Homosexual Brother, need HELP!

Miri · Feb 28, 2016

Wow, have never seen so much ignorance on a thread.

If we cut off or put to death every sinner, none Christian relative and friend
then no one would be left on planet earth to save - including us.

The way I see it no one is exempt from the laws of sin and death and the
sacrifice of Jesus paid the price for all sin, not just the obvious ones but
also the hidden ones which no one else knows about except the person
themselves. He also paid the price for the little things, those little white
lies and the sins of omission - things we should do but don't.

In my books there are loads of sexual sins, adultery, homosexuality, sex
outside of marriage, lust etc. Before you go condemning specifically homosexuals
just look at your own lives. It's strange isn't it how many people live
together outside of marriage but don't consider that to be sin for example but hey,
off with their heads if they are homosexual.

Just for the record I am straight but one of my brothers is homosexual.
I don't agree with his life style but I still love him. I have met some of his
partners and quite honestly they and my brother have been far more
sincere, warm hearted and generous and forgiving than some on here who
profess to be Christians.

I think this is part of the problem, after all who wants to be a Christian if it
means you have to become bitter, angry, judgemental, hating others etc.

My brother is the most generous, kind, giving person I know. He works as a
respite carer for the elderly and disabled. Many clients ask for him specificially
as he is a two miler. He goes out of his way to take people out to the shops, clean
for them, cook for them etc none of this is in his job description. He displays
so many Christian attributes, many more than people who are actuall
Christians.

He knows I am a Christian, he knows I pray for him, he has met my Christian
friends, he has - wait for it - he has even been to my church - wow isn't that a
shock an unsaved homosexual going to church.

The trouble is many Christians don't see homosexuals as people, but they are, they
are just as human as you or me. They have the same emotions, face the same problems.

To the OP if you are still around, love your brother pray for him, tell him of
Christ, pray for and meet his partners. It's only by showing the love of Christ to
your brother that he will come to salvation. Hate him, cut him off and he will
be well and truly lost as the only person who could administered "first aid" refused to
do so.

We have the words of eternal life, how will the lost be found if we do not share them
and show the love of Christ to others.

I will get off my pulpit now but honestly I think some of you will
be there with your pitch forks pushing people into hell if you could.

Miri · Feb 28, 2016

tannerbrody said:

There is no such thing as being genetically gay. I don't think you understand
how mind sets can be formed at a young age or how Satan seeks to bring as much
harm as possible to children from a young age.

Unfortunately the world we live in exposes children to all manner of things they should
be innocent about. Many mind sets adults have, were formed as children that is why they
are so hard to break. It has nothing to do with genetics.

Protect your children, pray for them, watch who they associate with. Be careful of the
things they see on TV. How many parents for example, allow their children to have
unregulated uncontrolled Internet access.

Unfortunately what was once considered wrong is now
becoming acceptable. This isn't genetic, this is a battle of the mind.

Homosexuality and identity problems are just some of the issues children are now
faced with, there are numerous others but it has nothing to do with genes - apart
from a very very rare few who are born intersex with both male and female attributes.

What is even more worrying is that generations of children are growing up with a
distorted view of what sex is or its context in a loving relationship, due to all
the porn available. That is a far bigger problem than Homosexuality.

Jayoish · Feb 28, 2016

Miri said:

Of course you see ignorance in the thread, I can believe you on that, because a person knows its own. Just in case this went over your head, in other word, you are showing your ignorance when you say the people in this thread is condemning homosexuals, because we are merely quoting the Bible, it does the Condemning!!! And not just homosexuals, but ALL SINS!!! For you to say there are loads of sins, as if it justifies another, then you best check your Christian card. However, once again, I can believe you are a today's Christian. One who worship that other Jesus that Paul speaks on which they have not taught. The one who say you can eat anything, all you have to do is pray over it. You can come as you are and he loves you anyway! Well, that is not the Jesus of the Bible, because he say he loves those who obey his commandments. He say he is going to judge us according to our work we have done and that will determine where you spend eternality. There is no big or little Sin, sin is sin which by Biblical definition is the Transgression of the Law.

