WHERE DO YOU STAND

[PeterJens]

Religious spirits ALWAYS accuse those who have anything to say about the Holy Spirit
That is why you attack any and all who are either Charasmatic or Pentecostal
You are religious....and you have a religious spirit You bait people until they respond and then you hide behind your phoney religiosity
No one here who has been here any length of time believes the garbage you have spewed off about me
No one

I am not attacking people, I am putting a simple theological points like this one.

Why are we sent to hell? Sin or good deeds.

Do you see the word charismatic, penticostal written here? I am a charismatic and go to a charismatic Baptist church.
There are people here who agree with my theology who also walk in the gifts.

The idea you could be wrong bothers you, because you are never wrong, are you?
Now you are decidely attempting to attack me and accuse me of anything you can. This happens to anyone who has been hurt. I am sure you want to really hurt me. As I would say to my kids, do your worst? Oh you have already.

Now this is real life and I know what you are doing, that is why it does not work.
I wonder what you believe about Hell and why people are sent there? Or is this a private belief you cannot share?

 

[Grace777x70]

I don't...either

Religious spirits ALWAYS accuse those who have anything to say about the Holy Spirit

That is why you attack any and all who are either Charasmatic or Pentecostal

You are religious....and you have a religious spirit You bait people until they respond and then you hide behind your phoney religiosity

No one here who has been here any length of time believes the garbage you have spewed off about me

No one

 

[ladylynn]

................................................I don't.

I don't believe things Peter says either. For the first time I just read his link to a blog about what he thinks about what I believe. I didn't know there was a blog??! And he is allllllll wrong but he still has a blog here about those he calls hyper grace people. It is very wrong to make it a calling to take other Christians down here on CC. Very very wrong. ember, you should not leave because of what he has said. He is wrong about many of us so you are just added to the number.

 

[PeterJens]

I don't believe things Peter says either. For the first time I just read his link to a blog about what he thinks about what I believe. I didn't know there was a blog??! And he is allllllll wrong but he still has a blog here about those he calls hyper grace people. It is very wrong to make it a calling to take other Christians down here on CC. Very very wrong. ember, you should not leave because of what he has said. He is wrong about many of us so you are just added to the number.

You guys are not very good with religion or discussions about faith and foundations.

If you spend years discussing faith with non-christians, funnily the actual faith you believe in becomes very important.
You get to break down concepts to their most basic points and build them up again. It takes time and effort, and can be hard for people to come to terms with the implications.

Now I am sorry if you confuse what you believe personally with a theological position. It is how you work from a belief system back to your own position that matters. If you do not do this you can end up like Jim Jones and his church.

Now the guys pushing this new theology are masters at propoganda and nudging things along. It does not matter one bit, because the Lord always works His truth and way through. Now if you say I am wrong, then you need to correct me and show me through discussion and debate. This is how we ground our faith and how we preach it.

It is almost as if you guys do not have anything proper to preach the way you are so quiet about what you actually believe.

I would suggest it is because you are not actually sure anymore, and that is the problem. It has become so experiential, doctrine takes a back seat and is almost labeled legalist and evil, which I suppose is the final spiritual step in the road you are walking. Or am I wrong?

 

[Willie-T]

You guys are not very good with religion or discussions about faith and foundations.

If you spend years discussing faith with non-christians, funnily the actual faith you believe in becomes very important.
You get to break down concepts to their most basic points and build them up again. It takes time and effort, and can be hard for people to come to terms with the implications.

Now I am sorry if you confuse what you believe personally with a theological position. It is how you work from a belief system back to your own position that matters. If you do not do this you can end up like Jim Jones and his church.

Now the guys pushing this new theology are masters at propoganda and nudging things along. It does not matter one bit, because the Lord always works His truth and way through. Now if you say I am wrong, then you need to correct me and show me through discussion and debate. This is how we ground our faith and how we preach it.

It is almost as if you guys do not have anything proper to preach the way you are so quiet about what you actually believe.

