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[KennethC]

Once Saved Always Saved is a True Doctrine. We cannot lose our Salvation based on our sins because we never received Salvation based on us not sinning.

So tell me Kennethc how can we lose our Salvation if its a Gift from God based on Faith from Him and Grace from Him?

We cannot lose our Salvation. BUT, we can lose out on our Rewards in Heaven if we keep on practicing our sins.

Once saved always saved is a misleading term started by Calvin !!!

Eternal security is taught in the bible but it is not taught in the way that Augustine and Calvin taught.

Eternal security only exists in the faith in Christ, outside of Christ there is no security of salvation !!!

Again if you want to place those who are not abiding in Christ as saved and going to receive eternal life then you might as well take and place all unbelievers as saved !!!

Salvation is based on faith in Christ !!!

If the person does not believe in Jesus Christ the Son of God they have no salvation, therefore when one falls away and departs from the faith what state are they in ??? They are no longer in the faith abiding in Christ !!!

 

[JesusIsAll]

Once Saved Always Saved is a True Doctrine. We cannot lose our Salvation based on our sins because we never received Salvation based on us not sinning.

So tell me Kennethc how can we lose our Salvation if its a Gift from God based on Faith from Him and Grace from Him?

We cannot lose our Salvation. BUT, we can lose out on our Rewards in Heaven if we keep on practicing our sins.

Would just slightly differ with your wording "practicing our sins." A Christian isn't without sin, but isn't a practicing sinner, becomes subject to bad conscience and the Lord's discipline, living a course of repentance from the beginning, turning from sin. People grow in their sanctification at different levels, and to different points, but that term "practicing sinner" is one I'd reserve for the unregenerate, not the Christian, as it seems to imply unrepentance is Christian, which is a different matter than imperfection, and being unrepentant is the bane of the fake Christian, without the Holy Spirit, ergo, still a practicing sinner, the old man of the world, going to church to assuage whatever guilt there is.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do not agree with Catholic doctrine so please don't go there, I am always exposing the falsehoods taught in it.

I also do not defend the likes of Olsteen and Oprah, nor do I defend a number of other ministers that teach falsely or live lifestyles that are not acceptable by the Word of God.

Yet you will suffer her fate, Because you carry on her gospel.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Yet you will suffer her fate, Because you carry on her gospel.

Yes, it's the same thing with Catholics, your salvation dependent on the outcome of some race, they often using our Lord's teaching about the time of Jacob's trouble and enduring during the tribulation to mean we're only part saved, depending on what works ensue. It's faulty exegesis which, in the case of Roman Catholicism, was purposely used to enslave men to their works, ritualized system, which serves their power, their pocketbooks. It's exegesis so faulty it makes the Lord's promises to the believer lies, some yoyo unborn again, Indian giver grace and gift of salvation, the Lord inept to save, in the end. Frankly, it's quite senseless and insulting to the Lord, His power and His blood to save, lies, a demonic doctrine, no doubt.

 

[KennethC]

The only one's that is going to suffer is those that believe they are saved but continue to pass false allegations on others !!!

Satan is the false accuser, so that is the camp you are in if you want to continue to pass that false Catholic doctrine on me !!!

 

[Vdp]

Actually Kennethc Salvation is also based on Grace. How can we lose the Grace of God?

You still do not see the Truth. Salvation is not about us and what we do. Its all about what God has already done for us. Yes there are some who lose their Faith but not their Salvation. There is NOTHING we can do to lose our Salvation.

God does not have a check sheet where He checks and unchecks us having Salvation or losing our Salvation over and over again!

You are just like the Catholics who demand we can never know IF we have received Salvation until after we die.

We are not a yo-yo bouncing back and forth on having Salvation and losing Salvation.

Once you receive Salvation you cannot lose it because its a gift from God given to us with no strings attached.

 

[JesusIsAll]

You know how you can tell somebody's bamboozling you? Christianity is all about faith and trust in the Lord, increasing faith and trust, the greatest faith all about the Lord Jesus, knowing the Lord with "epignosis" knowledge and assurance of His truth and faith in His promises, that He is the God that saves the born again. Period.

Whenever there's anybody dragging around dark clouds, with a theology of doubt, of fear, "The Lord said that, BUT..." (who does that sound like?), very simply this is the opposite of faith. And it's the work of the devil. That's the end of the matter, if you were to create 500 more threads of self-righteousness, works, legalisms and DOUBT. Always doubt, the dark river that runs through it, the specialty of the tare, trying to set the focus on me, rather than Thee.

