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To the person who just messaged me, I'm not getting into a debate with you
privately about this whole matter, it may be helpful also if you read the
entire thread so you know where everyone is coming from.
It is really quite strange that you should pick out one individual to try to
commence a debate with them in private when so many different
view points have been raised.
I understand that you will have your own individual thoughts
and experiences really I do, as we all do and I'm not saying that I
fully understand everything. We are all very much basing opinions
on our own personal understanding of the bible and what we believe
God has shown us and our individual life experiences. Hence the
reason why there are so many different views, not just on this
thread but on other matters also. That is what is beneficial about CC, it
causes people to consider aspects they may not have considered before
and weigh them up, test them etc.
The main thing is to remain teachable and have an close eye and ear on
God, that if there are attitudes which need dealing with that we are willing to
learn and not become hard hearted, but at the same time to not twist or
manipulate God's word to fit ourselves, it should be the other way around in
that respect.
If I have offended you I apologise and if I have got anything wrong then I pray
God would show me and that I would remain teachable, but as I say I
don't believe commencing a private discussion on this subject would be of
benefit to either of us. Hope you understand.
God bless
privately about this whole matter, it may be helpful also if you read the
entire thread so you know where everyone is coming from.
It is really quite strange that you should pick out one individual to try to
commence a debate with them in private when so many different
view points have been raised.
I understand that you will have your own individual thoughts
and experiences really I do, as we all do and I'm not saying that I
fully understand everything. We are all very much basing opinions
on our own personal understanding of the bible and what we believe
God has shown us and our individual life experiences. Hence the
reason why there are so many different views, not just on this
thread but on other matters also. That is what is beneficial about CC, it
causes people to consider aspects they may not have considered before
and weigh them up, test them etc.
The main thing is to remain teachable and have an close eye and ear on
God, that if there are attitudes which need dealing with that we are willing to
learn and not become hard hearted, but at the same time to not twist or
manipulate God's word to fit ourselves, it should be the other way around in
that respect.
If I have offended you I apologise and if I have got anything wrong then I pray
God would show me and that I would remain teachable, but as I say I
don't believe commencing a private discussion on this subject would be of
benefit to either of us. Hope you understand.
God bless
B
I was going to read through all this thread but I didn't, I felt led to just answer you. Your brother is not saved, this may sound callous but he is already dead to Jesus, unless He knows Jesus he will stay dead, and no matter what he does it will not change.
Jesus died for all of us. When we hear the gospel, we can accept Him as lord and saviour and He (Jesus) will cleanse our lives from the filth we come to him with. Yes He may use us that know Him to guide/disciple those whom He has bought into the fold, but to cleanse them is not our Job.
We are told to love them as Jesus loves us, yes it may hurt us as we see those we love killing themselves or being in the state of staying dead to Him, and when it does that hurt mobilises us to fight for their souls. But to fight for them is not to condemn them, it is to love them as Jesus " . . (He) . loved us while we were yet sinners".
Now fighting is again another matter, it is hard and dangerous, it is stressful and all consuming, as most solders will say, "it is 99% boredom and 1% pure adrenalin, but that 1% is worth the 99%. You know your brother, you know his life, as much as a sibling can you know his mind. With this information you can formulate a plan of attack against the "Powers of darkness" that control him and stop him from being in a place to know and accept Christ as his personal saviour.
And the weapon we use is prayer. That sounds so simple, just prayer. but it isn't just prayer, it is PRAYER! with the power of the Holy Spirit, the power of God "To destroy the strongholds" the enemy has put up to stop us and hinder us.
But you need protection if you are to face the enemy. As soon as you take aim and start to fire the enemy is going to fire back and he wants to destroy you, so be ready for that as you move forward to save your brother.
I ask you to spend a few days in prayer for yourself before you start. Take a pen and paper and jot down those things that come to mind as you pray which seem to be from the Spirit, then test them through prayer and build yourself up so when you start praying for your brother you know where to aim at.
Keep the sword of the word close to you at all times and be prepared to take some injuries, but know in that situation that the injuries you inflict on the enemy are more than you receive or why would the enemy retaliate? if you were not causing the enemy concern he would ignore you because you would not be a threat.
Father I lift up my sister to you in Jesus name, I ask you father to cover her in the blood of Jesus, protect her heart and mind in Jesus name, protect her body, protect those around her that the enemy could use to take her eye of this goal of saving her brother for you.
Put into her your Spirit of truth and commitment and make her the prayer warrior she needs to be, to bring lost soul of her brother to you, in Jesus Holy name, Amen.
Jesus died for all of us. When we hear the gospel, we can accept Him as lord and saviour and He (Jesus) will cleanse our lives from the filth we come to him with. Yes He may use us that know Him to guide/disciple those whom He has bought into the fold, but to cleanse them is not our Job.
We are told to love them as Jesus loves us, yes it may hurt us as we see those we love killing themselves or being in the state of staying dead to Him, and when it does that hurt mobilises us to fight for their souls. But to fight for them is not to condemn them, it is to love them as Jesus " . . (He) . loved us while we were yet sinners".
