False Prophets, False Christs, False Apostles, False Teachers
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An amazing feature of Todd Bentley was the angel Emma.
Then there was angels of wealth, spreading it out in the congregation
Then it is teaching people about the supernatural, astral travel, doing the devils work, but changing the name.
John Wimber is quoted, "When I was with the devil I did the devils work"
Jesus was about sin, the forgiveness of sins and walking in love and righteousness. He taught for 3 years about the morality of walking as He wanted us to walk, being an example, changing peoples minds from power and wealth to integrity, truth and love.
Now look at what this movement is preaching. Power, wealth, health are good, morality does not matter and the supernatural is what you need. Sounds to me like satan has taken over.
How is it that possessions are so common and happening in these groups, where what is of God and what is of satan is difficult to tell apart. Should this not give a clue as to what is really going down.
Then there was angels of wealth, spreading it out in the congregation
Then it is teaching people about the supernatural, astral travel, doing the devils work, but changing the name.
John Wimber is quoted, "When I was with the devil I did the devils work"
Jesus was about sin, the forgiveness of sins and walking in love and righteousness. He taught for 3 years about the morality of walking as He wanted us to walk, being an example, changing peoples minds from power and wealth to integrity, truth and love.
Now look at what this movement is preaching. Power, wealth, health are good, morality does not matter and the supernatural is what you need. Sounds to me like satan has taken over.
How is it that possessions are so common and happening in these groups, where what is of God and what is of satan is difficult to tell apart. Should this not give a clue as to what is really going down.
Oh yes I can "do tongues" very convincingly, and who are you to tell me I can't? I was actually really good at the same kind of "frustrated gibberish" Korn did in their song Twist, and that was way before I was ever saved. I can absolutely "speak in tongues" and even start shaking and getting into it just like you see on TV/in church/or anywhere else this takes place. I can absolutely imitate it good enough to convince anyone that doesn't know I'm faking on purpose, and please don't tell me I can't. That is why I don't put too much stock into this "gift", it's the easiest to fake. Please also understand that I don't condemn it as a whole either, but I don't think getting on TV and putting on a show for all men to see is at all biblical tongues, even if there is a personal prayer language between you and the father. If no one can understand what you're saying then what purpose does it serve other than a personal one. With that said getting up and doing this in front of millions is the same as the "Oh God thank you for not making me like other men" prayer talked about in the bible in my opinion.
Look man you're a good guy, you seem very loving and caring for the most part, and despite some disagreements in theology I doubt there are many here that would question that you love the Lord, but please don't presume to tell me what I can and cannot do, you don't know me well enough and especially just because it goes against what you want ME to believe, or think I should.
K
Very good post !!!
I tried to tell some on here that satan has his ministers to, and that those ministers will mock, ridicule, and have their false versions of the ways of God to fool others.
The out loud babbling (without an interpreter) is nowhere in the Word of God mentioned as a gift of tongues, nor is it done in the proper manner !!!
I tried to tell some on here that satan has his ministers to, and that those ministers will mock, ridicule, and have their false versions of the ways of God to fool others.
The out loud babbling (without an interpreter) is nowhere in the Word of God mentioned as a gift of tongues, nor is it done in the proper manner !!!
I was not aware of this issue in doctrinal terms. Not many christians teach on this particular subject.
I do not believe in "natural inability" and have wondered by the original sin concept came about.
As it appears to be a 100% gnostic view and one taken on by Luther and Calvin from gnostic Augustine, it makes sense.
If you remove the idea that the flesh is totally evil, but it is a choice, things change.
The argument by believers here was not based on theology but there own sense of lostness, and trying to make sin more and more profound and insurmountable. It fits if the early church did not believe this then neither should we.
As with most things heresies tend to spring from the wrong models.
Thanks for the video, I will have to dig deeper to understand more.
I do not believe in "natural inability" and have wondered by the original sin concept came about.
As it appears to be a 100% gnostic view and one taken on by Luther and Calvin from gnostic Augustine, it makes sense.
If you remove the idea that the flesh is totally evil, but it is a choice, things change.
The argument by believers here was not based on theology but there own sense of lostness, and trying to make sin more and more profound and insurmountable. It fits if the early church did not believe this then neither should we.
As with most things heresies tend to spring from the wrong models.
Thanks for the video, I will have to dig deeper to understand more.
Satan was prophesied to be transformed into an angel of light, a false light, just as in the beginning we are given a sign of this in the 2 lights, the lessor light was to rule the night and the children of darkness. Though Satan's false light is the opposite of the True, he will try to deceive people into believing his spirit is the true, by making people believe the lie as Truth.
So all these false signs, false gifts, false healings, false conversions are all really just lies believed upon by those who have been led to believe the lies, that his spirit is the Holy Spirit, when it is not. These are the works of the Devil, and his power, signs and lying wonders being manifest in them that perish.
2 Thessalonians 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
So all these false signs, false gifts, false healings, false conversions are all really just lies believed upon by those who have been led to believe the lies, that his spirit is the Holy Spirit, when it is not. These are the works of the Devil, and his power, signs and lying wonders being manifest in them that perish.
2 Thessalonians 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
okie dokie.....but you cannot speak in tongues like Copleand did..no matter what you believe..he is speaking a language of the spirit by the Holy Spirit within him.....not making it up in a mocking manner....what you are saying you can do is totally different .....a lot of false garbage talk about people in the body of Christ being done here.....but you are free to disparage anyone you choose...God bless you and He has many good gifts for you too!..Seek Him!