I would suggest it is because you are not actually sure anymore, and that is the problem. It has become so experiential, doctrine takes a back seat and is almost labeled legalist and evil, which I suppose is the final spiritual step in the road you are walking. Or am I wrong?

That's a fact! I'm not good with "Religion", at all.

 

[ladylynn]

Sorry to do this, but from your description I am under the devils authority.
But in Christ have you not victory over the devil, so why would anything I say have any effect on you?

I would suggest you mind is a little carried away with spiritual analogies, and you are in danger of destroying the faith you claim to hold dear. If I remember rightly your "husband" is not like you, or was that ex-husband.

By the way kicking ass on behalf of the hyper-grace community does not actually make you a hero, just a bully boy.

I remember meeting a few muslim "imams" who had written a few books how tried to put everyone right. Did not end very well for them either.

This is wrong to write things about someones personal life (married or not) and post it as if to bring shame or disgrace. This kind of attack causes a person to defend themselves and you who proclaims yourself to be spiritual must cease and desist PeterJ.

I also ask you to stop responding to him ember. You are not alone and I won't stand by and not say anything to this kind of personal attack from Peter., I do stand with you on this matter but you must stop responding to his goading you. I've never reported anyone but I will report Peter for going after a sister this way.

 

[Willie-T]

Pete, you seem to want to make Jesus fit your religious beliefs. Whereas I prefer to follow Jesus away from Religion. That's basically what the disciples did.

 

[PeterJens]

I have another thought.

I am accurately representing what you believe in a negative light so that is evil?

I once had a discussion with a muslim, took the Koran and showed them they were wrong by their own book.
They still called me satan, because I was using truth to prove a point, and they believed it must have been a lie because Muahmmed and their view of faith is the only truth.

Now that is how religion takes over the soul. You are too scared to look at ideas because you do not want to change.
I have been there but Jesus said "I am the truth" Truth can never deny Him. Do you believe Him, the Lord of All or you own faith? If you believe your own faith you have declared yourself purely religious and not a follower of Jesus.

It is that simple. The cross is that brutal, but if you want to know how to walk with Jesus you need to walk like this.
Else all you will be listening to is propoganda and delusion. So which is it?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Pete, you seem to want to make Jesus fit your religious beliefs. Whereas I prefer to follow Jesus away from Religion. That's basically what the disciples did.

And that is your religious belief that you are trying to fit Jesus to.

 

[Willie-T]

And that is your religious belief that you are trying to fit Jesus to.

I'll buy that if it helps you see what I mean.

 

[Grace777x70]

Me either...I am actually trying to get rid of it when I see it !!

That's a fact! I'm not good with "Religion", at all.

 

[PeterJens]

This is wrong to write things about someones personal life (married or not) and post it as if to bring shame or disgrace. This kind of attack causes a person to defend themselves and you who proclaims yourself to be spiritual must cease and desist PeterJ.

I also ask you to stop responding to him ember. You are not alone and I won't stand by and not say anything to this kind of personal attack from Peter., I do stand with you on this matter but you must stop responding to his goading you. I've never reported anyone but I will report Peter for going after a sister this way.

I am sorry, I did think mentioning husband etc might be difficult. But I did not say I knew anything or what the outcome was. I was not bringing anything you imply but that is your reading in.

Now if you are called possessed by an evil spirit of religion, that is the ultimate religious language. But I suppose you all agree with this. Sounds like the pharisees facing off with Jesus. But then Jesus did say expect the same. Do you really want to go here? If this is not a problem to you, then that again speaks to everyone else.

But as I now know the divide and where you guys choose to stand, my enemies will always abuse the things I hold dear.
What did Jesus call those who did this to him? Ember has the venom, maybe you just hide it. You admit you walk in sin and do nothing about it, which is rebellion against God. I think for some this could be guilt complexs but maybe not.

