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There is a gap of time in between the purple and green phrases:
Isa 61:1-2
61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
KJV
purple = Jesus' 1st coming
green = Jesus' 2nd coming on the "day of the Lord"
Dan 12:1-2
12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
KJV
purple = war in Heaven, Satan cast to earth, tribulation
green = "day of the Lord" timing at end of tribulation, John 5:28-29
Isa 61:1-2
61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
KJV
purple = Jesus' 1st coming
green = Jesus' 2nd coming on the "day of the Lord"
Dan 12:1-2
12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
KJV
purple = war in Heaven, Satan cast to earth, tribulation
green = "day of the Lord" timing at end of tribulation, John 5:28-29
Hi GaryA,
Understand this, an angel asks the question of who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll. But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth is worthy to break the seals or open the scroll. The Lamb, Jesus, is found worthy to open the scroll and that because he purchased mankind for God with his blood. The scroll contains the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which are the wrath of God and not just the bowls. In fact each set of judgments are referred to God's wrath.
Announced at the 6th seal:
"They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[SUP]f[/SUP] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” (Rev.6:16)
After the 7th trumpet is sounded:
"We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign. The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small—and for destroying those who destroy the earth."
Seven Bowl Judgments:
"I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed." (Rev.15:1)
If the seven bowl judgments are last and complete God's wrath, that would demonstrate that there would have to be wrath that took place before them, those being the seals and trumpets. As can be seen from above, God's wrath is mentioned in each set of judgments, which includes a fourth of the earths inhabitants who will be killed as a result of the 4th seal. Based on our current population of 7 billion, a fourth would equal 1.7 billion people. The fact that Jesus is the One opening the seals, which leads into the trumpets, which leads into the bowls, demonstrates that Jesus is carrying out the wrath of God just as scripture states:
" He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty."
In your list, you have the resurrection and catching away taking place after the 7th trumpet. Please provide the scriptures that show where the resurrection and catching away are taking place within the trumpet judgments.
Also, you have the great tribulation beginning with the 1st trumpet, when scripture is clear that the 7th trumpet takes place in the middle of the seven years, which is when the war in heaven takes place and Satan and angels are cast to the earth, which is also the 3rd woe. As I said previously, the way we know that the 7th trumpet is sounded in the middle of the seven years is because, the dragon/Satan goes after the woman as soon as he is cast to the earth and the woman is cared for out in the desert for 1,260 days, which are those last 3 1/2 years of the seven year period until Christ returns.
Understand this, an angel asks the question of who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll. But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth is worthy to break the seals or open the scroll. The Lamb, Jesus, is found worthy to open the scroll and that because he purchased mankind for God with his blood. The scroll contains the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which are the wrath of God and not just the bowls. In fact each set of judgments are referred to God's wrath.
Announced at the 6th seal:
"They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[SUP]f[/SUP] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” (Rev.6:16)
After the 7th trumpet is sounded:
"We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign. The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small—and for destroying those who destroy the earth."
Seven Bowl Judgments:
"I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed." (Rev.15:1)
If the seven bowl judgments are last and complete God's wrath, that would demonstrate that there would have to be wrath that took place before them, those being the seals and trumpets. As can be seen from above, God's wrath is mentioned in each set of judgments, which includes a fourth of the earths inhabitants who will be killed as a result of the 4th seal. Based on our current population of 7 billion, a fourth would equal 1.7 billion people. The fact that Jesus is the One opening the seals, which leads into the trumpets, which leads into the bowls, demonstrates that Jesus is carrying out the wrath of God just as scripture states:
" He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty."
In your list, you have the resurrection and catching away taking place after the 7th trumpet. Please provide the scriptures that show where the resurrection and catching away are taking place within the trumpet judgments.
Also, you have the great tribulation beginning with the 1st trumpet, when scripture is clear that the 7th trumpet takes place in the middle of the seven years, which is when the war in heaven takes place and Satan and angels are cast to the earth, which is also the 3rd woe. As I said previously, the way we know that the 7th trumpet is sounded in the middle of the seven years is because, the dragon/Satan goes after the woman as soon as he is cast to the earth and the woman is cared for out in the desert for 1,260 days, which are those last 3 1/2 years of the seven year period until Christ returns.
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Rev.16:15-17 shows the battle of Armageddon happens on the final 7th Vial being poured out into the air. Rev.16:15 shows even on the 6th Vial, our Lord Jesus has not yet come to gather His Church and is still warning His Church on earth.