 

[KennethC]

Yes, it's the same thing with Catholics, your salvation dependent on the outcome of some race, they often using our Lord's teaching about the time of Jacob's trouble and enduring during the tribulation to mean we're only part saved, depending on what works ensue. It's faulty exegesis which, in the case of Roman Catholicism, was purposely used to enslave men to their works, ritualized system, which serves their power, their pocketbooks. It's exegesis so faulty it makes the Lord's promises to the believer lies, some yoyo unborn again, Indian giver grace and gift of salvation, the Lord inept to save, in the end. Frankly, it's quite senseless and insulting to the Lord, His power and His blood to save, lies, a demonic doctrine, no doubt.

I have done some in depth study on the end times, you though are following the teachings of men started by the Protestant reformation movement.

This is what is so sad is that a few of you are claiming I follow Catholic doctrine, but you all who follow Protestant doctrine are following more Catholic doctrine then what you claim I am !!!

I am sure you believe the AC is a future Pope...........Started by Protestant (former Catholic's)

I am sure you believe Babylon is the RCC.............Also started by Protestant (former Catholic's)

You follow once saved always saved...........John Calvin a Protestant reformist from the RCC

Catholic church started the two doctrines of eternal security (Augustine in 4th century) and osas (Calvin in 1500's)....


So you who claim a false claim on another for following Catholicism, you are following Catholic teachings yourself !!!

 

[coby]

Once Saved Always Saved is a True Doctrine. We cannot lose our Salvation based on our sins because we never received Salvation based on us not sinning.

So tell me Kennethc how can we lose our Salvation if its a Gift from God based on Faith from Him and Grace from Him?

We cannot lose our Salvation. BUT, we can lose out on our Rewards in Heaven if we keep on practicing our sins.

I learned this too and believed it for many years. Where are the Bible texts to support this doctrine? What about the Bible texts that say the opposite?
You can't simply believe something because it is a doctrin.
I was glad I heard it because I was always doubting my salvation. Now I don't believe it anymore, neither do I doubt my salvation. If you stick to Him it can't go wrong and I can't live without Him.

 

[onlyhope1john316]

Kenneth the world hated our master first and a servant is not great than his master so the world will hate us also.

 

[KennethC]

Actually Kennethc Salvation is also based on Grace. How can we lose the Grace of God?

You still do not see the Truth. Salvation is not about us and what we do. Its all about what God has already done for us. Yes there are some who lose their Faith but not their Salvation. There is NOTHING we can do to lose our Salvation.

God does not have a check sheet where He checks and unchecks us having Salvation or losing our Salvation over and over again!

You are just like the Catholics who demand we can never know IF we have received Salvation until after we die.

We are not a yo-yo bouncing back and forth on having Salvation and losing Salvation.

Once you receive Salvation you cannot lose it because its a gift from God given to us with no strings attached.

First I never said it wasn't about Grace, but in order to be put under God's grace it takes faith in Christ !!!

Second I never said salvation is based on what we do, I said what we do is "proof" of one who is saved in Christ.

Do you really think a person denying to obey Jesus commands or walking in hate is saved ???

I never also said we go in and out of salvation, as that is the false straw-man argument used because they don't understand the difference of a struggling or stumbling Christian and one who has completely fell back to sin !!!

Salvation is based on faith IN Christ, outside of the faith there is no salvation !!!

If you want to place a unbeliever as saved go right on ahead, the bible disagrees though !!!

 

[coby]

Yes, it's the same thing with Catholics, your salvation dependent on the outcome of some race, they often using our Lord's teaching about the time of Jacob's trouble and enduring during the tribulation to mean we're only part saved, depending on what works ensue. It's faulty exegesis which, in the case of Roman Catholicism, was purposely used to enslave men to their works, ritualized system, which serves their power, their pocketbooks. It's exegesis so faulty it makes the Lord's promises to the believer lies, some yoyo unborn again, Indian giver grace and gift of salvation, the Lord inept to save, in the end. Frankly, it's quite senseless and insulting to the Lord, His power and His blood to save, lies, a demonic doctrine, no doubt.

First I read your response to once saved always saved and think: yep exactly, that's it. Kenneth says the same and you accuse him of false doctrin.
I don't get it. I get the impression that you believe the exact same thing.

 

[KennethC]

Kenneth the world hated our master first and a servant is not great than his master so the world will hate us also.