People get over yourselves and listen closely. You can do and say whatever you want in the present world, but you can not change the Bible, he tells us not to add anything or take anything from it...you can't change where you end up when Jesus returns unless you do so by works, not by words. --- they are close in spelling, but almost doesn't count. You will get a just reward and Jesus will not give you more or less. It is all over the Bible that the commandments must be kept and what we need to do to gain eternal life, but we want to change things to fit our desires. Even in the last book of the Bible, Revelation, Jesus states he you are blessed if you are doing his commandments and that it will gain you the right to the tree of life and entrance into his kingdom. And he state that those without the commandments are dogs, etc. And he confirms that all is written in this book should be honored by reiterating not to add or take away from it. You guys are doing both when you drop the laws and add what you want it to be:

Scriptural Proof: Revelation 22: 12, 14-15, 19
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Shalom,
Jayoish

Miri · Feb 28, 2016

Jayoish said:

Of course you see ignorance in the thread, I can believe you on that, because a person knows its own. Just in case this went over your head, in other word, you are showing your ignorance when you say the people in this thread is condemning homosexuals, because we are merely quoting the Bible, it does the Condemning!!! And not just homosexuals, but ALL SINS!!! For you to say there are loads of sins, as if it justifies another, then you best check your Christian card. However, once again, I can believe you are a today's Christian. One who worship that other Jesus that Paul speaks on which they have not taught. The one who say you can eat anything, all you have to do is pray over it. You can come as you are and he loves you anyway! Well, that is not the Jesus of the Bible, because he say he loves those who obey his commandments. He say he is going to judge us according to our work we have done and that will determine where you spend eternality. There is no big or little Sin, sin is sin which by Biblical definition is the Transgression of the Law.

People get over yourselves and listen closely. You can do and say whatever you want in the present world, but you can not change the Bible, he tells us not to add anything or take anything from it...you can't change where you end up when Jesus returns unless you do so by works, not by words. --- they are close in spelling, but almost doesn't count. You will get a just reward and Jesus will not give you more or less. It is all over the Bible that the commandments must be kept and what we need to do to gain eternal life, but we want to change things to fit our desires. Even in the last book of the Bible, Revelation, Jesus states he you are blessed if you are doing his commandments and that it will gain you the right to the tree of life and entrance into his kingdom. And he state that those without the commandments are dogs, etc. And he confirms that all is written in this book should be honored by reiterating not to add or take away from it. You guys are doing both when you drop the laws and add what you want it to be:

Scriptural Proof: Revelation 22: 12, 14-15, 19
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Shalom,
Jayoish

You obviously did not read my post properly and I refuse to turn this
thread into yet another grace verses works thread - there are trillions
already if you want to argue that point on them.

As I say, there are some who will be ready with their pitch forks giving
satan a hand, but hey God forbid if we actually display the love of
God to others.

Dude653 · Feb 28, 2016

people act like homosexuality is the only sin the Bible mentions

Jayoish · Feb 28, 2016

Miri said:

I read your post perfectly well and all I saw and heard was excuses and blame. It's not that you refuse to turn this thread into certain something, but you can't stand above the word of GOD. I did not give you my thoughts, but GOD's word which is true and everyone else is a lie.

Scripture: Roman 3:3-4 ---
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Shalom,
Jayoish

Miri · Feb 28, 2016

I will pray for you. You are obviously having a bad day.
God bless

Jayoish · Feb 28, 2016

Miri said:

No thank you. I will pass on your prayers, I am not mixed up. Just continue to pray for your brother and don't make excuses for him. I will continue to tell God truth and try to help others get it right. As long as I stay within his will and not my own thoughts, I am good.

Shalom,
Jayoish

DiscipleDave · Mar 12, 2016

Lets get something clear right now. There is NOTHING in the Scriptures that teach it is sinful by who you are attracted to? NOTHING. People teach that it is sinful based on who you are attracted to, these same people are no different than the Pharisees teaching what is sinful and what is not sinful even though the Scriptures do not teach they are sinful. They teach you can't do this, you can do that. Let them alone, they are even now blind and do not see the Truth.

