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[PeacefulWarrior]

Oh?

I call people stupid.

I call people insane

I say they need mental help?

I never answer their questions, and just continually attack them?

please. show proof that I am just as bad.

Can you back your claims? I think people have backed my claims against this person already.

Sure. I will here shortly.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

1. I asked you a simple question yesterday, about how reading something someone who has been dead for centuries can tell you what I believe. You got mad, and said I attacked you ( a few people has attemtped to show you this, You attacked them also)

2. I even asked you to stop responding to me, and answer another gentleman's questions, You got even madder.

3. You have never answered my questions, or even his, and all you have done from that point on is attack me, call me every name in the book, and bear false witness against me.


1. I do not want you banned because you preach a different gospel MANY OF MY FRIENDS IN HERE TEACH A DIFFERENT GOSPEL
2. I questioned why you are still here because all you do is call people names, attack everyone who does not agree with you, and never respond to questions you are asked, This is a bible discussion forum, Not a lets attack anyone who asked us a question about the word of God when it does not line up with my interpretation of said word.

and by the way, Our posts are still available for all to see.. So if you want me to go back and re post them to prove what I just said is right KEEP IT UP!

Nice try, but you missed the mark.
I pray God finishes.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nice try, but you missed the mark.
I pray God finishes.

Not sure what you mean by missed the mark.. But I pray the same, God always need to finish..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you're saying that Grace and Hypergrace are the same?

from what I have read, and heard from people in here who follow hypergrace.

Yes.

I do not just listen to what people say when they try to condemn another group. I like to get my facts from the people themselves.

Should we not all do this?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sure. I will here shortly.

good,

If your going to show where I call people legalists. Please also show where I define what I mean by the term.

 

[Blain]

Blain you show much maturity in your words. Ive read a few things you have written, always full of grace and truth. Such a blessing you are x

Well I had the best teacher as i have said before I have no intention of proving my views and beliefs and doctrines correct, I don't know the main reason and purpose others come to debate but the sword I bear is a blade to encourage to build and uplift to deepen the bonds between God and others it was never for myself.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

To those who are not yet born again, They have to save theselves. The law is the way they have to do it. If they have sin, they are dead to God. The law should show them this, the fact they deny it, or water it down (in the case of legalism) is their problem. but it does not negate the fact, they have sinned, are sinning, and continue to sin, and fall short of Gods glory (perfection)

! ? ! "...they have to save themselves" ? ! ?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Proverbs 21:19
It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.

ROFLOL......

Given that Nikki is likely a female name -- I'm appalled.

 

[thepsalmist]

Given that Nikki is likely a female name -- I'm appalled.

Just to be clear ... I am not singling any one person out here.

I am referring to the general body of posters here ... many and maybe even most.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

! ? ! "...they have to save themselves" ? ! ?

If you rejet being saved by God, what is left? You must try to save yourself.

Where do you think legalism and religion comes from? (even if they deny it)

 

[Blain]

Just to be clear ... I am not singling any one person out here.

I am referring to the general body of posters here ... many and maybe even most.

I am in the same boat, I do not choose sides I stand up for those who need it and try to reason and correct those who need it regardless of who they are

 

[posthuman]

And you are blind. Your Grace only crowd says anything for God is works based Salvation

and you say anyone who rejects a works-based salvation is preaching a "do-nothing gospel" right?

what we have here, is two straw men fighting each other.

 

[Blain]

Just to be clear ... I am not singling any one person out here.

I am referring to the general body of posters here ... many and maybe even most.

The human body is a perfect example of the body of Christ, if the body attacks itself it tears and falls apart.

 

[thepsalmist]

The human body is a perfect example of the body of Christ, if the body attacks itself it tears and falls apart.

Nods ... A house divided against itself cannot stand~

...and everyone in that house gets hurt when it falls.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

From what I see, FreeNChrist and eternally-gratefull have taken sides against Nikki84.

Nikki84 was actually trying to intellectually discuss without "taking sides" -- but these two have pretty much backed Nikki into a corner (unnecessarily).

HeRoseFromTheDead further added to this fire (interestingly enough, eternally-gratefull noticed this and then jumped on their case).

