. EVEN the New Living Translation, which is a paraphrase & not a translation, has it correct.

The placing of "bishop" is purposely deceitful, totally changing the meaning of the scripture.

OVERSEER is a position of spiritual oversight to teach true doctrine & keep it pure. IT IS NOT A POSITION OF POWER.

The only position of power is JESUS CHRIST, the Head of the Church!

 

[John146]

1 Timothy 3:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do.

1 Timothy 3:1 (NLT)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]This is a trustworthy saying: “If someone aspires to be an elder, he desires an honorable position.”

During the time of writing the KJV, the term bishop was used in the RCC & the church of England as a position of political & spiritual power. It had NOTHING to do with the Greek word for OVERSEER, which is the proper translation. EVEN the New Living Translation, which is a paraphrase & not a translation, has it correct.

The placing of "bishop" is purposely deceitful, totally changing the meaning of the scripture.

OVERSEER is a position of spiritual oversight to teach true doctrine & keep it pure. IT IS NOT A POSITION OF POWER.

The only position of power is JESUS CHRIST, the Head of the Church!

The word of God is never wrong. The word bishop is correct. The RCC corrupted the term and the leadership of a bishop. A bishop's job is to oversee the affairs of the church body. That's the way the Bible has defined it. It's more than an elder.

 

[Stephen63]

The word of God is never wrong. The word bishop is correct. The RCC corrupted the term and the leadership of a bishop. A bishop's job is to oversee the affairs of the church body. That's the way the Bible has defined it. It's more than an elder.

I see you're sticking to your King James guns..... 'nuff said.

 

[Grace777x70]

In the scripture below we have all 3 names given..elders, shepherd and bishop.....they are all the same person..just that it is describing different functions within themselves as elders..like title, role, office..

1 Peter 5:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, I exhort the elders ( word for elder ) among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] shepherd ( word for pastor ) the flock of God among you, exercising oversight ( word for bishop ) not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] nor yet as lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock.

 

[pwrnJC]

tourist...

Let me share an experience with you, regarding music and instruments please....
I am a keyboardist and was in a local gospel group. In my town, the lead singer of my gospel group was employed under this awesome outgoing friendly jewish boss. He contracted terminal cancer. His dying request was that my gospel group perform and sing at his funeral..and even had it put in his will. His family was very close to our group and they joyfully honored their father's request and our Gospel Group was added to the funeral procession and the printed program for the funeral. The man was very popular in our area and the Funeral drew a large crowd of people. My singing group arrived early at the synagogue to set up and practice some of the pre-selected songs. Just as we started to practice, a jewish rabbi walked in and got very upset. He demanded that we do not perform. We introduced ourselves and showed him the printed funeral arrangements with our name and slot mentioned as part of the program. He was incensed and said "Well then, this is NOT acceptable. You will have to hide behind the curtain here, and your music instruments will have to not be seen. There is just no way that the people will know that you are here!" In short, we squeezed our group of 7 people, drums, piano, bass and lead guitars, harmonica, and tamborine in a dark corner, completely blocked by a black veil. Mourners were to be 'fooled' that this was piped in music, and not live! King David himself advocated musical instruments, having two rooms in the TEMPLE set aside just for instruments for praise and worship....what happened between now and then?

 

[John146]

In the scripture below we have all 3 names given..elders, shepherd and bishop.....they are all the same person..just that it is describing different functions within themselves as elders..like title, role, office..

1 Peter 5:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, I exhort the elders ( word for elder ) among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] shepherd ( word for pastor ) the flock of God among you, exercising oversight ( word for bishop ) not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] nor yet as lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock.

Again, there's a difference in the KJV. The term elder is referring to an older, more mature person. Verse 5 describes the younger crowd.

 

[Grace777x70]

So..i Acts 14:23 they were "ordained as being mature..??.. " I now pronounce thyself as being matureth.."

An elder is the same thing as a pastor or a bishop..IMO.. an elder should be "mature '..but not in age only but in growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord.

One can be an elder in age in the church for 50 years but still be a baby Christian but these are separate from the "Elders" in church government and overseeing the affairs of the local body of believers...

( I stay away from the 1611 KJV as much as possible )

Acts 14:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

Acts 20:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.