The OT prophets, Apostles Paul and Peter showed the "day of the Lord" event will only happen on the final day of this world, ending the great tribulation. The "as a thief in the night" phrase both Paul and Peter linked to the timing of the "day of the Lord". Jesus said He comes "as a thief" with the 7th Vial getting ready to be poured out upon the earth.
Thusly, these following events all occur on the same day, likely within the same hour:
"day of the Lord"
"as a thief in the night"
Jesus coming to destroy that Wicked "with the brightness of His coming"
the 7th Trumpet
the 7th Vial
the 6th Seal latter part
gathering of His Church
Armageddon
battle to create Hamongog
God's consuming fire burning man's works off the earth
The OT prophets, Apostles Paul and Peter showed the "day of the Lord" event will only happen on the final day of this world, ending the great tribulation. The "as a thief in the night" phrase both Paul and Peter linked to the timing of the "day of the Lord". Jesus said He comes "as a thief" with the 7th Vial getting ready to be poured out upon the earth.
Thusly, these following events all occur on the same day, likely within the same hour:
"day of the Lord"
"as a thief in the night"
Jesus coming to destroy that Wicked "with the brightness of His coming"
the 7th Trumpet
the 7th Vial
the 6th Seal latter part
gathering of His Church
Armageddon
battle to create Hamongog
God's consuming fire burning man's works off the earth
There are seven angels, each with a vial:
Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth.”
But Christ is referred to in Rev 18 as an angel (which can mean "messenger") too.
18 After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen...
There is only one angel who "illuminates the earth with His glory." Thus this angel proclaiming that Babylon (ISLAM) has fallen is Christ.
Now, could Christ be the final or 7th angel? Well, the timing works. Christ clearly has not returned as of the 6th vial as we see that the warning of His coming is given in Rev 16:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
Christ comes as a thief. We know this from other passages.
Then we have the gathering to Armageddon:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
Now we have the 7th vial.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done!”
Notice where this angel pours his bowl. "Into the Air" The other angels poured their bowls (on the):
1) earth
2) sea
3) rivers and springs of water
4) sun
5) throne of the beast
6) great river Euphrates
When the trumpets sounded, where was the action?
1) earth
2) sea
3) rivers and springs of water
4) sun
5) throne of the beast
6) great river Euphrates
If you read closely you will see that the trumpets affect 1/3 of things where the bowls affect the rest or 2/3.
2/3 is how much more than 1/3? Simple math. It is twice or double.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her.
Repay double. So, the Bowls of Wrath are repaying the Trumpets double affecting exactly the same things. Back to the 7th Bowl which I think is poured out by Christ. This bowl is poured "into the air."
"Into the Air" - 109 AER; from aemi (to breathe unconsciously), i.e. respire; by anal. to blow); air "air" (as naturally circumambient);-air. Comp. 5594
Isn't this fascinating? What does Paul teach?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
This "in the air" is the same 109 AER.
Therefore the 7th Vial is the "rapture" or catching up, or meeting in the AER. Therefore the timing of the Rapture is now known. It happens after the Tribulation, happens once and happens at the Second Coming at the final bowl of wrath!!
Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth.”
But Christ is referred to in Rev 18 as an angel (which can mean "messenger") too.
18 After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen...
There is only one angel who "illuminates the earth with His glory." Thus this angel proclaiming that Babylon (ISLAM) has fallen is Christ.
Now, could Christ be the final or 7th angel? Well, the timing works. Christ clearly has not returned as of the 6th vial as we see that the warning of His coming is given in Rev 16:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
Christ comes as a thief. We know this from other passages.
Then we have the gathering to Armageddon:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
Now we have the 7th vial.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done!”
Notice where this angel pours his bowl. "Into the Air" The other angels poured their bowls (on the):
1) earth
2) sea
3) rivers and springs of water
4) sun
5) throne of the beast
6) great river Euphrates
When the trumpets sounded, where was the action?
1) earth
2) sea
3) rivers and springs of water
4) sun
5) throne of the beast
6) great river Euphrates
If you read closely you will see that the trumpets affect 1/3 of things where the bowls affect the rest or 2/3.
2/3 is how much more than 1/3? Simple math. It is twice or double.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her.
Repay double. So, the Bowls of Wrath are repaying the Trumpets double affecting exactly the same things. Back to the 7th Bowl which I think is poured out by Christ. This bowl is poured "into the air."
"Into the Air" - 109 AER; from aemi (to breathe unconsciously), i.e. respire; by anal. to blow); air "air" (as naturally circumambient);-air. Comp. 5594
Isn't this fascinating? What does Paul teach?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
This "in the air" is the same 109 AER.
