Obedience & righteousness - extreme grace version
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There is no such thing as being licentious and calling it grace...not for true grace-believers...if we are under grace - it will teach us to live godly in this present world.
People can fall from grace because of legalism just as quick as from living deliberately in sin without even wanting to change.
People can fall from grace because of legalism just as quick as from living deliberately in sin without even wanting to change.
I agree..in order to get the "fruit"..we need to preach the gospel of the grace of Christ...for in "IT" is the power of God for salvation. We need to hear the gospel every day as believers......as it is contrary to this world.
Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
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"People can fall from grace because of legalism just as quick as from living deliberately in sin without even wanting to change."
Wow...did you ever hit a nerve! I have always labelled my parents as being extreme legalists. I was not allowed to go to my own high school prom because 'Dancing is a SIN". I was not allowed to shoot a game of pool, have playing cards in my house, and my rock 'n roll music was demonic. If I back-talked to mom, she would shake her fist at me and declare "When you have children some day, I hope they repay you ten times worse than what you say to me." Dad was to say a prayer at my daughter's wedding before the reception began. Suddenly, he looked at me and said "I cannot and will not bless this meal because I see champagne on the table!" They also walked out and left the celebration because I, her father, danced with my daughter! Do I love my parents? Extremely! Are they going to hell for being legalistic? NO...they just make life on this earth a little less enjoyable when they are around. All of that will change in heaven..Their past legalistic ways will be long forgotten.
Wow...did you ever hit a nerve! I have always labelled my parents as being extreme legalists. I was not allowed to go to my own high school prom because 'Dancing is a SIN". I was not allowed to shoot a game of pool, have playing cards in my house, and my rock 'n roll music was demonic. If I back-talked to mom, she would shake her fist at me and declare "When you have children some day, I hope they repay you ten times worse than what you say to me." Dad was to say a prayer at my daughter's wedding before the reception began. Suddenly, he looked at me and said "I cannot and will not bless this meal because I see champagne on the table!" They also walked out and left the celebration because I, her father, danced with my daughter! Do I love my parents? Extremely! Are they going to hell for being legalistic? NO...they just make life on this earth a little less enjoyable when they are around. All of that will change in heaven..Their past legalistic ways will be long forgotten.
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"his identity as a spiritual being" is a NEW AGE statement.
"life that is in us in Christ" is Biblical concept:
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Gal 2:20
You are comparing apples to oranges, again bearing false testimony of grace believers.
"life that is in us in Christ" is Biblical concept:
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Gal 2:20
You are comparing apples to oranges, again bearing false testimony of grace believers.
Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead
Here ya go. Timely.
"All sin to me is ignorance of the true life that is in us in Christ."
Comment made today here > MARK 2:7-11
Amen!..I have no problem sticking with my comment that sin is ignorance of the life that is in us in Christ. It doesn't mean that we should sin all we want now..lol...
It is a completely different truth then what the so-called gnostics were saying.......it's always in the "twist" of what is said to make it "appear" that something else is being said, then what is meant...that's the crux of all of this....but it is to be expected....
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"All sin to me is ignorance of the true life that is in us in Christ."
Comment made today here > MARK 2:7-11
Amen!..I have no problem sticking with my comment that sin is ignorance of the life that is in us in Christ. It doesn't mean that we should sin all we want now..lol...
It is a completely different truth then what the so-called gnostics were saying.......it's always in the "twist" of what is said to make it "appear" that something else is being said, then what is meant...that's the crux of all of this....but it is to be expected....
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One simple point. God established the meaning of repentance through Israel.
This is record in scripture about what it means. Now using greek a similar word is used to represent the same concept within christianity. To go and say the greek meaning of the word defines the real meaning within what God intends is literally to ignore the whole of the history God laid down over 2,000 years.
I have no doubt that those who want to change Jesus and His meaning into another faith this is a gift on a plate.
Repeating this mistake does not make it true.
Another example of this is the use of the greek word agape, which has meaning specifically in a christian context to represent Jesus's sacrificial love in giving His life for us.
This is record in scripture about what it means. Now using greek a similar word is used to represent the same concept within christianity. To go and say the greek meaning of the word defines the real meaning within what God intends is literally to ignore the whole of the history God laid down over 2,000 years.
I have no doubt that those who want to change Jesus and His meaning into another faith this is a gift on a plate.
Repeating this mistake does not make it true.
Another example of this is the use of the greek word agape, which has meaning specifically in a christian context to represent Jesus's sacrificial love in giving His life for us.
Agreed. Notice the language in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Paul names the unbelievers as people:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Notice Paul names them as people; fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, drunkards, thieves, etc...when referring to an unbeliever, Scripture names the works of the flesh as people groups. A Christian cannot be a fornicator. A Christian cannot be a drunkard or a thief, etc...A Christian is a Christian. A Christian my lie, but that does not make him a liar; it makes him a Christian who told a lie. A Christian cannot "live in sin." A Christian lives in Jesus Christ.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Notice Paul names them as people; fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, drunkards, thieves, etc...when referring to an unbeliever, Scripture names the works of the flesh as people groups. A Christian cannot be a fornicator. A Christian cannot be a drunkard or a thief, etc...A Christian is a Christian. A Christian my lie, but that does not make him a liar; it makes him a Christian who told a lie. A Christian cannot "live in sin." A Christian lives in Jesus Christ.
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