If i am a Heterosexual (attracted to opposite sex) is that a sin? NO, but if i have a sexual relationship not being married i commit sin.
If i am a Homosexual (attracted to same sex) is that a sin? NO, but if i have a sexual relationship with another, i commit sin
If i am a Bisexual (attracted to both sexes) is that a sin? NO, but if i have a sexual relationship with another, i commit sin.

It is the ACT that is sinful and wicked against God, NOT who you are attracted to. i am 100% Heterosexual. i am attracted to females. Because i am attracted to females does that give me the right to have sex with females? God forbid. Even though i am a Heterosexual, and am most certainly attracted to females, i have been celibate for over 9 years now, and will be till the day i die or am taken up with Christ. If i can do it, so can you. i am 100% human, born of a human mom and a human dad. i am not divine in any way, save that Jesus lives in me, and He is divine.

my point is, if you are Homosexual, Heterosexual, Bisexual, or ______sexual. You can be attracted to others and NOT commit sin by having a sexual relationship.

Can a Homosexual go to Heaven? Most certainly Yes.
Can a Homosexual who practices it go to Heaven? Most certainly NOT. unless they repent and cease from it.
Can a Heterosexual go to Heaven? Most certainly Yes.
Can a Heterosexual who practices it (not being married) go to Heaven? Most certainly NOT. unless they repent and cease from it.

Who does the Blood of Christ cover according to the Word of God?

1Jn 1:7 But if (conditional) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Who is washed by His Blood? Those who walk in the light. It would behoove this generation to study the Scriptures and find out what it means to "WALK IN THE LIGHT" before it is too late for them to know and understand the TRUTH, and they are found left behind. Many, and i say MANY walk around thinking they are cleansed by His Blood and are NOT. Better search the Scriptures and find out what it means to "WALK IN THE LIGHT"

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DiscipleDave · Mar 12, 2016

Miri said:

i can tell you have not done much research concerning this area and this is only your opinion of what you think is TRUE. There are many, and i say many children brought up the exact same way with other brothers and sisters, and one not all of them end up Homosexual. So it is NOT how someone is raised that determines that. Sure it can play a big part in it, if a person is molested by the same sex, then yes that would play a big part in it. But not every Homosexual is molested are they? Three brothers all grow up in the same house, by the same parents, go to the same school, has the same friends. One finds himself attracted to guys

Many examples of children or even toddlers exhibiting Homosexual traits, girls playing with cars and guns and boys playing with dolls and makeup. For you to say it is a learned thing, is contrary to all the evidence that says otherwise.

You say there is no such thing as being genetically Gay. Tell me then are we genetically Straight? Our DNA determines our hair color, our eyes, if we will see, if we will be blind, it determines even our personality, what are interests will be, what we will be good at. Even our minds are DNA programmed, to be smart or dumb or mentally challenged. So inherently men are designed to see, hear, speak, taste, smell, be attracted to the opposite sex. And tiny defect in the DNA those things are altered. A person can be born blind. And YES they were genetically born that way. Did you hear that, they were genetically born with a defect in their DNA.

Now even though i am born Heterosexual, does NOT give me the license to have sex with the opposite sex. And if a person is born Homosexual that also DOES NOT give them the right to have sex with the same sex.

Don't all of you know, we are all here to be Tested. you are born the way you are, because you are being tested by God. A person is born blind, is that a punishment from God? NO, it is a test from God. Are you a Homosexual (for whatever reason) you are being tested as well. You are to abstain from sexual activity. Are you a Heterosexual, you are being tested as well, how many of you Heterosexuals have FAILED miserably by having sexual relationships not being married, and point your finger at those who are homosexuals? How many of you commit fornication on a daily basis by looking at porn (people doing wicked, evil things with each other, to which you get off on) And point your fingers at others? Hypocrites. You only point fingers at others because it somehow makes you feel better about your own wickedness. You take thought "Hey what they are doing is much worse than what I am doing" Therefore they will be your judges.

