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That might have been a bit 'snarky' PW,
Seeing how he IS British.
It doesn't bother me so much, but you HAVE
at times, corrected others for being humorously sarcastic.
Just sayin'.
But anyway...
I DO get what you're saying reeterJens post.
I try hard to understand where he's coming from,
and where he's going, too, but often find myself
going, HUNH?!
I don't mean to be mean, lol, I just don't get him!
God bless you, PeacefulWarrior...old friend!
(and GBU too, PeterJens!)
Seeing how he IS British.
It doesn't bother me so much, but you HAVE
at times, corrected others for being humorously sarcastic.
Just sayin'.
But anyway...I DO get what you're saying re
eterJens post.I try hard to understand where he's coming from,
and where he's going, too, but often find myself
going, HUNH?!
I don't mean to be mean, lol, I just don't get him!
God bless you, PeacefulWarrior...old friend!
(and GBU too, PeterJens!)
I just don't understand why the guy keeps posting new stuff without first clarifying old stuff--especially since people are saying they don't understand him. Ah well, life goes on.
Because I am not responding to anyone specifically......just posting out scripture......so I don't see what someone I have put on ignore has posted unless I checked to see if they have changed their behavior....I can however see their posts in other peoples post if they quote them..if you know what I mean..
...so I don't see what someone I have put on ignore has posted unless I checked to see if they have changed their behavior....I can however see their posts in other peoples post if they quote them..if you know what I mean..
What does any of this have to do with keeping things in proper order when you respond?
Got to say, EG, you never change.
The grace crowd are those suggesting they know the magic pill of truth, the hidden knowledge that unlocks the scriptures.
There are as many theories and theological ideas as their are believers on this planet.
It does not make them true. The anchor in life is simple. Sin is bad evil behaviour, the righteousness is good, upbuilding behaviour. Once you distort these boundaries you have gone wrong. It is why Nineveh repented and found forgiveness, why the Jews responded to John the Baptist and has been why people come to Christ for thousands of years.
A key failure is when people start saying repent like this and not like that, believe this version of Christs work and not that version. Christ is blunt and simple, love, naked, raw, exposed dying because of our sin. It is in this raw emotion and life we are to walk, in similar openness and vulnerability. If you start to close down, shut out, deny, block Jesus's work in your heart, you have just shut out the King of Kings. It is through this communion we gain life.
If you cannot accept people who walk like this are followers of Jesus you do not know Jesus.
The grace crowd are those suggesting they know the magic pill of truth, the hidden knowledge that unlocks the scriptures.
There are as many theories and theological ideas as their are believers on this planet.
It does not make them true. The anchor in life is simple. Sin is bad evil behaviour, the righteousness is good, upbuilding behaviour. Once you distort these boundaries you have gone wrong. It is why Nineveh repented and found forgiveness, why the Jews responded to John the Baptist and has been why people come to Christ for thousands of years.
A key failure is when people start saying repent like this and not like that, believe this version of Christs work and not that version. Christ is blunt and simple, love, naked, raw, exposed dying because of our sin. It is in this raw emotion and life we are to walk, in similar openness and vulnerability. If you start to close down, shut out, deny, block Jesus's work in your heart, you have just shut out the King of Kings. It is through this communion we gain life.
If you cannot accept people who walk like this are followers of Jesus you do not know Jesus.
What you might not get, is there is no clear version of anything, just perspectives. If you analyse too much you think there is a point of arrival, when it is always a journey. Everyone has an element of truth, and life experience that makes their position consistent, especially to themselves.
Some here continually repeat the same points without foundation, because it is just their mantra. What I have learnt is all statements are just tests, ideas, propositions which over time expose people for their real balance of ideas.
Some close off to the challenge because all they can hear is their own voice and people who they agree with. I would rather listen to everyone and discover what the truth is. Unfortunately sometimes my ideas come out too fast and I refine a point, but actually confuse it. But hey that is the experience. Does this make sense to you?
Some here continually repeat the same points without foundation, because it is just their mantra. What I have learnt is all statements are just tests, ideas, propositions which over time expose people for their real balance of ideas.
Some close off to the challenge because all they can hear is their own voice and people who they agree with. I would rather listen to everyone and discover what the truth is. Unfortunately sometimes my ideas come out too fast and I refine a point, but actually confuse it. But hey that is the experience. Does this make sense to you?
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Actually I did, I have, and I may yet change some more.
But you have given me no reason to change.. Why would I want to put myself back where you are?
Paul said God has revealed the hidden words, the mystery to us, or is that hidden from you? It is there for you to see.
Yeah but there are three gospels.
1. Legalism
2. Faith
3. Licentiousness
And all those differing theories or theologies would fall under one of those categories.
Then why seek Christ, All I have to do is be good, and stop sin and I am in.