Yes I know and the reason the world hated Jesus is because His ways are not of the world, but the doctrines of now day teaching is infected with worldly teachings.

They even say you can not tell the difference between believers and unbelievers, but that is not what Jesus said !!!

 

[KennethC]

First I read your response to once saved always saved and think: yep exactly, that's it. Kenneth says the same and you accuse him of false doctrin.
I don't get it. I get the impression that you believe the exact same thing.

The funny thing is the eternal security doctrine and the osas doctrine was started by Catholic's !!!

 

[John146]

My salvation is based on the faith OF Christ. Christ's faith never waivers even when my faith waivers, and believe me, it waivers. I will never be able to boast about my abiding in Christ. It's a done deal! Now that I'm in Christ, my destination is settled based on the sole merit of Jesus Christ, not my ability to abide in Him. That's Kingdom of Heaven doctrine. Not rightly dividing the word of truth messes people up.

Do you have eternal security? Peace? How do you know that a year from now, you stop abiding?

My wife's family are Catholic and they do not believe in OSAS. They believe in works til the end.

First I never said it wasn't about Grace, but in order to be put under God's grace it takes faith in Christ !!!

Second I never said salvation is based on what we do, I said what we do is "proof" of one who is saved in Christ.

Do you really think a person denying to obey Jesus commands or walking in hate is saved ???

I never also said we go in and out of salvation, as that is the false straw-man argument used because they don't understand the difference of a struggling or stumbling Christian and one who has completely fell back to sin !!!

Salvation is based on faith IN Christ, outside of the faith there is no salvation !!!

If you want to place a unbeliever as saved go right on ahead, the bible disagrees though !!!

 

[KennethC]

My salvation is based on the faith OF Christ. Christ's faith never waivers even when my faith waivers, and believe me, it waivers. I will never be able to boast about my abiding in Christ. It's a done deal! Now that I'm in Christ, my destination is settled based on the sole merit of Jesus Christ, not my ability to abide in Him. That's Kingdom of Heaven doctrine. Not rightly dividing the word of truth messes people up.

Do you have eternal security? Peace? How do you know that a year from now, you stop abiding?

My wife's family are Catholic and they do not believe in OSAS. They believe in works til the end.

Now your just playing games here because did you know that "OF" or "IN" is not in the original Greek, therefore taking and changing in to of makes no difference.

Nowhere in the bible does it teach "Christ did it all, we do nothing." Nowhere !!!

Yes I do have eternal security right now because I abide in Christ and His teachings, when I walked away awhile back from my teens to 25 years of age I did not !!!

I do have peace because He is working in me to be better and better each day, and I know no matter what I go through now He will get me through it.

I know I will not waiver now because I already hit rock bottom and go through it thanks be to God !!!

It does not matter that Catholic's now don't believe in OSAS, the fact is that both Augustine and Calvin were both Catholic's !!!

 

[onlyhope1john316]

Let me start by saying God is listening and our prayers are our saving Grace! God has spared me.. even saved my life countless times.. Divinely saving my life. Literally miracles that have sustained me time and time again. He has already revealed to me, the only reason i am alive today is because my mother praying for me. He has also answered countless prayers of mine (that cannot be coincidences), even before I gave him my life. That is how much he loves us, while I was his enemy he died for me and saved me and provided for me. The same goes for you to (your name).

Now for the grit of it all... John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” In your heart do you really believe that Jesus is real and he did die for the sins of the world and he was risen again? Yes me too! Awesome. That is a good start but you really think believing that is enough for a righteous God like Jehovah? I never did and here is the truth.. IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO JUST KNOW IT IS TRUE>>> Satan knows it is true but he is not saved! The word believed in this verse is translated from the greek word pisteuo which means "to believe, put one's faith in, trust, with an implication that actions based on that trust may follow." Wow that’s not what i thought originally… how the… you mean… oh yeah… I do mean you have to put the belief in action or it’s not true belief. We must trust God and put our faith and hopes in him for all things. For every aspect of our lives. The sinners pray is no where in the bible you can say it.. but you really gotta live it.

Matt 16:24-26 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone wants to follow in my footsteps he must give up all right to himself, take up his cross and follow me. For the man who wants to save his life will lose it; but the man who loses his life for my sake will find it. For what good is it for a man to gain the whole world at the price of his own soul? What could a man offer to buy back his soul once he had lost it?