Therefore the 7th Vial is the "rapture" or catching up, or meeting in the AER. Therefore the timing of the Rapture is now known. It happens after the Tribulation, happens once and happens at the Second Coming at the final bowl of wrath!!
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[SUP]"17 [/SUP]Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done!”
Rev 1:1
1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
KJV
Rev 22:16
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
KJV
Rev 22:8-9
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
KJV
Rev 1:1
1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
KJV
Rev 22:16
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
KJV
Rev 22:8-9
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
KJV
If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.
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And what i am asking is attainable. If there is something in the time line that is contrary to Scriptures then i want to know about that. i do not want to know that something in the timeline is contrary to what you believe is the Truth, based on your own interpretations
Sorry, i do not know what even one of those fancy words mean. But i do know That 95% of the timeline given above is the TRUTH, because it did not come from man, nor from the minds of men, but was given to me by God. The whole reason i presented this post, is so that everyone who viewed it, will not be able to plead ignorance to the TRUTH, because they have seen the TRUTH and have rejected that TRUTH. In an attempt to get people to realize that it is the TRUTH, i challenged people to find anything in the timeline that contradicts Scriptures. They can't because it is the TRUTH and there are no Scriptures which contradict what is in the timeline. What is in the timeline, is the TRUTH, given to me by God. If i lie, let me burn in Hell fire forever and ever.
Nothing in the timeline contradicts Scriptures, it only contradicts mens interpretations of the Scriptures.
And as to who is correct. They are not, i am not, but He who told me these things does not lie, and He is CORRECT. regardless how many people in this generation rejects the TRUTH when it is presented to them. And they reject it, NOT because it contradicts Scriptures, but because it contradicts what they themselves believe is the TRUTH.
So you think it is all about me DiscipleDave getting the pat on the back as being right huh? You think that what i seek is credit for the Timeline, is that it? But have i not plainly said it is not from me, but from God. If i take credit at all, it is namely this, that God chose me to relay what He has told me to a world that will reject it. He even told me the world will reject it. i asked Him during that particular conversation, then why even tell the world? So they will have no cloak for their sins, and will not be able to plead ignorance on the day of Judgment. i can care less if you believe me or not, i am nobody. But you better believe Him who told me these things, because if you don't, then it is God that you do not believe.
i know why God gave us this information, so in the last days He will tell certain what that information is, to a generation that will not hearken to that TRUTH, but to a generation that would rather listen to and believe the teachings that come from men (limited brains) instead of someone claiming to get this knowledge from God (All Knowledge). And as i have said many time, it is written to try the spirits to see what sort they are, if then i teach anything that is contrary to Scriptures, then do not believe it, and call me false and a false prophet. But if what i teach does not contradict even one verse in Scriptures it would behoove you to believe it. NOT to believe me, but to believe the words which He told me.
The chart is the TRUTH, it is not theology. i presented this TRUTH in an attempt to get people to be like the Bereans and search the Scriptures to see if what is in the chart is correct or not. But the world we live in today are not like the Bereans, therefore they will Judge this generation.
And yet i have yet to see one verse that contradicts anything in the chart, which is my point exactly, there isn't any verse that contradicts Scriptures, and if there was one person out there with the mind of the Bereans, they would come to the conclusion that it very well may be TRUE. But not this generation, this generation looks at the chart, and sees something that does not line up with their own belief of what the TRUTH is, and immediately goes on to the next thread. These do not seek the TRUTH of God, they already think they know it.
What i give in the chart, is the TRUTH, and i say it is what God told me. Therefore show any Scripture that contradicts anything in the chart, then you can call me a liar, and a false prophet. But you can't, i know you can't because God does not contradict Himself. What He told me lines up with Scriptures perfectly, because He is God and He is NEVER wrong.
So if you do not believe the chart above, it is not me that you disagree with, even though you deceive your own selves in telling yourself that it is me. But you disagree with God who told me these things.
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At Rev.16:15, which is STILL 6th Vial timing, our Lord Jesus warns His Church of His coming "as a thief". It does NOT state His coming was on that 6th Vial. He is pointing to the next Vial event, the 7th final Vial.
When God's pours out His cup of fierce anger upon the wicked on the last day, that is the final 7th VIAL, and is when our Lord Jesus comes to gather His Church on earth, bringing the asleep saints with Him when He comes, and He and all His servants then immediately go to Jerusalem, with His feet touching down upon the Mount of Olives per Zech.14.
