The two candlesticks in Revelation 11 are the two light sources in a very dark world at that time since the Church is no longer here. The two witnesses are the Law and Prophets or Moses and Elijah as given to us at the Lord's transfiguration. These had the power to do miracles, plagues and droughts.
The two witnesses
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Hello again Lifted,
The issue here is what scripture is saying. A good rule of thumb in reading scripture is, "if the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense." As I said in an earlier post, there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to your conclusions. There is no reason to no to take scripture at face value regarding the two witnesses.
* they will prophesy for 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth
* If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies.
* They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying
* they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
* Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will kill them
* Their bodies will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days
* The people of the earth will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial.
* The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate
* They come back to life (resurrect) after 3 1/2 days
* a loud voice from heaven says to them, “Come up here!"
* They ascend into heaven while their enemies are watching
As I said, there is way too much detailed information that supports them as being actual men and absolutely zero information supporting them as being symbolic as representing the Bible.
Your question above is irrelevant, as it does not prove anything. I could just as easily ask, why did God use prophets to proclaim his word to Israel? The bottom line is that, what you are proposing is pure conjecture, as there is nothing in the scripture to support it. You can't just make interpretations from thin air. The conclusion is that, these two witnesses are going prophecy for 1,260 days in the streets of Jerusalem and will be killed by the beast who comes up out of the Abyss at the end of the time of prophesying. Then 3 1/2 half days later, God is going to resurrect them where they will ascend into heaven.
The issue here is what scripture is saying. A good rule of thumb in reading scripture is, "if the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense." As I said in an earlier post, there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to your conclusions. There is no reason to no to take scripture at face value regarding the two witnesses.
* they will prophesy for 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth
* If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies.
* They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying
* they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
* Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will kill them
* Their bodies will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days
* The people of the earth will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial.
* The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate
* They come back to life (resurrect) after 3 1/2 days
* a loud voice from heaven says to them, “Come up here!"
* They ascend into heaven while their enemies are watching
As I said, there is way too much detailed information that supports them as being actual men and absolutely zero information supporting them as being symbolic as representing the Bible.
Your question above is irrelevant, as it does not prove anything. I could just as easily ask, why did God use prophets to proclaim his word to Israel? The bottom line is that, what you are proposing is pure conjecture, as there is nothing in the scripture to support it. You can't just make interpretations from thin air. The conclusion is that, these two witnesses are going prophecy for 1,260 days in the streets of Jerusalem and will be killed by the beast who comes up out of the Abyss at the end of the time of prophesying. Then 3 1/2 half days later, God is going to resurrect them where they will ascend into heaven.
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Correction, the scriptures are not implying anything, as it comes right out and says that they are two witnesses/prophets. The two witnesses are just that, two witnesses, where the 144,000 will be those who come out of the twelve tribes of Israel and will come to the knowledge that Jesus is their Messiah. The two witnesses are two men and the 144,000 are men.
All of the above is complete conjecture on your part! What do you have in the scripture regarding the Samaritan woman that links her to the song of the 144,000? You can't just make things up out of thin air. Scripture has to support what you are claiming, otherwise it is false. With all due respect, what you are doing is nothing short of butchering the word of God. It is nothing but the distortion of the word.
Oye Vey!
All of the above is complete conjecture on your part! What do you have in the scripture regarding the Samaritan woman that links her to the song of the 144,000? You can't just make things up out of thin air. Scripture has to support what you are claiming, otherwise it is false. With all due respect, what you are doing is nothing short of butchering the word of God. It is nothing but the distortion of the word.
Oye Vey!
So you want book of Revelation scripture,the most cryptic,spiritual book of them of them all that says flat out plainly who the two witnesses are? Well I already said the Philadelphia Church is the Spirit of the 144,000 and give out some scripture from the book of Revelation .There's honestly no other scripture about the two witnesses,other then that one chapter.
I guess I'll have to try my best to explain the Philadelphia Church,but would that even matter?Unless its common spiritual knowledge you guys wont accept it.
Doe's the Joshua scripture holds no value also?Everything is there that connects right along with Revelation.
Rahab the prostitute is spoken of also in Revelation.I even gave scripture for that.So how can there be nothing in Joshua that relates to Revelation? I'll have to do this later on in the day hopefully,if I can get a hold of a computer.
I guess I'll have to try my best to explain the Philadelphia Church,but would that even matter?Unless its common spiritual knowledge you guys wont accept it.
