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[Budman]

Vigorously? I don't thats quite right the definition of vigorously doesn't match up with that we are told to do.
Giving correction is good however I wouldn't confuse arguing and speaking in a rude manner with correction, correction is teaching with intent to help and if do0ne so in the right way it shines humbleness love and can still a stormy heart.

For the most part i have not seen correction here what I have seen is everyone lashing out attacking each other and many hiding behind the loving correction. But if it's really loving correction it would still the waters not stir it up

Blain, please understand the repercussions of the situation. Those advocating a works-to-keep-salvation are preaching a false gospel. The Bible thus calls them cursed. The refuse any council, and many times just ignore evidence presented to sling out labels as deflection. Or, like HRFTD, he tries to bog things down with pointless word games. Akin to Bill Clinton saying; "It depends on what the definition of "is" is."

One drop of poison in a glass of water poisons the whole glass.

One can start out by asking the money changers to leave the Temple complex, but the time eventually comes when turning over tables becomes necessary.

 

[Blain]

But you do, when you assume that it is the body of Christ tearing itself apart.

No that is not true, the body of Christ the true Christians I know many of them here in cc and sadly I see them attacking each other, I try to remind them who we are called to be I do everything I can to still the waters. How can a kingdom stand if it's against itself?

I know the wheat here and the tares for the most part least

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Blain, please understand the repercussions of the situation. Those advocating a works-to-keep-salvation are preaching a false gospel. The Bible thus calls them cursed. The refuse any council, and many times just ignore evidence presented to sling out labels as deflection. Or, like HRFTD, he tries to bog things down with pointless word games. Akin to Bill Clinton saying; "It depends on what the definition of "is" is."

One drop of poison in a glass of water poisons the whole glass.

One can start out by asking the money changers to leave the Temple complex, but the time eventually comes when turning over tables becomes necessary.

Who's advocating this "works-to-keep-salvation" gospel?
Also, who's advocating this "license to sin" gospel?

The answer is: No one.
It's been said and said again that this is a strawman argument.
Why do we pursue this strawman?

 

[Blain]

Blain, please understand the repercussions of the situation. Those advocating a works-to-keep-salvation are preaching a false gospel. The Bible thus calls them cursed. The refuse any council, and many times just ignore evidence presented to sling out labels as deflection. Or, like HRFTD, he tries to bog things down with pointless word games. Akin to Bill Clinton saying; "It depends on what the definition of "is" is."

One drop of poison in a glass of water poisons the whole glass.

One can start out by asking the money changers to leave the Temple complex, but the time eventually comes when turning over tables becomes necessary.

That is still no excuse for responding in a harsh and rude manner. Why are we Christians? What is Love?

 

[FreeNChrist]

No that is not true, the body of Christ the true Christians I know many of them here in cc and sadly I see them attacking each other, I try to remind them who we are called to be I do everything I can to still the waters. How can a kingdom stand if it's against itself?

I know the wheat here and the tares for the most part least

Well, you just did it again.

 

[FreeNChrist]

That is still no excuse for responding in a harsh and rude manner. Why are we Christians? What is Love?

It's easy to sit on the sidelines and judge those down in the trenches.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Proverbs 15:1 ESV / A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

1 Timothy 6:4 ESV / He is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions,

2 Timothy 2:23-25 ESV / Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

It's easy to sit on the sidelines and judge those down in the trenches.

There you go again -- viewing this thread as if it were a warzone.
Why not view it for what it is: People attempting to better-know Christ?

 

[Blain]

Well, you just did it again.

Would rather I say there is no body of Christ?
The world sees us Christians as liars hypocrites judgmental bible thumpers and for a good reason, for the longest time it seems that many have forgotten what it means to be a Christian and so the world is correct in viewing us like this, the way things are the way we who claim the title Christian are nothing will change.

I believe that Love alone can change things and there is clearly a great lack of love within the body of Christ, So when I became a Christian I swore I would be love above all else I do not seek an ordinary love and relationship with god nor do I seek an ordinary faith. I will go to any lengths I will accept any cost to be love to show who and what love is, if I don't then who will?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Would rather I say there is no body of Christ?
The world sees us Christians as liars hypocrites judgmental bible thumpers and for a good reason, for the longest time it seems that many have forgotten what it means to be a Christian and so the world is correct in viewing us like this, the way things are the way we who claim the title Christian are nothing will change.

I believe that Love alone can change things and there is clearly a great lack of love within the body of Christ, So when I became a Christian I swore I would be love above all else I do not seek an ordinary love and relationship with god nor do I seek an ordinary faith. I will go to any lengths I will accept any cost to be love to show who and what love is, if I don't then who will?