That event is about Paul's "last trump" when those on earth are changed "at the twinkling of an eye", instantly, which is also the exact timing of the "sudden destruction" of God cup of wrath upon the wicked (1 Thess.5). That is...all about the "day of the Lord", the final day of this world. It also accompanies God's consuming fire that will burn all of man's works off this earth on that final day, per 2 Pet.3:10.
God in the OT prophets like Isaiah, also described that "day of the Lord" will happen "suddenly, at an instant" (Isaiah 29). That was one of the Scriptures Apostle Paul was pulling from in the 1 Thess.5 chapter.
When God's pours out His cup of fierce anger upon the wicked on the last day, that is the final 7th VIAL, and is when our Lord Jesus comes to gather His Church on earth, bringing the asleep saints with Him when He comes, and He and all His servants then immediately go to Jerusalem, with His feet touching down upon the Mount of Olives per Zech.14.
That event is about Paul's "last trump" when those on earth are changed "at the twinkling of an eye", instantly, which is also the exact timing of the "sudden destruction" of God cup of wrath upon the wicked (1 Thess.5). That is...all about the "day of the Lord", the final day of this world. It also accompanies God's consuming fire that will burn all of man's works off this earth on that final day, per 2 Pet.3:10.
God in the OT prophets like Isaiah, also described that "day of the Lord" will happen "suddenly, at an instant" (Isaiah 29). That was one of the Scriptures Apostle Paul was pulling from in the 1 Thess.5 chapter.
No pre-trib is not Scriptural.
lol and post-trib is written in God's Word. Mid-trib is not a doctrine of men, but is what the Scriptures plainly teach. 7 seals are opened, 7 trumpets are blown, at the 7th Trumpet sounding the Church is Raptured, then AFTER the 7th Trumpet sounding the 7 vials/bowls are poured out. The Tribulation Period includes the Trumpets and the vials. So Scriptures plainly teach a mid Tribulation, children could understand that. 7 seals opened, then 7 Trumpet blown, then 7 vials are poured out. Christ Comes at the last Trumpet sounding. Plain, Simple, and 100% what Scriptures teach. But leave it to this generation to not believe the Scriptures and what they plainly teach. No there has to be some kind of hidden code, hidden meaning, a secret that has to be broken, figured out, so someone can come to the TRUTH. lol children could understand this TRUTH. 7 Seals, then 7 Trumpets, the 7 vials. During those wraths of God, at the 7th Trumpet Christ Returns. Simple.
Agreed, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with the Tribulation Period now does it? That verse is very specific to what must take place prior to Christ getting the Church. It has absolutely nothing to do with teaching that it is before, during, or after the Tribulation Period. That verse is only specific to what must take place prior to Christ Returning, and nothing to do with what takes place afterwards.
Nothing to do with the Timing of the Tribulation Period.
Says NOTHING about what happens AFTER His Return now does it?
Who said otherwise? But what has that to do with the Tribulation Period After He arrives. At the 7th Trumpet, Christ returns, and the reign of the Beast ceases, by His Brightness. Not only the reign of the Beast but all kings cease to reign when Christ gets here. All this is True, but that does not mean Tribulation Period is over. When Christ gets here to reign as King over all Kings of the Earth, He has to still wipe out all the wicked off the face of the Earth, this is accomplished by the pouring out of the 7 vials upon the Earth AFTER He gets here setting up His Kingdom on Earth. my point is, just because the Beast stops reigning because of Jesus, does not mean ( as you are assuming) the Tribulation Period is over just because Jesus shows up and takes His Church. You are assuming this, and it is not correct.
sigh..... Jesus Returns on the 7th Trumpet. When the 7th Trumpet is blown is when the Temple in Heaven is opened, when that Temple is opened, it is at that time the 7 angels comes out of that Temple having the last 7 plagues to pour out on the Earth. Jesus comes at the last Trumpet sounding, then the 7 vials are poured out AFTER that. This is what Scriptures plainly teach.
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lol and post-trib is written in God's Word. Mid-trib is not a doctrine of men, but is what the Scriptures plainly teach. 7 seals are opened, 7 trumpets are blown, at the 7th Trumpet sounding the Church is Raptured, then AFTER the 7th Trumpet sounding the 7 vials/bowls are poured out. The Tribulation Period includes the Trumpets and the vials. So Scriptures plainly teach a mid Tribulation, children could understand that. 7 seals opened, then 7 Trumpet blown, then 7 vials are poured out. Christ Comes at the last Trumpet sounding. Plain, Simple, and 100% what Scriptures teach. But leave it to this generation to not believe the Scriptures and what they plainly teach. No there has to be some kind of hidden code, hidden meaning, a secret that has to be broken, figured out, so someone can come to the TRUTH. lol children could understand this TRUTH. 7 Seals, then 7 Trumpets, the 7 vials. During those wraths of God, at the 7th Trumpet Christ Returns. Simple.