Doe's the Joshua scripture holds no value also?Everything is there that connects right along with Revelation.
Rahab the prostitute is spoken of also in Revelation.I even gave scripture for that.So how can there be nothing in Joshua that relates to Revelation? I'll have to do this later on in the day hopefully,if I can get a hold of a computer.
Hello gentlemen and brother's in Christ, Lifted and Ahwatukee
Could you consider this Scripture states in Hebrews; 9:27-28 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die but after this the judgement. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation." and also the scripture in regards to Enoch in Genesis; 5:22-24 "And Enoch walked with God after he begat Me-thu se-lah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred fixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him." the final scripture is in regards to Elijah which states in 2 Kings; 2:11-12 "And it came to pass, as they still went on to talk, that, behold there appeared chariots of fire, and horses of fire, parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My Father, my Father the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took a hold of his own clothes and rent them in two pieces." So yes as far as i have understanding of this i can believe that the two witnesses is Enoch, and Elijah for neither had died as far as scripture, and as far as God's will for this i am certain that it pleases Him....but to ? why didn't Jesus testify the truth by Himself in the book of Acts...where does that road stop can i then ? God as to why when they were warned that God can bring children unto these very stones unto Abraham did it take so long for Jesus to be born? So please brother do not get frustrated if someone disagrees for they may very well be the one to give you fullness of understanding and truth..for even though i have read these scriptures and concluded what i have i have heard others state that it is Moses, and Elijah so if someone can show me in scripture that i am incorrect for i definitely do not wish to lead astray as well as the brothers in Christ that i am now addressing: Lifted, and Ahwatukee i would love that for i always love to learn of the truth and share and learn about our Father in Heaven and His Son! thank you for your time....
Could you consider this Scripture states in Hebrews; 9:27-28 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die but after this the judgement. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation." and also the scripture in regards to Enoch in Genesis; 5:22-24 "And Enoch walked with God after he begat Me-thu se-lah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred fixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him." the final scripture is in regards to Elijah which states in 2 Kings; 2:11-12 "And it came to pass, as they still went on to talk, that, behold there appeared chariots of fire, and horses of fire, parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My Father, my Father the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took a hold of his own clothes and rent them in two pieces." So yes as far as i have understanding of this i can believe that the two witnesses is Enoch, and Elijah for neither had died as far as scripture, and as far as God's will for this i am certain that it pleases Him....but to ? why didn't Jesus testify the truth by Himself in the book of Acts...where does that road stop can i then ? God as to why when they were warned that God can bring children unto these very stones unto Abraham did it take so long for Jesus to be born? So please brother do not get frustrated if someone disagrees for they may very well be the one to give you fullness of understanding and truth..for even though i have read these scriptures and concluded what i have i have heard others state that it is Moses, and Elijah so if someone can show me in scripture that i am incorrect for i definitely do not wish to lead astray as well as the brothers in Christ that i am now addressing: Lifted, and Ahwatukee i would love that for i always love to learn of the truth and share and learn about our Father in Heaven and His Son! thank you for your time....
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Really? John the Revelator did it.
Revelation 1:9,10 "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"
Revelation 1:9,10 "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"
The 2 witnesses of God the Father are His Word and Spirit which are in all the Lords anointed saints. Here is scriptural proof.....
Which brings us to the Lords 2 witnesses in Revelation 11:3-4 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Many believe the 2 witnesses, 2 Olive trees, 2 candlesticks are 2 single individual men like Moses and Elijah. But when you understand the time of 1,260 days to be symbolic, then perhaps you’ll search it out. I will give you scriptural proof just who these 2 anointed witnesses are, if you can receive it.
Notice in Zechariah the two Olive trees feed the Oil to the two candlesticks, which in turn lighten His 7 lamps. Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
And if we back up we’ll see the bigger picture of this, and even the answer to Zechariah’s question, who these 2 truly are?
Zechariah 4:1-6 “And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep. 2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.”
The angel answered Zechariahs question as to who these were, but Zechariah missed it because he asks the angel again in verse 12, and the angel once again tells him these are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
And these 2 anointed ones are Gods Word and Spirit, which feed the Oil (Spirit) to the 7 lamps.
But let’s take this mystery step by step …
First notice the two olive branches feed the oil to the 7 pipes, which light the 7 lamps. (Zech 4:2)
Then notice in Zech 4:10 the angel tells Zechariah that those 7 lamps are the 7 eyes of the Lord.