Miri said:

This is True, for the most part but it is also genetics that play a factor as well. Are you trying to tell me. That before the age of Television, when children just grew up on farms, that there were no gay people? Homosexuals have been around since the time of the very first humans. How were they made Gay, if i may ask? They did not see television, they most certainly did not see gay people on TV or gays holding hands in the street, HOW ON EARTH did they become gay? You do error not knowing the TRUTH. it can be genetics, even if you do not believe that is TRUE.

Miri said:

And maybe you can do a research on how many parents did everything PERFECTLY, and did all that you suggest above plus some, and their child still was Gay.

Miri said:

True, it is now acceptable and is seen everywhere. TV promoting happy Gay couples and the such. Gays getting married. Of coarse it is worse now, the prophesies foretold that these times would be worse. But to say they were not genetically born that way, is not accurate. i am not saying All of them were born that way, i am only saying genetics do a play a part in it, it is a defect, like being born blind, deaf, mentally challenge. they are born with a defect in their attraction attributes that is in the mind.

Miri said:

Think about what you just said. If they are born with both genitals then you can understand how they would have an identity problem. Really? because of a physical condition of the body? Seriously? So if a baby is born with both genitals is their mind messed up too? or are they only messed up because they have both genitals? If a baby can be born with both genitals this should be PROOF to you that they could also be born with both female and male attributes. But it seems to me, you will only excuse a Homosexual of being born that way, if He/she was born with both genitals.
Think about that a moment. a baby is born with both genitals. If that can happen, How can you say a person who is born a male CAN"T possibly feel like they should have been a girl, or even feel like they are a girl even though they have a penis? Or a girl feeling like she is a boy and feels like they are missing a penis. It is a genetic defect.

Miri said:

Agreed. Yet this is all foretold, it is going to get worse still. When the wrath of God does come upon this planet, MOST everyone on it will be living in some kind of sin or another. Very Few will be walking the path that leads to Life Everlasting, and i mean a very few, like one in a thousand people, or two in ten thousand people.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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willfollowsGod · Mar 12, 2016

First of all, I would pray for your homosexual brother and still love them because he is a person who has been created in the image and likeness of God even though he sadly has gone against God, as all sinners have. Also, one can be same-sex attracted but not give into committing homosexual acts. Jesus loves them just as he loves us. Though if he continues to dwell on homosexual thoughts then sooner or later he might give into them, kind of like those who continue to dwell on lustful thoughts for the other sex. Thoughts can be wrong, in fact when Cain killed Abel, he was guilty of a premeditated murder. Since he planned it in his head and planned to kill Abel in the field because God did not accept his sacrifice which was not the firstfruits but only some of his crops and not the best. While it is true that we do not always choose our thoughts, that does not make it right for us to be controlled by them. God bless. Have a beautiful day!

tannerbrody · Mar 12, 2016

Miri said:

Homosexuality is most certainly genertic. Where do you think it comes from? You think satan just floats into young minds and corrupts them? Let me give an example. If someone put Rosie O'Donnel and Jessica Alba in front of me and asked...which one do you think is a lesbian? Gee...let me guess...the one who looks more like a dude! I know Ellen DeGeneres was gay before she came out, you think satan changes peoples looks? Below are two famous celebrities. Try and guess just from the photo which one is gay.

No one chooses to be gay, no more than I can choose to be straight. My uncle is gay and by all accounts his childhood was fairly normal. And yes, as soon as you heard him speak you would know he was gay. He sounds like the guy from the B-52's 'Love Shack' song when he speaks. lol

Miri · Mar 13, 2016

Re the genetic/environment thingy.

A person does not have to be molasted or come from a bad home to have a
homosexual mindset. I was not implying that all homosexuals come from bad homes,
sorry of that was the impression.

I do think however that Satan works in the minds of people and I truely believe
that children especially are on his radar. The destructive of children both physically
mentally and emotionally is not coincidence. You only have to look at the
things which go on in the world to see that. The destruction of people from as early as
age as possible is a part of satans plan. If he cannot do it physically, then emotionally
is just as good. Indeed anything which separates from God is his plan.