Agreed, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with the Tribulation Period now does it? That verse is very specific to what must take place prior to Christ getting the Church. It has absolutely nothing to do with teaching that it is before, during, or after the Tribulation Period. That verse is only specific to what must take place prior to Christ Returning, and nothing to do with what takes place afterwards.
Nothing to do with the Timing of the Tribulation Period.
Says NOTHING about what happens AFTER His Return now does it?
Who said otherwise? But what has that to do with the Tribulation Period After He arrives. At the 7th Trumpet, Christ returns, and the reign of the Beast ceases, by His Brightness. Not only the reign of the Beast but all kings cease to reign when Christ gets here. All this is True, but that does not mean Tribulation Period is over. When Christ gets here to reign as King over all Kings of the Earth, He has to still wipe out all the wicked off the face of the Earth, this is accomplished by the pouring out of the 7 vials upon the Earth AFTER He gets here setting up His Kingdom on Earth. my point is, just because the Beast stops reigning because of Jesus, does not mean ( as you are assuming) the Tribulation Period is over just because Jesus shows up and takes His Church. You are assuming this, and it is not correct.
sigh..... Jesus Returns on the 7th Trumpet. When the 7th Trumpet is blown is when the Temple in Heaven is opened, when that Temple is opened, it is at that time the 7 angels comes out of that Temple having the last 7 plagues to pour out on the Earth. Jesus comes at the last Trumpet sounding, then the 7 vials are poured out AFTER that. This is what Scriptures plainly teach.
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Zechariah 6:
[SUP]12[/SUP] And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: [SUP]13[/SUP] Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
This 'temple of the LORD' is talking about the 'spiritual' temple - not a 'physical' one...
[SUP]12[/SUP] And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: [SUP]13[/SUP] Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
This 'temple of the LORD' is talking about the 'spiritual' temple - not a 'physical' one...
Jesus is the Branch. Jesus goes into Heaven to prepare a place for us. That Place is the New City Jerusalem. The Holy City is the Temple of God. and the Throne of God is in the Temple. All this is revealed in Scriptures.
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Here is what God told me.
There are 7 seals that are opened
then there will be 7 trumpets that are blown
then there will be 7 vials that are poured out on the Earth.
The Rapture takes place on the 7th Trumpet sounding.
When Christ gets here during the 7th Trumpet, He starts to set up His Kingdom on EARTH, preparing for the thousand years to come. When He gets here on the 7th Trumpet the Church is taken up to be with Him where He is, and that is in the air, in the New City Jerusalem, that is the place that Jesus went to prepare for His Saints, and where the Saints will live.
When Jesus gets here at the 7th Trumpet, at first all nations will come against it and attack the Holy City. Anyone who attacks the city will be utterly destroyed. After Christ gets Here at the 7th Trumpet, the wicked are still here, they are those who are left behind. That is the purpose of the vials being poured out upon the Earth, to wipe anyone whose name was not written in the Book of Life and was not Raptured to be with Him in the Holy City.
As one of the posters said above (and is True) the Trumpets were 1/3 desctructions, and the vials will destroy the remaining 2/3 that were left behind.
What i have told you here, is what God Himself has told me will happen. If you want to argue with God, that is up to you. If it makes you feel better to disagree with me thinking it is coming from me, well i have told you the TRUTH. What i have told you above is the TRUTH, and it came from God, not from me, nor from my own mind, my own thinking, my own understanding, my own studies, my own interpretations. i have told you the TRUTH, that what i have told you above is what God has told me will happen. You have read it, you are now not ignorant to the TRUTH, What is it to me if you reject what God has told me? There is absolutely nothing in the above that contradicts any verse in all of Scriptures. You are now not ignorant of the TRUTH which God has told me to reveal to this generation, this i have done. So you can go ahead a believe what you THINK is the TRUTH, But know this, i have told you the TRUTH which i say came from God Himself. If i am lying, let me spend all eternity in Hell fire, let me die a long and horrible painful death, which i will be in agony every moment of every day, let it be so bad upon me that i pray for death every day. And not only me, but let my Dad and Mom also suffer the same fate if I am lying, let also my children suffer the same fate as i have described, IF I AM LYING. What more can i say to to try and convince an unbelieving generation that i am telling the TRUTH. Oh what is the point, i know who the god of this world is, and he has most Christians in his pocket.