Thats what you are saying,,
Here is your main problem.
I can be a moraly good person according to a law.
yet lack completely the ability to love
My morally good nature was then useless in the grand scheme of things, Because, nothing i did was out of love it was all out of self righteousness...
Morally good.. Yet unrighteous..
The bible speaks of it often.
I will never accept anyone who rejects the grace of Christ and tries to insert their own righteousness is a follower of God, Any more than I wouldl accept a pharisee was a follower of God..
And neither should you. No matter how moral, or righteous they appear to be on the outside. Because inside, is filthy and unclean.
If God does not clean you, Your dirty, no matter how good you look on the outside.
But you have given me no reason to change.. Why would I want to put myself back where you are?
Paul said God has revealed the hidden words, the mystery to us, or is that hidden from you? It is there for you to see.
Yeah but there are three gospels.
1. Legalism
2. Faith
3. Licentiousness
And all those differing theories or theologies would fall under one of those categories.
Then why seek Christ, All I have to do is be good, and stop sin and I am in.
Thats what you are saying,,
Here is your main problem.
I can be a moraly good person according to a law.
yet lack completely the ability to love
My morally good nature was then useless in the grand scheme of things, Because, nothing i did was out of love it was all out of self righteousness...
Morally good.. Yet unrighteous..
The bible speaks of it often.
I will never accept anyone who rejects the grace of Christ and tries to insert their own righteousness is a follower of God, Any more than I wouldl accept a pharisee was a follower of God..
And neither should you. No matter how moral, or righteous they appear to be on the outside. Because inside, is filthy and unclean.
If God does not clean you, Your dirty, no matter how good you look on the outside.
I dont see Paul being still a sinner though.
1 Ti 1:13
Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy,
because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Chief of sinners, and least of the apostles on the basis of what he was "before"
1 Cr 15:9
For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle,
because I persecuted the church of God.
But as Paul (who "was before" these things) says,
but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Even though Paul says I am least of the apostles that am not meet to be called an apostle
he references that place where he "was yet" doing so.
Acts 9:1
And Saul, "YET" breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord,
went unto the high priest
So in Acts 9:1 Saul was "YET" doing what he considered himself least of the apostles for
But Paul was no longer a blasphemer, and a persecutor, or injurious.
He "was before" though
Here is "yet" again
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us,
in that, while we "were YET" sinners, Christ died for us.
Of whom Paul says, "I am Chief"
Paul says for that cause he obtained mercy as that is who Christ come for (sinners) of whom he saw himself as Chief for the reasons he gave. He also said, in him first Jesus might shew forth all longsuffering for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Who went from persecutor of the church to apostle master builder.
1 Ti 1:13
Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy,
because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Chief of sinners, and least of the apostles on the basis of what he was "before"
1 Cr 15:9
For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle,
because I persecuted the church of God.
But as Paul (who "was before" these things) says,
but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Even though Paul says I am least of the apostles that am not meet to be called an apostle
he references that place where he "was yet" doing so.
Acts 9:1
And Saul, "YET" breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord,
went unto the high priest
So in Acts 9:1 Saul was "YET" doing what he considered himself least of the apostles for
But Paul was no longer a blasphemer, and a persecutor, or injurious.
He "was before" though
Here is "yet" again
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us,
in that, while we "were YET" sinners, Christ died for us.
Of whom Paul says, "I am Chief"
Paul says for that cause he obtained mercy as that is who Christ come for (sinners) of whom he saw himself as Chief for the reasons he gave. He also said, in him first Jesus might shew forth all longsuffering for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Who went from persecutor of the church to apostle master builder.
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6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledgeor prophecy or word of instruction?7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes?8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 1 cor 14
It is better to speak one line clearly, that all may understand, than to give a full dissertation of unclear speech.
I'm sorry Peter ... but although I would like to know where you're coming from, I too usually get lost in your verbatim. Maybe you could try offering your thoughts a spoonful at a time. That way you can read and re-read what you have written before posting it. Such diligence might help me to understand what you're trying to convey.
Regards~
It is better to speak one line clearly, that all may understand, than to give a full dissertation of unclear speech.
I'm sorry Peter ... but although I would like to know where you're coming from, I too usually get lost in your verbatim. Maybe you could try offering your thoughts a spoonful at a time. That way you can read and re-read what you have written before posting it. Such diligence might help me to understand what you're trying to convey.
Regards~
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In this post in general, and this statement in particular, you dismiss a statement made with scripture. The word of God is fact. Not idea. Not test. Not proposition. Fact.
But there is a good deal of truth in some of what you say. People cling to what they have been raised with, what they have been taught, what a man they or someone they admire, esteem.