You stand condemned, sinning and not repenting, is a place in the Lord I do not want to be, at any point.

 

[Willie-T]

I have another thought.

I am accurately representing what you believe in a negative light so that is evil?

I once had a discussion with a muslim, took the Koran and showed them they were wrong by their own book.
They still called me satan, because I was using truth to prove a point, and they believed it must have been a lie because Muahmmed and their view of faith is the only truth.

Now that is how religion takes over the soul. You are too scared to look at ideas because you do not want to change.
I have been there but Jesus said "I am the truth" Truth can never deny Him. Do you believe Him, the Lord of All or you own faith? If you believe your own faith you have declared yourself purely religious and not a follower of Jesus.

It is that simple. The cross is that brutal, but if you want to know how to walk with Jesus you need to walk like this.
Else all you will be listening to is propoganda and delusion. So which is it?

This is interesting because most of us have been back there where you insist on squatting, and it is actually US who have changed our thinking over the years, not you. You, yourself, are the one who claims how "new" grace is, so how can we be clinging to an old mindset, refusing to understand living any change in Christ?

 

[PeterJens]

This is interesting because most of us have been back there where you insist on squatting, and it is actually US who have changed our thinking over the years, not you. You, yourself, are the one who claims how "new" grace is, so how can we be clinging to an old mindset, refusing to understand living any change in Christ?

Willie-T - What I am saying is your version of grace is new, not grace is new.

 

[Yet]

◄*Ephesians 6:12

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand
in the evil day, and*having done all, to stand firm.*..

we can never defeat wicked spiritual forces in our own power.....worse, some have fallen and cannot get up...kicking those who are already down and telling them to apply the word without helping to hold up those aching arms...failing to stand beside and help....is akin to leaving wounded on the battlefield for the enemy to desecrate

Are you making a stand to enter in close and battle on behalf of your nation and your brothers and sisters?

The days are shorter. ..don't be a part of the fading light...praise and worship God in the beauty of His holiness ...

Yes i am fighting the good fight to set my brothers and sisters free from a babylonian system of control and witchcraft. From heresy, apostasy, theft, and spiritual prostitution and pimping. Spiritual Malfeasance by spiritual leaders.

Its a lonely tough job. Ask the prophets of old. Ask the NT writers. Ask Christ. Ask the reformers down through the centuries. Ask the rejected and cast out ones of today. And the beat goes on! Somebody praise His matchless Name!

 

[sydlit]

-->When you keep yourself grounded....admit your mistakes in honesty<--
• But still a bit wounded by the lack. But I understand
that's easier to talk about than actually do, no doubt.•
(seen it again recently...pointed out rightly...
and once again, silence, and ignored)

It's a shame how many of us, while newly learning
and struggling to put on the armor against the enemy,
have been assaulted by so-called
'brothers/sisters in Christ',
and now feel the need to always be
'Armored-Up' against 'friend' and foe alike.

This site could have been used for much collective good
for the cause of Christ, (I believe it still can be),
But the petty warring within has negated much of it,
probably to the enemies delight.

There are self-righteous attacks by little generals,
and threads started with a pretense of sincerity,
(And I'm NOT referring to this thread!)
even though the OPer would have an obvious agenda,
and it's not for the good of anyone, and
what's worse, ppl engaging them as though
it's really important to them, all the while being laughed at,
then there are those deciding how others should behave,
like some mother superiors, the back-biting, the gossip, the snooping,
the selectivity when it comes to genuine cares and prayers,
the out-right cold-hearted ignorance and hypocrisy at times
would be almost laughable if it wasn't so destructive.
It hurts us, I know it's hurt me,
and I'm guessing it hurts Jesus as well.

But, I haven't given up yet, though I've been Real close
a couple times, especially lately, and I'm talking Completely,
And no one really knows me or my situation, either.

Nevertheless, the Lord Jesus Christ
does give sustaining grace,
(right now I don't know if I'm pressing
on as much as I'm just hanging in there),
but that has to change within me,
because My Lord deserves better.