But here is a Truth, Now you know the TRUTH too. Accept it or reject it, my hands are clean, i have not failed to tell you the TRUTH.
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There are 7 seals that are opened
then there will be 7 trumpets that are blown
then there will be 7 vials that are poured out on the Earth.
The Rapture takes place on the 7th Trumpet sounding.
When Christ gets here during the 7th Trumpet, He starts to set up His Kingdom on EARTH, preparing for the thousand years to come. When He gets here on the 7th Trumpet the Church is taken up to be with Him where He is, and that is in the air, in the New City Jerusalem, that is the place that Jesus went to prepare for His Saints, and where the Saints will live.
When Jesus gets here at the 7th Trumpet, at first all nations will come against it and attack the Holy City. Anyone who attacks the city will be utterly destroyed. After Christ gets Here at the 7th Trumpet, the wicked are still here, they are those who are left behind. That is the purpose of the vials being poured out upon the Earth, to wipe anyone whose name was not written in the Book of Life and was not Raptured to be with Him in the Holy City.
As one of the posters said above (and is True) the Trumpets were 1/3 desctructions, and the vials will destroy the remaining 2/3 that were left behind.
What i have told you here, is what God Himself has told me will happen. If you want to argue with God, that is up to you. If it makes you feel better to disagree with me thinking it is coming from me, well i have told you the TRUTH. What i have told you above is the TRUTH, and it came from God, not from me, nor from my own mind, my own thinking, my own understanding, my own studies, my own interpretations. i have told you the TRUTH, that what i have told you above is what God has told me will happen. You have read it, you are now not ignorant to the TRUTH, What is it to me if you reject what God has told me? There is absolutely nothing in the above that contradicts any verse in all of Scriptures. You are now not ignorant of the TRUTH which God has told me to reveal to this generation, this i have done. So you can go ahead a believe what you THINK is the TRUTH, But know this, i have told you the TRUTH which i say came from God Himself. If i am lying, let me spend all eternity in Hell fire, let me die a long and horrible painful death, which i will be in agony every moment of every day, let it be so bad upon me that i pray for death every day. And not only me, but let my Dad and Mom also suffer the same fate if I am lying, let also my children suffer the same fate as i have described, IF I AM LYING. What more can i say to to try and convince an unbelieving generation that i am telling the TRUTH. Oh what is the point, i know who the god of this world is, and he has most Christians in his pocket.
But here is a Truth, Now you know the TRUTH too. Accept it or reject it, my hands are clean, i have not failed to tell you the TRUTH.
^i^
What i have told you here, is what God Himself has told me will happen.
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So what you are basically saying, you will only believe God if He talks to YOU, but will not believe God if He talks to others?
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With that I definitely agree.
I do not... agree with a mid-trib rapture of the Church.
The final 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe is shown in Rev.11 to end the tribulation, and begin Christ's eternal reign over all nations, and marks the time of the 7th Vial with God's cup of wrath upon the wicked. That is "day of the Lord" timing when God's consuming fire will destroy man's works off this earth (2 Pet.3:10).
The "day of the Lord" timing is when Jesus said that He comes "as a thief", still warning His Church on the 6th Vial just prior to the gathering of Satan's host to pour out the 7th Vial wrath upon them (Rev.16:15-17). That aligns with Jesus' coming to destroy that Wicked one of 2 Thess.2:8 with the "brightness of His coming."
That is the same day... of the resurrection on the "last trump" per Paul in 1 Cor.15. God's OT prophets gave many parallels to God's destruction upon the earth on that final day of The LORD (Zech.14).
How can I take you seriously when you say that 2 Thess.2 Scripture has nothing to do with the tribulation, when Paul gave us the strongest event point of the tribulation there, i.e, the appearance of the coming Antichrist sitting in the temple of God in Jerusalem working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world into wrongly worshiping him in place of God? And then even with Paul's clear declaration of our Lord Jesus coming to destroy that Wicked one with the brightness of His coming, which marks the end of that tribulation by that false one?
By that, Paul marked the timing of our Lord Jesus' coming to gather His Church after the trib of that Wicked one's working, i.e., when He comes to destroy that Wicked one with "the brightness of His coming." Aren't you aware why Paul would use that "brightness" description? We were shown about it in the OT prophets, especially in the Zech.14:6-7 verses.