We already sold our soul when we sinned against God. That is why Jesus had to come as a man and die for us. His righteous life was sacrificed for us because God loves us. God wants to fellowship with us and for us to love him and to serve him and to depend on him for everything. He came from Glory and Power to a baby that had no place to sleep.. his crib was a pig trooth ( a jew was to high up to even feed a pig scraps bro and Jesus was jewish). He free gave up his glory temporarily to take on our sin. All so we could have fellowship with him. He gave us the option to choose him and in his hopes he is still the single most rejected thing in this world. Either way every knee will bow and every tongue will confess he is Lord.. but i gladly choose him now. I know he loves me and Mike i love him. It’s more like falling in love than something to believe in.

The choice to live for him, (your name) is yours alone to make. I hope you will write me back and tell me how you are and ask any questions you have. I love you and i got your back. God bless you and keep you my friend. I will be praying for you.

 

[John146]

2 Timothy 1:12, "For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day."

Greek, Greek, Greek, always claim the Greek when the Bible goes against your beliefs. There's a huge difference in "of" and "in." Using the word "in" makes it fall on the believer. I see why you don't agree with "of". That makes it fall on Christ's faith and His work on the cross.

So, when you walked away Christ was not doing a work in your life, but now He is? One has to hit rock bottom in order to have eternal security?

Now your just playing games here because did you know that "OF" or "IN" is not in the original Greek, therefore taking and changing in to of makes no difference.

Nowhere in the bible does it teach "Christ did it all, we do nothing." Nowhere !!!

Yes I do have eternal security right now because I abide in Christ and His teachings, when I walked away awhile back from my teens to 25 years of age I did not !!!

I do have peace because He is working in me to be better and better each day, and I know no matter what I go through now He will get me through it.

I know I will not waiver now because I already hit rock bottom and go through it thanks be to God !!!

It does not matter that Catholic's now don't believe in OSAS, the fact is that both Augustine and Calvin were both Catholic's !!!

 

[KJV1611]

Sound doctrine gets little attention now days as people would rather be entertained and hear how good they are. The truth is that in todays world all things are as they should be and the truth will go out and not return void. Isaiah 55:11 The rest is useless and leads men astray from worshiping Jesus Christ and puts the focus on men and what they do.

Worship and Give thanks to what our Great God has done, will do and is doing, past present and future. Revelation 1:8
He will save his people without fail.

The reason there is no sound doctrine from most people is because they change the bible on things they don't like. Best practice is read the bible, believe it and be happy whatever it says.

 

[JesusIsAll]

First I read your response to once saved always saved and think: yep exactly, that's it. Kenneth says the same and you accuse him of false doctrin.
I don't get it. I get the impression that you believe the exact same thing.

Not in the least. Like scripture warnings to the virgins without oil in their lamps, I draw the distinction the Bible does between the saved and the unsaved, the Philadelphia versus the Laodicean church, a huge difference that has nothing to do with denying eternal security of the born again believer. Eternal security is in the Bible, anybody saying differently is making Christ a liar. The issue is real versus fake believers, wheat versus tares. You're in a playpen of this, right now.

You also are calling for scripture. I've posted scripture proof a zillion times in the past. Here's a link below. You could Google for scripture, yourself. Why do you need to ask anybody here for the eternal security view of about all Reformed Christendom, as if the scripture doesn't exist, as if it's something new? There are very fine, Spirit-filled theologians, now and long gone, of spotless reputations, lined up around the block, over generations, all of whom taught eternal security from the scripture. This is not an obscure issue, even in the charter of many churches. I would add churches in my life where nobody has disputed this, odd it's a conflagration of constant bickering of a few people here, of one track minds to tear down this truth.

You're a Christian, and you haven't heard countless sermons or read about this matter? Do you know how to Google? Search other threads here on the topic. I think I have a blog post about it. Why am I having a hard time seeing how you say you've considered this matter, and are asking for scripture that speaks to eternal security everybody who's actually studied the issue has seen, something a simple Google would put in your face? If I'm not making sense to you, you're making less to me. Anyway, look at the scripture. Believe it, or not. I find it so strange you've decided on the matter, yet are asking for eternal security scripture, as if you've never seen it, as if nobody has it. If you weren't somebody here I'm not much aware of, the scripture has been so much published here I'd not answer some other people on this, who simply reject the truth. Again, a link, scripture proof out the wazoo.

101 Bible Reasons Proving Eternal Security
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