The word of God is the only measuring stick. If someone contradicts it they are not speaking on God's behalf. They are not ambassadors of Christ as they are told to be. There is so much distortion here it is unreal. So much scripture perversion it is sickening. A doctrine must never contradict other scripture. If it does, it is not bible doctrine. It is doctrine from man. And it happens with disturbing frequency on this forum.
Which is why my posts of late seem to be negative for the most part. You cannot endorse or abide false doctrine. Yet it occurs here many times a day. Disgusting for someone to claim to be saved all while twisting scripture "to their own destruction". Doing something that is destructive is not the way to heaven.
But there is a good deal of truth in some of what you say. People cling to what they have been raised with, what they have been taught, what a man they or someone they admire, esteem.
The word of God is the only measuring stick. If someone contradicts it they are not speaking on God's behalf. They are not ambassadors of Christ as they are told to be. There is so much distortion here it is unreal. So much scripture perversion it is sickening. A doctrine must never contradict other scripture. If it does, it is not bible doctrine. It is doctrine from man. And it happens with disturbing frequency on this forum.
Which is why my posts of late seem to be negative for the most part. You cannot endorse or abide false doctrine. Yet it occurs here many times a day. Disgusting for someone to claim to be saved all while twisting scripture "to their own destruction". Doing something that is destructive is not the way to heaven.
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"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Gen 2:17)
Troubling:
- God knew what would happen if Man ate the fruit, yet he created this tree.
Interesting:
- This death is instant; there is no delay.
-- Since we know Adam still walked the Earth many years after eating the fruit, we know that there must be a separation between the spiritual man and the carnal/flesh man. (HeRoseFromTheDead)
Makes me wonder:
- Did the struggle of Good and Evil exist prior to the events as recorded in Genesis?
(Reminded of John 1:1-5)
Troubling:
- God knew what would happen if Man ate the fruit, yet he created this tree.
Interesting:
- This death is instant; there is no delay.
-- Since we know Adam still walked the Earth many years after eating the fruit, we know that there must be a separation between the spiritual man and the carnal/flesh man. (HeRoseFromTheDead)
Makes me wonder:
- Did the struggle of Good and Evil exist prior to the events as recorded in Genesis?
(Reminded of John 1:1-5)
I agree with you...
You never find an epistle starting with " To all the sinners at Colossae, Ephesus, Rome, Corinthians"...or when Paul wrote to others and said "Greet all the sinners at your house"... Paul was simply starting that is a world where we all were sinners...he was the chief for persecuting the saints...Jesus.
You never find an epistle starting with " To all the sinners at Colossae, Ephesus, Rome, Corinthians"...or when Paul wrote to others and said "Greet all the sinners at your house"... Paul was simply starting that is a world where we all were sinners...he was the chief for persecuting the saints...Jesus.
Because I am not responding to anyone specifically......just posting out scripture......so I don't see what someone I have put on ignore has posted unless I checked to see if they have changed their behavior....I can however see their posts in other peoples post if they quote them..if you know what I mean..
...so I don't see what someone I have put on ignore has posted unless I checked to see if they have changed their behavior....I can however see their posts in other peoples post if they quote them..if you know what I mean..
I don't usually disagree with your posts. I do find your colored text, and very small text quite annoying.
Guys, I talk to people in my church about EG and the points I am making. They literally have no understanding how someone can ignore the obvious statements of faith in Christ, and yet repeat an obvious set of statements in regard to self-righteousness and self justification. I only can assume a heart of stone, and no emotional response. He sincerely believes I am the enemy and nothing I am saying actually goes in, because to me this is just nuts. It is not even communication.
But then this is the internet, and certain peoples approach is just to wind-up others like a troll. I suspect that is the only weapon they have because they are not capable of proper discussion or theology because it would mean changing something they are.
One person used the term, I would never be a "christian". What worried me was why they hated this term so much.
But then this is the internet, and certain peoples approach is just to wind-up others like a troll. I suspect that is the only weapon they have because they are not capable of proper discussion or theology because it would mean changing something they are.
One person used the term, I would never be a "christian". What worried me was why they hated this term so much.
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1 Timothy 1:15
'This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS; of whom i AM chief. Paul himself said he was chief sinner. Not 'was' but 'AM'. You can try to wiggle around with the word 'yet' all you want, but Paul stated in present tense (not past tense) that he was a sinner.
Or how about Romans 7:19?
'I want to do what is good, but i don't. I don't want to do what is wrong, but i do it anyway'
Once again, his words are present tense, not past tense.
'This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS; of whom i AM chief. Paul himself said he was chief sinner. Not 'was' but 'AM'. You can try to wiggle around with the word 'yet' all you want, but Paul stated in present tense (not past tense) that he was a sinner.
Or how about Romans 7:19?
'I want to do what is good, but i don't. I don't want to do what is wrong, but i do it anyway'
Once again, his words are present tense, not past tense.