I just showed you how it does, marking the END of the tribulation. That Wicked one, man of sin, that comes to do that 2 Thess.2:4 event is about the tribulation time when that false one comes to power in Jerusalem. That's the same one of Rev.13 that is to have power over all nations for a period of 42 months, the same beast king of Rev.17 that will rule one symbolic hour with the ten kings. If he is still in power, the trib has not ended. If he is destroyed by Christ's coming he is no longer in power and thus no more trib. It's as simple as that.
Paul's purpose of writing that was to clear up misunderstanding about the order of events leading up to Christ's coming and gathering of His Church. So your statement is irrelevant to that. What happens after... Christ's return is written in Rev.20 with His future "thousand years" reign, which is also written of in the OT prophets like Zech.14 and Ezekiel 40 through 48.
Well, YES, it certainly DOES mean the tribulation period is... over, done, no more, never to ever happen on this earth again, as the beast and the false prophet are cast into the "lake of fire" on the day of Christ's return per Rev.19. Your saying that above is a vain attempt to create a loop hole in the Scripture to fit in a doctrine of men.
Jesus within the 6th Vial timing is still warning His Church that He comes "as a thief", pointing to the coming final 7th Vial destruction on the "day of the Lord" (remember Paul and Peter about that "day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night", and will be a "sudden destruction" upon the wicked?) Day of the LORD = 7th Vial timing, not 1st Vial timing.
This means Vials 1-6 are poured DURING the tribulation period, not after it. That point should... be very easy to understand, since the beast is still reigning even ON the 6th Vial timing! The nations aren't gathered around Jerusalem for the final battle of Armageddon until the ending of the 6th Vial. On the 7th Vial God's cup of wrath is poured out upon them.
Note also per latter Zech.14 Scripture, some of the wicked that came upon Jerusalem on that last day survive and are required to go up from year to year to Jerusalem during Christ's Millennial reign to worship Him.
You're simply not... heeding these following Scriptures as written:
Rev 16:12-15
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
KJV
Do you not see the dragon and the beast "working miracles" on that 6th VIAL timing??? That is tribulation time still there at that point.
Then just prior to the final 7th Vial, our Lord Jesus warns His Church about His coming "as a thief" next on the 7th Vial!
You cannot... move Jesus' coming to gather His Church back to the 1st Vial timing per that Scripture flow!!! It's impossible! Wake up!
The 7th Trumpet and 7th Vial BOTH... occur at the SAME time is what those events show! The way you are trying to interpret the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials is similar to how pre-trib does, as if the order of events depended on each set of Seals, Trumpets, and Vials happening each in a separate order like how John was given to see them and write them down. That is not... the order of the events how they happen though.
In the following I will highlight in bold colors, these parallel events that show these 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial events are all the SAME timing on the very LAST DAY of this world:
Rev 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
KJV
Rev 16:15-21
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
KJV
Rev 11:15-19
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give Thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Which art, and wast, and art to come; because Thou hast taken to Thee Thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto Thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear Thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
KJV
I do not... agree with a mid-trib rapture of the Church.
The final 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe is shown in Rev.11 to end the tribulation, and begin Christ's eternal reign over all nations, and marks the time of the 7th Vial with God's cup of wrath upon the wicked. That is "day of the Lord" timing when God's consuming fire will destroy man's works off this earth (2 Pet.3:10).
The "day of the Lord" timing is when Jesus said that He comes "as a thief", still warning His Church on the 6th Vial just prior to the gathering of Satan's host to pour out the 7th Vial wrath upon them (Rev.16:15-17). That aligns with Jesus' coming to destroy that Wicked one of 2 Thess.2:8 with the "brightness of His coming."
That is the same day... of the resurrection on the "last trump" per Paul in 1 Cor.15. God's OT prophets gave many parallels to God's destruction upon the earth on that final day of The LORD (Zech.14).
How can I take you seriously when you say that 2 Thess.2 Scripture has nothing to do with the tribulation, when Paul gave us the strongest event point of the tribulation there, i.e, the appearance of the coming Antichrist sitting in the temple of God in Jerusalem working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world into wrongly worshiping him in place of God? And then even with Paul's clear declaration of our Lord Jesus coming to destroy that Wicked one with the brightness of His coming, which marks the end of that tribulation by that false one?
By that, Paul marked the timing of our Lord Jesus' coming to gather His Church after the trib of that Wicked one's working, i.e., when He comes to destroy that Wicked one with "the brightness of His coming." Aren't you aware why Paul would use that "brightness" description? We were shown about it in the OT prophets, especially in the Zech.14:6-7 verses.