Zechariah 4:10 “For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.”
But before I go any further let me say this for sure, there is no flesh and blood man, or men who is in control of, or even feeds the Oil (Holy Spirit) to the 7 eyes of the Lord.
Notice here the 7 lamps are shown as the 7 spirits of God (7 eyes of the Lord)
Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Now here again we are shown the 7 eyes (same as the 7 lamps, which are the 7 spirits of God)
Zechariah 3:9 “For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.”
And again we see the angel talking about those 7 lamps (7 eyes / 7 spirits of God) whom the 2 anointed feed the Oil (Spirit) into.
Zechariah 4:10 “For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.”
And then finally we see the One stone (Precious Stone/Rock) on which those 7 eyes (7 spirits of God) would be in Revelation 5:6 “And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”
So you see it is the Lord's Word and Spirit (2 anointed ones) that feed the oil to lighten the 7 lamps ( 7 eyes / 7 spirits of God) And who bears witness in heaven? The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And here we see the One stone that would bear witness of Himself (Word) along with the Fathers (Spirit) who would also bear witness of Him.
John 8:18 “I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.” And those who are born of Him, also have this same witness dwelling in themselves. 1 John 5:10 “He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: “
Jesus Christ is the true and faithful witness that dwells in all his anointed saints, and that is how the Father speaks to the world, by Christ in us, or God’s Word and Spirit in us. We see this in Isaiah 59:21 “As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.”
These are those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ in them, for the testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of prophecy.
To learn more visit my blog at www.therevelationofjc.com
Which brings us to the Lords 2 witnesses in Revelation 11:3-4 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Many believe the 2 witnesses, 2 Olive trees, 2 candlesticks are 2 single individual men like Moses and Elijah. But when you understand the time of 1,260 days to be symbolic, then perhaps you’ll search it out. I will give you scriptural proof just who these 2 anointed witnesses are, if you can receive it.
Notice in Zechariah the two Olive trees feed the Oil to the two candlesticks, which in turn lighten His 7 lamps. Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
And if we back up we’ll see the bigger picture of this, and even the answer to Zechariah’s question, who these 2 truly are?
Zechariah 4:1-6 “And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep. 2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.”
The angel answered Zechariahs question as to who these were, but Zechariah missed it because he asks the angel again in verse 12, and the angel once again tells him these are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
And these 2 anointed ones are Gods Word and Spirit, which feed the Oil (Spirit) to the 7 lamps.
But let’s take this mystery step by step …
First notice the two olive branches feed the oil to the 7 pipes, which light the 7 lamps. (Zech 4:2)
Then notice in Zech 4:10 the angel tells Zechariah that those 7 lamps are the 7 eyes of the Lord.
Zechariah 4:10 “For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.”
But before I go any further let me say this for sure, there is no flesh and blood man, or men who is in control of, or even feeds the Oil (Holy Spirit) to the 7 eyes of the Lord.
Notice here the 7 lamps are shown as the 7 spirits of God (7 eyes of the Lord)
Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Now here again we are shown the 7 eyes (same as the 7 lamps, which are the 7 spirits of God)
Zechariah 3:9 “For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.”
And again we see the angel talking about those 7 lamps (7 eyes / 7 spirits of God) whom the 2 anointed feed the Oil (Spirit) into.
Zechariah 4:10 “For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.”
And then finally we see the One stone (Precious Stone/Rock) on which those 7 eyes (7 spirits of God) would be in Revelation 5:6 “And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”
So you see it is the Lord's Word and Spirit (2 anointed ones) that feed the oil to lighten the 7 lamps ( 7 eyes / 7 spirits of God) And who bears witness in heaven? The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And here we see the One stone that would bear witness of Himself (Word) along with the Fathers (Spirit) who would also bear witness of Him.
John 8:18 “I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.” And those who are born of Him, also have this same witness dwelling in themselves. 1 John 5:10 “He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: “
Jesus Christ is the true and faithful witness that dwells in all his anointed saints, and that is how the Father speaks to the world, by Christ in us, or God’s Word and Spirit in us. We see this in Isaiah 59:21 “As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.”
These are those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ in them, for the testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of prophecy.
To learn more visit my blog at www.therevelationofjc.com
How does the Word and the Spirit in your theory above "be clothed in sackcloth"? It seems to me to be people that need to do that.