Well to be very honest and blunt, what he is doing has NOTHING to do with biblical tongues, and besides that with his "we are gods" teaching strait from the serpents mouth, the boasting about his jets and money, giving false prophecies, and a list of other heresies easily found on YouTube coming out of his own mouth I don't want any part of anything he does, and I know him by his fruit brother. I know you are just trying to be a nice guy and never say anything bad about anyone, which is an admirable trait, but standing behind this snake is a not bringing any glory to the God that I serve, the God of the bible, and I am in no way a god (big or little "g") and neither is Copland. You should use better discernment brother, you can't get much further from the God of the bible than Copeland does, at least judging by his teachings.
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(okie dokie.....but you cannot speak in tongues like Copleand did..no matter what you believe..he is speaking a language of the spirit by the Holy Spirit within him.....not making it up in a mocking manner....what you are saying you can do is totally different .....a lot of false garbage talk about people in the body of Christ being done here.....but you are free to disparage anyone you choose...God bless you and He has many good gifts for you too!..Seek Him!)
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I'm really not a Copeland fan but I don't know who is worse.....The mockers here who say they love the word but want to chop the parts out their minds cannot comprehend or the ones who use YouTube videos as their source for all truth
It's on you tube so it has to be true!
Let's argue about the possibility of megalodon having swallowed Jonah because whales are not fish and any biologist will tell you they have small throats
I mean the Bible does say fish....sharks are fish...so....
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I'm really not a Copeland fan but I don't know who is worse.....The mockers here who say they love the word but want to chop the parts out their minds cannot comprehend or the ones who use YouTube videos as their source for all truth
It's on you tube so it has to be true!
Let's argue about the possibility of megalodon having swallowed Jonah because whales are not fish and any biologist will tell you they have small throats
I mean the Bible does say fish....sharks are fish...so....
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It's always best to use folks with obvious errors in their theology...like we are gods. ...As proof that spirit filled Christians are all whack a doodle
or better yet...we are all demonized like MacArthur states....which explains why he is so self righteous and prideful...He does not need the Holy Spirit
As far as discernment goes...you can't make a point out of rejecting God's gifts and then think He actually gave you one
or better yet...we are all demonized like MacArthur states....which explains why he is so self righteous and prideful...He does not need the Holy Spirit
As far as discernment goes...you can't make a point out of rejecting God's gifts and then think He actually gave you one
Who said YouTube is the source of "all truth"? All I'm saying is there are video's filmed live with these heresies I named coming out of his own mouth. It was him saying "I am a god", do you believe we are gods?
The bible says in Isaiah 43:10 ""You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me",
Deuteronomy 4:35
You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other.
Deuteronomy 32:39
"See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.
Isaiah 41:4
Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD--with the first of them and with the last--I am he."
Isaiah 44:6
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."
Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,
Isaiah 45:6
so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me. I am the LORD, and there is no other.
not "hey all of you are gods too". So who do I believe the bible or Copeland? Who do you believe?
The bible says in Isaiah 43:10 ""You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me",
Deuteronomy 4:35
You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other.
Deuteronomy 32:39
"See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.
Isaiah 41:4
Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD--with the first of them and with the last--I am he."
Isaiah 44:6
"This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."
Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me,
Isaiah 45:6
so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me. I am the LORD, and there is no other.
not "hey all of you are gods too". So who do I believe the bible or Copeland? Who do you believe?
J
You really need to back up a bit there and consider that, if you can call those who have solid, Biblical reasons, as well as the man's own obscene rhetoric and behavior, and others like him; if there are those with discernment (and it doesn't take much!) that see Copeland is a charlatan, then there's the undeniable possibility that, on this basis, the garbage talk is coming from people who are championing charlatans.
Amazing how you say everybody else has a garbage view who disagrees, then "God bless you," what, some cliche you tack on, as a pretense of being charitable, after calling others' real concerns garbage? Only you can call out garbage, then? If it's not your talk, it's garbage talk? If what some of us know to be charlatans are, in fact, just money grubbing con men and women, there is this to consider,
2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
In any case, if somebody's peddling garbage, and somebody comes along and says eat garbage, this could also be garbage talk, royale, you think? People who claim special manifestations of the Holy Spirit, that have their special little denomination that babbles, convulsively rolls on the floor, smacks people on the head or throws jackets at them, has them uncontrollably laughing or walking on all fours on a dog leash, in fits of emotional hysteria with similitude only to lunacy or demon possession, where you can't tell a church service from a riot, incessantly running a carnal pitch for money that goes to mansions, Bentleys, swimming pools and jets, despite scripture warnings, be prepared there are many Christians who, flat out, have a "No thanks!" for you, in fact find it all so fake as to be obscene. Some of us are never going to buy what they're selling. Get used to this and stop trying to sell it to many of us who know what a real man of God is, and is not.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:19-23
Amazing how you say everybody else has a garbage view who disagrees, then "God bless you," what, some cliche you tack on, as a pretense of being charitable, after calling others' real concerns garbage? Only you can call out garbage, then? If it's not your talk, it's garbage talk? If what some of us know to be charlatans are, in fact, just money grubbing con men and women, there is this to consider,
2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
In any case, if somebody's peddling garbage, and somebody comes along and says eat garbage, this could also be garbage talk, royale, you think? People who claim special manifestations of the Holy Spirit, that have their special little denomination that babbles, convulsively rolls on the floor, smacks people on the head or throws jackets at them, has them uncontrollably laughing or walking on all fours on a dog leash, in fits of emotional hysteria with similitude only to lunacy or demon possession, where you can't tell a church service from a riot, incessantly running a carnal pitch for money that goes to mansions, Bentleys, swimming pools and jets, despite scripture warnings, be prepared there are many Christians who, flat out, have a "No thanks!" for you, in fact find it all so fake as to be obscene. Some of us are never going to buy what they're selling. Get used to this and stop trying to sell it to many of us who know what a real man of God is, and is not.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:19-23
