The Gospel of Grace - Boasting in God and His Gospel (Another Hyper-Grace Thread)
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FreeNChrist
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There is a delusion, that grace has not been preached since Christ rose? It has but in proper balance with obedience and walking.
The problem with not answering theological or logical constructs of models, is you actually accept defeat.
I am happy that you capitulate so easily, but I know that actually you just do not know how to answer, because the process of answering will change your experience, which you literally refuse to do.
It is this kind of rebellion that keeps you imprisoned in your lives and thought processes.
This is not what Jesus called us to face in "I am the truth"
Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
Mark 13:11
No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.
Matt 22:46
Be careful who you are arguing against. If it is the word of the Lord, take heart and listen, for He means you no harm.
The problem with not answering theological or logical constructs of models, is you actually accept defeat.
I am happy that you capitulate so easily, but I know that actually you just do not know how to answer, because the process of answering will change your experience, which you literally refuse to do.
It is this kind of rebellion that keeps you imprisoned in your lives and thought processes.
This is not what Jesus called us to face in "I am the truth"
Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
Mark 13:11
No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.
Matt 22:46
Be careful who you are arguing against. If it is the word of the Lord, take heart and listen, for He means you no harm.
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
1 Tim 4:1-2
Does your conscience matter? Above everything else your conscience is you barometer of where you stand.
Jesus cleanses our consciences of the stain of sin.
Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:22
I speak the truth in Christ – I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit –
Rom 9:1
Your conscience is your barometer of how you are walking with Jesus.
Paul was very conscious of the importance of adjusting your behaviour not to upset the conscience of another christian.
When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
1 Cor 8:12
Any teacher or person sharing which down plays or condemns listening to your conscience is as Paul would describe
"Such teachings come through hypocritical liars."
He links such ideas to "deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."
Look into the spiritual background of such people and their emphasis is very much on visions, spiritual encounters with beings other than the Holy Spirit, and doctrines and ideas spoken from these spiritual sources.
1 Tim 4:1-2
Does your conscience matter? Above everything else your conscience is you barometer of where you stand.
Jesus cleanses our consciences of the stain of sin.
Let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:22
I speak the truth in Christ – I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit –
Rom 9:1
Your conscience is your barometer of how you are walking with Jesus.
Paul was very conscious of the importance of adjusting your behaviour not to upset the conscience of another christian.
When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
1 Cor 8:12
Any teacher or person sharing which down plays or condemns listening to your conscience is as Paul would describe
"Such teachings come through hypocritical liars."
He links such ideas to "deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."
Look into the spiritual background of such people and their emphasis is very much on visions, spiritual encounters with beings other than the Holy Spirit, and doctrines and ideas spoken from these spiritual sources.
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chancer
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POO! ... Legalism is like poo ... when you step in it, you can smell it 10 feet away, and you wont step in it again ... goodbye 
Guess you missed the bit about me agreeing with most of your above post. Can't win with you, Pete.
Yes, accepted sinner by sinner, turning them into believers.
Christ's Blood, however, was ENOUGH to take away not only our (believers') sins, but the sins of the whole world:
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. (from 1 John 2)
He washes you clean because of His MERCY. You enter into what He has done by faith.
Starting again to sound like one of those dasterdly Hyper-Gracers . . .
You're almost there. We aren't under the Law because we are righteous in Christ, not because we fulfill the Law. We are not condemned by the Old Covenant because we have entered into the New Covenant by faith.
And here you go off the rails - the punchline attempting to misrepresent the Grace position once again. You attempt also to avoid slander by saying 'it appears', but your intent is clear. And it's still slander
. Or maybe just gossip. Hmmm . . . is there much difference, really?I didn't create anything. The Gospel is simple and straightforward - so that a child can understand.
Both my spirit and my soul are content being in Christ, my Rock and my Redeemer \o/!
-JGIG
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Gr8grace
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Guess you missed the bit about me agreeing with most of your above post. Can't win with you, Pete.
Yes, accepted sinner by sinner, turning them into believers.
Christ's Blood, however, was ENOUGH to take away not only our (believers') sins, but the sins of the whole world:
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. (from 1 John 2)
He washes you clean because of His MERCY. You enter into what He has done by faith.
Starting again to sound like one of those dasterdly Hyper-Gracers . . .
You're almost there. We aren't under the Law because we are righteous in Christ, not because we fulfill the Law. We are not condemned by the Old Covenant because we have entered into the New Covenant by faith.
And here you go off the rails - the punchline attempting to misrepresent the Grace position once again. You attempt also to avoid slander by saying 'it appears', but your intent is clear. And it's still slander
I didn't create anything. The Gospel is simple and straightforward - so that a child can understand.
Both my spirit and my soul are content being in Christ, my Rock and my Redeemer \o/!
-JGIG
What can I say? You got it going on Sister. Blessing to have you here.
This is why I like CC. go to any other forum and we may find one or two grace believers and they are warned and on the verge of being banned.
Grace believers are not the majority here, but there are quite a few. Nice to see, I haven't found it to be that way in any other forums. The Grace believers are the first to get the boot and lucky if there are 1 or 2.
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KennethC
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Good verse, but it only applies to those who believe in Jesus.........
It does not apply to the unbelievers and disobedient or you make a contradiction in the word, because that is exactly what Gods wrath and the judgment after the 2nd Resurrection is about. Plus that is a bad translation because the original says "apart from sin" not "not to deal with sin."