Scriptures are full of the word "two" and "word" and "Spirit" from which one could deduce all kinds of things..
Matthew 21:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,
Scriptures are full of the word "two" and "word" and "Spirit" from which one could deduce all kinds of things..
Matthew 21:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples,
Notice how the Lord destroys those who hurt his saints who have his witness in them.....
Revelation 11:5
And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Here is the answer to this mystery.....
Jeremiah 5:14
Wherefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.
Revelation 11:5
And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Here is the answer to this mystery.....
Jeremiah 5:14
Wherefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.
Jesus spoke often concerning the coming kingdom on earth after the tribulation. In Matthew 22:40 he testified that the commandments all hang on the law and prophets. Moses declares the law and Elijah represents the prophets.
Enoch is a picture of those who will be raptured before the wrath to come, who will never face death. There will be those who are alive at the time of the rapture.
Enoch is a picture of those who will be raptured before the wrath to come, who will never face death. There will be those who are alive at the time of the rapture.
Hello gentlemen and brother's in Christ, Lifted and Ahwatukee
Could you consider this Scripture states in Hebrews; 9:27-28 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die but after this the judgement. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation." and also the scripture in regards to Enoch in Genesis; 5:22-24 "And Enoch walked with God after he begat Me-thu se-lah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred fixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him." the final scripture is in regards to Elijah which states in 2 Kings; 2:11-12 "And it came to pass, as they still went on to talk, that, behold there appeared chariots of fire, and horses of fire, parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My Father, my Father the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took a hold of his own clothes and rent them in two pieces." So yes as far as i have understanding of this i can believe that the two witnesses is Enoch, and Elijah for neither had died as far as scripture, and as far as God's will for this i am certain that it pleases Him....but to ? why didn't Jesus testify the truth by Himself in the book of Acts...where does that road stop can i then ? God as to why when they were warned that God can bring children unto these very stones unto Abraham did it take so long for Jesus to be born? So please brother do not get frustrated if someone disagrees for they may very well be the one to give you fullness of understanding and truth..for even though i have read these scriptures and concluded what i have i have heard others state that it is Moses, and Elijah so if someone can show me in scripture that i am incorrect for i definitely do not wish to lead astray as well as the brothers in Christ that i am now addressing: Lifted, and Ahwatukee i would love that for i always love to learn of the truth and share and learn about our Father in Heaven and His Son! thank you for your time....
Could you consider this Scripture states in Hebrews; 9:27-28 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die but after this the judgement. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation." and also the scripture in regards to Enoch in Genesis; 5:22-24 "And Enoch walked with God after he begat Me-thu se-lah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred fixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him." the final scripture is in regards to Elijah which states in 2 Kings; 2:11-12 "And it came to pass, as they still went on to talk, that, behold there appeared chariots of fire, and horses of fire, parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My Father, my Father the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took a hold of his own clothes and rent them in two pieces." So yes as far as i have understanding of this i can believe that the two witnesses is Enoch, and Elijah for neither had died as far as scripture, and as far as God's will for this i am certain that it pleases Him....but to ? why didn't Jesus testify the truth by Himself in the book of Acts...where does that road stop can i then ? God as to why when they were warned that God can bring children unto these very stones unto Abraham did it take so long for Jesus to be born? So please brother do not get frustrated if someone disagrees for they may very well be the one to give you fullness of understanding and truth..for even though i have read these scriptures and concluded what i have i have heard others state that it is Moses, and Elijah so if someone can show me in scripture that i am incorrect for i definitely do not wish to lead astray as well as the brothers in Christ that i am now addressing: Lifted, and Ahwatukee i would love that for i always love to learn of the truth and share and learn about our Father in Heaven and His Son! thank you for your time....
I have a testimony,but my word holds no weight.
I've had alot of spiritual experiences,and one of them was about the two witnesses.
At the time these things happened,there was no Bible knowledge in me at all.Other then going to church as a youngling,which is next to nothing.
When God revealed to me the two witnesses,I didn't even have no understanding of what he was trying to show me.
In fact the things he did reveal to me I knew nothing about, or made me mad because I was expecting something else.
I honestly didn't even believe him.Only years later,after searching scriptures did I realize it was all the truth.Most of it is hidden in spiritual truth.
I've had alot of spiritual experiences,and one of them was about the two witnesses.
At the time these things happened,there was no Bible knowledge in me at all.Other then going to church as a youngling,which is next to nothing.