I still do not think there is a homosexual gene. Homosexuality is not a new thing
the story of Abraham and Lot shows this.

On the matter of intersect where children are born with both male and female attributes,
this is a genetic fault, a problem with development. It is rare but the person concerned
can have both male and female hormones and therefore part male part female brain,
thinking etc.

There are also documented stories many years ago when medical science did not
really know what to make of this and so they assumed a child was either male or female
and did away with the surplus body parts to "correct" the problem. For example remove
male parts and bring the child up as a girl, only for the male hormones to assert themselves
later or vice verse. Children brought up not knowing what sex they were suppose to be etc.
I should imagine that still happens. So yes it is possible for someone with this condition to
be genuinely confused and suffer all manner of problems. But this is entirely different to
homosexuality.

Whatever catagory a person falls into straight, homosexual etc, we all need a saviour and
Christ died for all.

Miri · Mar 13, 2016

Incidentally Satan can change a person's demeaner, the way they walk, the
way they carry themselves etc.

Have you ever seen a person who is possessed, I mean really taken over
by Satan. Then seen the change in them when they come to Christ.

Oh and just because a person has short hair does not mean they are gay

chanchuinchoy · Mar 13, 2016

You are in sin. You must repent otherwise you will go to hell.

Please stop being a judge. Iam sure God did not ask you to be one. If I may suggest, you should shower him with your love. Make him know that you, your parent loved him and cares for him and wnats the best in life for him. Until he know this, he is not going to change. When he does realised, then seek professional help for him to go through therapy. Needs lots of prayers and support to do this.

Grace777x70 · Mar 13, 2016

And here she is before the deception took full root in her.....and she had children too...you don't children from being gay....it's a massive deception......once people find out who the really are in Christ...all this stuff drops off...

minds and corrupts them? Let me give an example. If someone put Rosie O'Donnel and Jessica Alba in front of me and asked...which one do you think is a lesbian? Gee...let me guess...the one who looks more like a dude! I know Ellen DeGeneres was gay before she came out, you think satan changes peoples looks? Below are two famous celebrities. Try and guess just from the photo which one is gay.
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Yeraza_Bats · Mar 13, 2016

tannerbrody said:

Pffft, people do not make themselves look a certain way because their genes force them too. Do you also believe that people who shave half their head and grow out the other side of hair, and dye that side green are doing it because their genes made them? No, they do it because they liked the look : p
Its all about what that person thought was cool.

And no one chooses to be tempted with homosexuality, no. Well not even that is true, many people actually do, as they believe its okay. But claiming people are born gay is no different than saying people arent born aroused by the idea of dressing up as animals and having orgies with other people dressed as animals. Its not true, they are acting out on an urge, they are not being controlled by their genes.

oldethennew · Mar 13, 2016

the most difficult thing for all of us in all of our lives will be to try to be as Jesus Christ is,
God in the flesh....

the god of this world will and does everything in his power to corrupt this Holy Lawful Calling...

may we all have love and understanding and compassion for all who walk this wicked earth,
for if we can't express our love and forgiveness and compassion for others, where will any of us end-up?

chanchuinchoy · Mar 15, 2016

Homosexuals, according to the bible is definately a sin, see Galations 5:19-21. Its not only sins but will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Personally, I think why then God allows homosexuals to be born into this world is that to demonstrate His power of change. He can change a person from homosexual to hetrosexual.

willfollowsGod · Mar 16, 2016

chanchuinchoy said:

I agree with some of what you said. But when people are born into this world they are not homosexuals, those impulses, thoughts, feelings, and if dwelt upon enough actions result primarily from their rejection of God. God changes a person from a homosexual, adulterer, fornicator, gossiper etc to a Christian which can result in either a reduction of homosexual feelings and desires, or elimination of those homosexual feelings and desires and increase of God's intended heterosexual feelings and desires driven by God and not the flesh). For the homosexual leaving that lifestyle, there are two options, one, if they so choose they can get married to a man (if they were a lesbian) or a woman (if they were ''gay'') or they can decide to live from now on a celibate life like Paul did. God bless.

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