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Doing righteous deeds by themselves does not make one righteous. ( no matter what the self-righteous tell you )This is having the cart before the horse.
Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is what 1 John chapter 3 is talking about for example. This shows the difference between the devil and those that belong to Christ. John was describing a believer and an unbeliever.
I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".
Here is how righteousness comes to a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now! This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.
The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and do not sin..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
are being transformed = passive voice = the action is being dome to you - you are not doing it. The Holy Spirit inside us bears the fruit of His life in us and it shows outwardly in our behavior.
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells
Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is what 1 John chapter 3 is talking about for example. This shows the difference between the devil and those that belong to Christ. John was describing a believer and an unbeliever.
I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".
Here is how righteousness comes to a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now! This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.
The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.
Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and do not sin..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
are being transformed = passive voice = the action is being dome to you - you are not doing it. The Holy Spirit inside us bears the fruit of His life in us and it shows outwardly in our behavior.
Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.
Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells
I believe 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin.. It's one thing to stumble and fall - Proverbs 24:16 - For a righteous man may fall seven times and rise again, but the wicked shall fall by calamity. It's another thing to practice sin. The idea of "practice" is to perform repeatedly or habitually and thus describes repetition or continuous action. The present tense describes the practice as habitual, as one's lifestyle or bent of life. No repentance just bring it on!
Where did John mention in 1 John 3:7-10 that if we turn back to sinful living, we are "no longer of God?" John said - No one who is born of God practices sin, *WHY - because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, *WHY because he is born of God. *Please show me the words, "no longer born of God" in the Bible.
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If we are honest with ourselves, we all habitually sin. We all have sin that besets us. Probably will never get rid of it until we are dead and rid of this flesh.
John is talking about living in the divine system. When we are filled and walking in the Spirit there is NO sin. There is no sin and we cannot practice sin IF we are living in the Spirit or the divine system that God has planned for the believer.
John is talking about living in the new creation in Christ. IF we are not grieving or quenching the Spirit we are not and cannot practice sin......sin has no part in the divine system of living.
Our flesh habitually sins, and always will. We may get one sin cleaned up, then we realize that we have a 10000 more to go.
John is talking about while we are living in the divine system(being filled and walking in the Spirit.) The moment we grieve or quench the Spirit we are out of that divine system and practicing sin and evil.
John is talking about living in the divine system. When we are filled and walking in the Spirit there is NO sin. There is no sin and we cannot practice sin IF we are living in the Spirit or the divine system that God has planned for the believer.
John is talking about living in the new creation in Christ. IF we are not grieving or quenching the Spirit we are not and cannot practice sin......sin has no part in the divine system of living.
Our flesh habitually sins, and always will. We may get one sin cleaned up, then we realize that we have a 10000 more to go.
John is talking about while we are living in the divine system(being filled and walking in the Spirit.) The moment we grieve or quench the Spirit we are out of that divine system and practicing sin and evil.
Many teach ongoing sin cannot effect your eternal security, this is totally false doctrine as Jesus shows here in John 8:33-36 "They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."
Also many preach you cannot be set free from the bondage and power of sin in this life, this is also a lie as Jesus also explained above.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."
Also many preach you cannot be set free from the bondage and power of sin in this life, this is also a lie as Jesus also explained above.
Right there is your problem. You equate abstaining from sin with the retention of salvation.
Your are the poster boy of self-righteousness.
The Bible says we are justified by faith, apart from works (Romans 3:28, ) - but your twisted theology teaches that after one's initial salvation, we then are justified by our works because our works determine whether or not we keep our salvation.
The Bible declares people are righteous who do not work but simply believe in Christ by faith (Romans 4:5). You say, however, that one cannot remain righteous unless they work for it.
The Bible says if you want grace, your basis can no longer be works! (Romans 11:6). You say that works are the basis for grace, because without works, your salvation goes bye-bye.
You have no faith in Christ because you are trusting in your own obedience to keep yourself saved. You trample His blood underfoot because it's simply not enough to wash away your every sin - it's now up to you to pick up the "salvation ball" Jesus dropped and run for the end zone - hoping you don't fumble it along the way - because it's no longer about Him, it's all about you.
You give Jesus a lot of lip-service, but you are your own savior.
I posted the following a few days ago, to someone else, but it certainly applies to you as well:
You can't "walk away" because salvation isn't based on what we've done, or even what we do. It's based entirely on what Christ did on our behalf: (Galatians 2:16, Ephesians 2:8-9, 2 Timothy 1:9, Romans 3:27, 4:4-6, 11:5-6, John 6:28-29, Titus 3:5)
According to Jesus, He; "gives (us) eternal life, and they shall never perish" (John 10:27-28)
According to you; they can walk away and perish.
According to Jesus, He said; "I shall lose none of all that He (the Father) has given me." (John 6:39)
According to you: Some can, and will be lost after being saved.
According to the Bible, Jesus will: "carry on the good work began in believers to completion." (Philippians 1;6)
According to you: The work for some will not be carried on to completion.
According to the Bible, the believers inheritance will never perish, spoil, or fade, and is kept by the power of God in heaven. (1 Peter 1:3-5)
According to you, a believers inheritance can perish, spoil, fade, and for some, will not be kept in heaven by the power of God.
According to the Bible, believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit, which is a deposit guaranteeing our salvation. (Ephesians 1:13-14, 4:30)
According to you: Believers can be "unsealed" because salvation is not guaranteed.
According to the Bible, believers will be saved, despite no works, or poor works. (1 Corinthians 3:14-15)
According to you; Believers can lose salvation based upon no works, or poor works.
According to Jesus, believers "have everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment." (John 5:24)
According to you; Believers can be lost, and will once again come into judgment.
According to the Bible, a believers lack of faith will not nullify God's faithfulness. (Romans 3:3)
According to you; lack of faith in a believer will nullify God's faithfulness.
According to the Bible, Jesus is able to save a believer completely. (Hebrews 7:25)
According to you; Jesus can not save completely, because salvation can be lost.
According to Jesus, he will "remember their (believers) sins, no more." (Hebrews 10:17)
According to you, a believer can be lost, thus Jesus will indeed remember their sins again.
According to the Bible, the Lord will "never count our sins against" us. (Romans 4:8)
According to you; A believer can be lost, and Jesus will, once again, count their sins against them.
Your works-based gospel is going to destroy your soul.
And you're in deep, dark denial that many who worship GOD will not enter into heaven.
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21
This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far, far away from me, and they worship me in vain, teaching [as] doctrines the commandments of men.’*” Matthew 15:8-9
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21
This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far, far away from me, and they worship me in vain, teaching [as] doctrines the commandments of men.’*” Matthew 15:8-9
And you, of course, leave out the rest because it's describes your works based gospel to a tee:
"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' " (Matthew 7: 22-23)
You're like the ones the Lord talks about here. Doing many "good works" that are absolutely filthy to God, because you do them as a means to retain salvation.
And as far as what you posted regarding God's will; Here it is:
Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work that God requires, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." (John 6:28-29)
There it is. That's the work to receive, and retain, our salvation.
Period.
"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' " (Matthew 7: 22-23)
You're like the ones the Lord talks about here. Doing many "good works" that are absolutely filthy to God, because you do them as a means to retain salvation.
And as far as what you posted regarding God's will; Here it is:
Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work that God requires, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." (John 6:28-29)
There it is. That's the work to receive, and retain, our salvation.
Period.