All of indivuals mention above are guilty of breaking TOS by simply being rude (name-calling, inappropriate remarks) to each other.

blue_ladybug further added to this fire.

Valiant further added to this fire and sided against Nikki84 (this was directly after Nikki84 complained that the people in this thread were being "club-like" and intollerant of alternate views). Valiant used worthless words to call Nikki a fool.

Eternally-gratefull continued argument (and petty remarks) towards HeRoseFromTheDead.

Blain enters and immediately positions himself against Nikki84.

*FreeNChrist disagrees and challenges those who attempt to show love towards Nikki84 (PeterJens).

Nikki84 remains mostly unwilling to discuss because Nikki84 still feels like the outcast. Rightfully so--a vast majority of people have drawn a line and dug their trenches. It's too bad we view this forum as a warzone as opposed to a loving-each-other zone.

The problem as I see it, the grace only crowd would call righteous conduct a "works based salvation".

We are saved FOR righteous conduct/good works; not by righteous conduct/good works. Big difference.

Please tell them that. They, imo, think any work for God is not warrented. From what I have witnessed here with this new gospel is its a do nothing gospel. I don't get it. Any move to do Gods will seems like evil to them. I can't understand it.

Only if you listen to people like herosefromthedead, and other people who lie about what we believe.

No sir, i have seen it here. I'm trying to understand this phenomenon and you and your friends ganged up on me. Further proof I need to stay away from this false gospel.

Dude all I did was ask you a question. and you are still attacking people. not responding to them

I did not gang up on you.

These guys your condemning, they do not teach what you believe.

History is only as good as scripture supports it.

History will not tell you what I believe, Or what other people in here believe.

Your misusing history to keep your own belief in tact. That's not a good use of history..

The jews tried that, They crucified Christ because of it. (that and extra-biblical writings not inspired by God)

oh and by the way, Rom 3: 23/ Does that not say no one is qualified.

Why did you not answer my post?

So, you have not read any dead authors? Why am I wasting time with an extremely limited person telling me I'm wrong? I'm not responding to your self expressed ignorance

It seems here that Nikki84's frustration has caused the conversation to deteriorate--much to the point of her/him not being able to reasonably discuss because she/he is still stuck on being hurt.

Neither party has understood the other and so they are both stuck in this loop of misunderstanding and frustration.

How did both Nikki84 and Eternally-gratefull both end up feeling "attacked"? I can easily see how Nikki84 felt attacked (virtually no one supported her/his position--I wish I had understood her/his postion earlier, for I would have supported).

Posthuman shows he fully understands the situation here.


Meanwhile, Budman has begun attacking HeRoseFromTheDead. HeRoseFromTheDead returns fire.

My suggestion: Refrain from the short, petty remarks and weightless accusations. Attempt to understand another's point of view before you attack their point of view. Try hard, to show love. I will be working on myself and praying God continues to do His work(s) in me.

 

[FreeNChrist]

The human body is a perfect example of the body of Christ, if the body attacks itself it tears and falls apart.

You're making a huge assumption. Wheat AND tares. Truth matters.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I am in the same boat, I do not choose sides I stand up for those who need it and try to reason and correct those who need it regardless of who they are

^ More of this on CC! Amen!

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

and you say anyone who rejects a works-based salvation is preaching a "do-nothing gospel" right?

what we have here, is two straw men fighting each other.

^ Sees the forest for the trees. More of this on CC! Amen!

 

[Blain]

You're making a huge assumption. Wheat AND tares. Truth matters.

I wasn't talking about the the truth no assumption on my part.
The truth does matter yes but it's how you speak and represent the truth that make the difference.
all it takes it seems is a difference in views a difference in understanding of doctrines to make a brother and a sister in Christ attack each other call each other names say mean and unfair things, this is what I was talking about. It does no good to try to speak the truth if you don't do it in a mature calm patient and humble loving way.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

You're making a huge assumption. Wheat AND tares. Truth matters.

What's the assumption that was made?
What do you mean by wheat and tares (emphasis on the "and")?
What is the point in stating "Truth matters"?

- These are the kind of questions to address in a response. Otherwise, your response is very confusing, can be taken the wrong way, and holds little value!