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”


― Mahatma Gandhi

 

[Budman]

Those teaching that salvation is dependent upon stopping one's sinning, are simply mixing Law with Grace. They deny this by saying they are not trying to live by the Law, but the Bible says sin is transgression of the Law.

They then say one cannot "persist" in sin or forfeit their salvation.

Yet, if they commit one sin a day, that's 7 a week, 30 a month, 360 a year. (approx.)

In 5 years they've committed 1800 sins. That's pretty persistent, even at the low end.

To put the final nail in the coffin, the Bible says if you break the Law at even one point (one sin) you've broken every single one of God's Laws.

They simply don't understand the precariousness of their doctrine.

 

[Blain]

It's easy to sit on the sidelines and judge those down in the trenches.

you view me sitting on the side lines? i would say I am on the front lines, even at the risk at having my friends get upset with me when they were in the wrong I humbly corrected them I stood for nikke and I stood for you guys I responded to anything said to me or about me in a humble and caring way.

I am on the front lines with my blade in hand but my blade is not for fighting

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

...there is clearly a great lack of love within the body of Christ, So when I became a Christian I swore I would be love above all else I do not seek an ordinary love and relationship with god nor do I seek an ordinary faith. I will go to any lengths I will accept any cost to be love to show who and what love is, if I don't then who will?

May this also be my prayer. AMEN!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I used to think like HRFTD. But I failed in so many ways. I had virtually ZERO fruit, and much of the bad stuff listed in 1 Corinthians 6 I engaged in even though I hated it.
The Lord has shown me how wrong and stubborn I was. I can't tell you how grateful I am for his discipline and instruction.

Probably not. You were probably following religion when you failed. I have never followed religion. I have always eschewed legalism and religion assiduously, and only followed the spirit. It is only recently that my eyes have been opened to the things that I am speaking about now. It's not that I doing anything differently, but that scripture is much, much clearer now because the seeming contradictions have vanished.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Those teaching that salvation is dependent upon stopping one's sinning, are simply mixing Law with Grace. They deny this by saying they are not trying to live by the Law, but the Bible says sin is transgression of the Law.

They then say one cannot "persist" in sin or forfeit their salvation.

Yet, if they commit one sin a day, that's 7 a week, 30 a month, 360 a year. (approx.)

In 5 years they've committed 1800 sins. That's pretty persistent, even at the low end.

To put the final nail in the coffin, the Bible says if you break the Law at even one point (one sin) you've broken every single one of God's Laws.

They simply don't understand the precariousness of their doctrine.

Would you say there is a distinction between the Law of the OT and Divine Law?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Would rather I say there is no body of Christ?
The world sees us Christians as liars hypocrites judgmental bible thumpers and for a good reason, for the longest time it seems that many have forgotten what it means to be a Christian and so the world is correct in viewing us like this, the way things are the way we who claim the title Christian are nothing will change.

I believe that Love alone can change things and there is clearly a great lack of love within the body of Christ, So when I became a Christian I swore I would be love above all else I do not seek an ordinary love and relationship with god nor do I seek an ordinary faith. I will go to any lengths I will accept any cost to be love to show who and what love is, if I don't then who will?

If the truth sets us free, and it does, then error binds us. Love is not tolerating error, but setting others free with the truth.

 

[Budman]

That is still no excuse for responding in a harsh and rude manner.

As they do?

The harsh reality is this: If they preach a different gospel, then we are not responding to fellow believers - they are not Christians. We are responding to antichrists.

They trample the blood of Jesus underfoot by insisting we must obey the Law to keep our salvation, yet the Bible teaches Christ abolished the Law by taking all sin upon Himself for our complete forgiveness.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Those teaching that salvation is dependent upon stopping one's sinning, are simply mixing Law with Grace. They deny this by saying they are not trying to live by the Law, but the Bible says sin is transgression of the Law.

They then say one cannot "persist" in sin or forfeit their salvation.

Yet, if they commit one sin a day, that's 7 a week, 30 a month, 360 a year. (approx.)

In 5 years they've committed 1800 sins. That's pretty persistent, even at the low end.

To put the final nail in the coffin, the Bible says if you break the Law at even one point (one sin) you've broken every single one of God's Laws.

They simply don't understand the precariousness of their doctrine.

The bible says that the righteous effects (righteous deeds) of the law will be accomplished in those who walk by the spirit. Those who walk by the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of GOD, because GOD doesn't know them.

 

[Budman]

Would you say there is a distinction between the Law of the OT and Divine Law?

Adding anything to the gospel of grace is adding Law - whether old or new.

 

[Blain]

If the truth sets us free, and it does, then error binds us. Love is not tolerating error, but setting others free with the truth.

True but how it is done decides if it was love and if it was to set others free with truth