When God revealed to me the two witnesses,I didn't even have no understanding of what he was trying to show me.
In fact the things he did reveal to me I knew nothing about, or made me mad because I was expecting something else.
I honestly didn't even believe him.Only years later,after searching scriptures did I realize it was all the truth.Most of it is hidden in spiritual truth.
The book of Revelation is very symbolic, and one needs to pay close attention to the wording because that is where you will find the clues you need in other parts of scripture to unlock the mystery. But it is only by the Holy Spirit one can receive this understanding. God's 2 witnesses are in all his saints, it is the bodies of the saints that are laying in the streets. Just as God's saints are referred to in scripture as the "holy city" and as Zion. Notice the wording....
Revelation 11:7-9 "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. (war against the saints who have the testimony of Jesus Christ)[SUP]8 [/SUP]And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves."
Now compare to the wording here.....
Isaiah 51:16-23
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]There is none to guide her among all the sons whom she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the hand of all the sons that she hath brought up.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]These two things are come unto thee; who shall be sorry for thee? desolation, and destruction, and the famine, and the sword: by whom shall I comfort thee?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Thy sons have fainted, they lie at the head of all the streets, as a wild bull in a net: they are full of the fury of the Lord, the rebuke of thy God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Therefore hear now this, thou afflicted, and drunken, but not with wine:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Thus saith thy Lord the Lord, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over."
Notice above God calls his people Zion, and Jerusalem (holy city), and they lie in the streets, and then God tells them to awake as in resurrection, like the bodies of the 2 witnesses in the streets. Now notice the wording again....
Revelation 11:11
And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Compare....
Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Revelation 11:7-9 "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. (war against the saints who have the testimony of Jesus Christ)[SUP]8 [/SUP]And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves."
Now compare to the wording here.....
Isaiah 51:16-23
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]There is none to guide her among all the sons whom she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the hand of all the sons that she hath brought up.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]These two things are come unto thee; who shall be sorry for thee? desolation, and destruction, and the famine, and the sword: by whom shall I comfort thee?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Thy sons have fainted, they lie at the head of all the streets, as a wild bull in a net: they are full of the fury of the Lord, the rebuke of thy God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Therefore hear now this, thou afflicted, and drunken, but not with wine:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Thus saith thy Lord the Lord, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over."
Notice above God calls his people Zion, and Jerusalem (holy city), and they lie in the streets, and then God tells them to awake as in resurrection, like the bodies of the 2 witnesses in the streets. Now notice the wording again....
Revelation 11:11
And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Compare....
Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Anyways,before I go .Whats the definition of a witness?What is a witness?What does a witness do? The two witnesses are not Enoch,Moses,or Elijah.
There's only one witness able to testify the truth,and that is Jesus,the faithful witness.The remnant carried the Ark of the testimony.They will carry the testimony of the new covenant again.The Bible is the testimony of Jesus, AKA the the two witnesses. CARRIED by the remnant,Again.
There is nothing new under the sun.
There's only one witness able to testify the truth,and that is Jesus,the faithful witness.The remnant carried the Ark of the testimony.They will carry the testimony of the new covenant again.The Bible is the testimony of Jesus, AKA the the two witnesses. CARRIED by the remnant,Again.
There is nothing new under the sun.
God's words are spoken by those many physical saints who have God's 2 witnesses (Word and Spirit) dwelling in them. It is the Lord who gives us a mouth and wisdom as Jesus said. But it is also by the spirit of antichrist that the beast prophesies in many false prophets and many deceivers as well.
Here is a thread that shows how God's Spirit, or the Devils spirit gives voice to the horns....
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/128000-spirit-gives-voice-horns.html
Here is a thread that shows how God's Spirit, or the Devils spirit gives voice to the horns....
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/128000-spirit-gives-voice-horns.html
Again the Living Word and Spirit of God is in all of the Lords anointed saints. The sign of sackcloth being worn is a sign of those whom the Lord has humbled by His Spirit. The Spirit of God is lowly, meek, and mild, and given to the simple and poor which are made rich in faith, not seeking worldly things.
Psalm 35:13
But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing was sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom.
Psalm 69:11
I made sackcloth also my garment; and I became a proverb to them.
Psalm 35:13
But as for me, when they were sick, my clothing was sackcloth: I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer returned into mine own bosom.
Psalm 69:11
I made sackcloth also my garment; and I became a proverb to them.