I just showed you how it does, marking the END of the tribulation. That Wicked one, man of sin, that comes to do that 2 Thess.2:4 event is about the tribulation time when that false one comes to power in Jerusalem. That's the same one of Rev.13 that is to have power over all nations for a period of 42 months, the same beast king of Rev.17 that will rule one symbolic hour with the ten kings. If he is still in power, the trib has not ended. If he is destroyed by Christ's coming he is no longer in power and thus no more trib. It's as simple as that.
Paul's purpose of writing that was to clear up misunderstanding about the order of events leading up to Christ's coming and gathering of His Church. So your statement is irrelevant to that. What happens after... Christ's return is written in Rev.20 with His future "thousand years" reign, which is also written of in the OT prophets like Zech.14 and Ezekiel 40 through 48.
Well, YES, it certainly DOES mean the tribulation period is... over, done, no more, never to ever happen on this earth again, as the beast and the false prophet are cast into the "lake of fire" on the day of Christ's return per Rev.19. Your saying that above is a vain attempt to create a loop hole in the Scripture to fit in a doctrine of men.
Jesus within the 6th Vial timing is still warning His Church that He comes "as a thief", pointing to the coming final 7th Vial destruction on the "day of the Lord" (remember Paul and Peter about that "day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night", and will be a "sudden destruction" upon the wicked?) Day of the LORD = 7th Vial timing, not 1st Vial timing.
This means Vials 1-6 are poured DURING the tribulation period, not after it. That point should... be very easy to understand, since the beast is still reigning even ON the 6th Vial timing! The nations aren't gathered around Jerusalem for the final battle of Armageddon until the ending of the 6th Vial. On the 7th Vial God's cup of wrath is poured out upon them.
Note also per latter Zech.14 Scripture, some of the wicked that came upon Jerusalem on that last day survive and are required to go up from year to year to Jerusalem during Christ's Millennial reign to worship Him.
You're simply not... heeding these following Scriptures as written:
Rev 16:12-15
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
KJV
Do you not see the dragon and the beast "working miracles" on that 6th VIAL timing??? That is tribulation time still there at that point.
Then just prior to the final 7th Vial, our Lord Jesus warns His Church about His coming "as a thief" next on the 7th Vial!
You cannot... move Jesus' coming to gather His Church back to the 1st Vial timing per that Scripture flow!!! It's impossible! Wake up!
The 7th Trumpet and 7th Vial BOTH... occur at the SAME time is what those events show! The way you are trying to interpret the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials is similar to how pre-trib does, as if the order of events depended on each set of Seals, Trumpets, and Vials happening each in a separate order like how John was given to see them and write them down. That is not... the order of the events how they happen though.
In the following I will highlight in bold colors, these parallel events that show these 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial events are all the SAME timing on the very LAST DAY of this world:
Rev 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
KJV
Rev 16:15-21
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
KJV
Rev 11:15-19
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give Thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, Which art, and wast, and art to come; because Thou hast taken to Thee Thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto Thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear Thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
KJV
Well, our Lord Jesus does provide those called in His service to do that specific job only. That's the evangelist job by The Holy Spirit.
But some He called first as apostles, then prophets, then teachers, and after that miracles, gifts of healing, helps, governments, and diversities of tongues (languages). See 1 Cor.12.
So some of the 'headier' debates you'll see here are actually those working out His calling of teachers in His Word, and not as evangelists. The pastor's role is specifically to teach the meaning of Scripture among God's Church by The Holy Spirit, not to evangelize The Gospel.
But some He called first as apostles, then prophets, then teachers, and after that miracles, gifts of healing, helps, governments, and diversities of tongues (languages). See 1 Cor.12.
So some of the 'headier' debates you'll see here are actually those working out His calling of teachers in His Word, and not as evangelists. The pastor's role is specifically to teach the meaning of Scripture among God's Church by The Holy Spirit, not to evangelize The Gospel.
lol, the very God's Word that you are referring to was written by men, was it not? Hasn't God always spoke to man for that man to speak to others? Is it not written God is the same yesterday, today, and forever?
So what you are basically saying, you will only believe God if He talks to YOU, but will not believe God if He talks to others?
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So then if God spoke to me, and then i tell you what God told me, i am wrong to do that? i am somehow equating myself as one inspired to pen the Word of God? Brother all i am doing is repeating what He has told me. And if i told you it came from someone other than God, i would commit sin by lying. Is it my fault that you do not believe God speaks to people in these last days? Is it God's fault that you don't believe He does? i know He does, because He has.
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