And there are some true defenders of the faith here
that take a stand, God Bless You, and Praise the Lord for you.
And there are many of us who struggle, with doubts and troubles,
and the Lord understands and so should we. (See Thomas, for one)

But maybe it's time to root out the phonies and hypocrites,
to bring them either to repentence/salvation, (Hallelujah!),
or send them packing, because the Body of Christ needs
more of the unity that Jesus prayed for.

I just think it would be better to see more support
for christians, by christians....on a 'christian' site,
but perhaps I'm wrong, and it's time for me to move on as well.
Sorry for the rant, (may be a bit self-righteous myself?)
I prefer humor, and goodness, and mercy,
and peace and joy and love, (whatever that is)

And pizza.
And ice-cream.
And .......

 

[Willie-T]

Willie-T - What I am saying is your version of grace is new, not grace is new.

Because some guy thought it clever to tack "Hyper" onto God's grace? The religious people hated Grace when Paul taught it 2,000 years ago, and they still do.

A few people take liberties with the freedom Christ bought us, just as a few mire down in Legalism, and you label the Grace I know in Christ as something new and bad? That's a little weak.

You know very well that we have said we try to live right as much, if not sometimes more than some Legalists. Yet you deny that.
You know very well that we say we sin and are sorry when we do. You seem to want to believe we aren't.
You know very well that we confess to God that we sin, and specifically each time we become aware of issues. You say we don't.

We believe the Bible tells us we are perpetually forgiven, and as I have plainly stated, we thank Him all the time for that blessing. You don't believe that way, so you call us liars. That's a little much.

Why do you believe what the authors you glorify say, who knows none of us, and call us liars when we openly tell you the things I just listed?

Do you just need to have a target to vent against?

 

[Yet]

We are never told in the NT the 'Rodney King' line, 'why cant we all just get along.' If that is God's ultimate goal, group hugginess without His standards and truths, then He would have left out 98 percent of the NT. Just put a few lines on a post card.
I hear so much on this site condemning anyone who uses the word of God to correct.
They are a maverick, a spoil sport, a whiner, a bitter baby, a cult, a devil........Wow! ...i think the religious awesome leaders called Christ that!

Jesus was not a Pe We Herman. He confronted satanic instigators, the shepherds, with Force that even John Wayne would cower from.

Have i digressed? Sorry. But lies wont produce genuine group hugs in the ecclesia. Only truth. His truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. And its glorious if we'd just try it....His way!

 

[ember]

Hi Lynn

It is the lack of moderation that allows people to do what jens is doing that has caused the problems we have here

No other site allows this type of behavior. ..the TOS here disallow the type of behavior that jens exemplifies yet those rules are not enforced

I think most of us here prefer to 'play nice' but then we have several here, like jens, who have some sort of quirk that lends them to the mistaken belief that God has told them to pony up and crusade at whoever or whatever offends their personal bias

It IS possible to disagree without attacking someone personally but jens is not happy doing that...he has to offend and slander while pretending he has it altogether

I don't pretend and I dont hide behind God

I dont believe God has told me to hurt anyone here...although some may be offended by what I believe that is hardly the same as telling everyone..and I quote...

God TOLD ME to go after you

Which is what jens posted to me some ways back in this thread

jens should not be ignored at this point...he should either apologize and keep his kinky opinions to himself and allow others the expression he appears to believe he alone has the right to or he should be banned

I can say with absolute authority based on Gods word, that Jens has no command from God to slander me or anyone else

Thats just rather sick IMO yet his words reveal the reason he chases me from thread to thread telling others I have a problem...I have ignored him and hoped the mods would tell him to stop as his behavior is against the TOS but maybe its good to have this discussion and make folks aware of his behavior

 

[Grace777x70]

We can put people that continue to slander and have malice on ignore if they don't stop...it's like "dusting off the feet"...and just leave them to the Lord's grace...