Now fighting is again another matter, it is hard and dangerous, it is stressful and all consuming, as most solders will say, "it is 99% boredom and 1% pure adrenalin, but that 1% is worth the 99%. You know your brother, you know his life, as much as a sibling can you know his mind. With this information you can formulate a plan of attack against the "Powers of darkness" that control him and stop him from being in a place to know and accept Christ as his personal saviour.
And the weapon we use is prayer. That sounds so simple, just prayer. but it isn't just prayer, it is PRAYER! with the power of the Holy Spirit, the power of God "To destroy the strongholds" the enemy has put up to stop us and hinder us.
But you need protection if you are to face the enemy. As soon as you take aim and start to fire the enemy is going to fire back and he wants to destroy you, so be ready for that as you move forward to save your brother.
I ask you to spend a few days in prayer for yourself before you start. Take a pen and paper and jot down those things that come to mind as you pray which seem to be from the Spirit, then test them through prayer and build yourself up so when you start praying for your brother you know where to aim at.
Keep the sword of the word close to you at all times and be prepared to take some injuries, but know in that situation that the injuries you inflict on the enemy are more than you receive or why would the enemy retaliate? if you were not causing the enemy concern he would ignore you because you would not be a threat.
Father I lift up my sister to you in Jesus name, I ask you father to cover her in the blood of Jesus, protect her heart and mind in Jesus name, protect her body, protect those around her that the enemy could use to take her eye of this goal of saving her brother for you.
Put into her your Spirit of truth and commitment and make her the prayer warrior she needs to be, to bring lost soul of her brother to you, in Jesus Holy name, Amen.
D
A sister comes on here weeks ago trying to get help figuring out what to do with her brother and what becomes of it -- a debate!
A debate? Really? REALLY? Where is your compassion? Doesn't this site have enough forums for useless debates? (Useless, because so many are trying to be heard they never get around to hearing.)
What is going on in your life that you're struggling with? Could you use some help? Great, post it and we can endless debate it as if you don't matter too!
Grow up, people. There are times to debate, but not when someone is struggling with the issue. THEN they want HELP! You are never the center of the universe even if you have the right answer! And you don't have the right answer if you think asking for help means Debate Time!
A debate? Really? REALLY? Where is your compassion? Doesn't this site have enough forums for useless debates? (Useless, because so many are trying to be heard they never get around to hearing.)
What is going on in your life that you're struggling with? Could you use some help? Great, post it and we can endless debate it as if you don't matter too!
Grow up, people. There are times to debate, but not when someone is struggling with the issue. THEN they want HELP! You are never the center of the universe even if you have the right answer! And you don't have the right answer if you think asking for help means Debate Time!
You do error not knowing the Truth, and greatly error by trying to teach what you are saying above as the TRUTH. You say
No where in all of Scriptures does it teach that at all. NOWHERE. Now the ACT of Homosexual behavior is against God and is indeed a sin. But a person being a Homosexual is not a sin at all. But a person acting upon it and having a sexual relationship with the same sex, this is a sin and is an abomination with God.
If you say being a Homosexual is a sin against God, then you would have also say being a Heterosexual is also a sin against God. Can a Heterosexual have sex with the opposite sex and it be sinful and against God? Sure, Fornication, adultery, beastility, child molesting. All these things are an abomination against God as well. So it is not sinful for a person to be Homosexual, or Heterosexual. What is sinful is the ACTS, the sex of them.
Again, there is not one verse in all of Scriptures that teach what YOU are teaching. Where in all of Scriptures does it teach by who you are attracted to is sinful or not sinful? Being attracted to someone is NOT sinful. What you do about it, that is what can be sinful and against God.
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No where in all of Scriptures does it teach that at all. NOWHERE. Now the ACT of Homosexual behavior is against God and is indeed a sin. But a person being a Homosexual is not a sin at all. But a person acting upon it and having a sexual relationship with the same sex, this is a sin and is an abomination with God.
If you say being a Homosexual is a sin against God, then you would have also say being a Heterosexual is also a sin against God. Can a Heterosexual have sex with the opposite sex and it be sinful and against God? Sure, Fornication, adultery, beastility, child molesting. All these things are an abomination against God as well. So it is not sinful for a person to be Homosexual, or Heterosexual. What is sinful is the ACTS, the sex of them.
Again, there is not one verse in all of Scriptures that teach what YOU are teaching. Where in all of Scriptures does it teach by who you are attracted to is sinful or not sinful? Being attracted to someone is NOT sinful. What you do about it, that is what can be sinful and against God.
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I agree with some of what you said. But when people are born into this world they are not homosexuals, those impulses, thoughts, feelings, and if dwelt upon enough actions result primarily from their rejection of God. God changes a person from a homosexual, adulterer, fornicator, gossiper etc to a Christian which can result in either a reduction of homosexual feelings and desires, or elimination of those homosexual feelings and desires and increase of God's intended heterosexual feelings and desires driven by God and not the flesh). For the homosexual leaving that lifestyle, there are two options, one, if they so choose they can get married to a man (if they were a lesbian) or a woman (if they were ''gay'') or they can decide to live from now on a celibate life like Paul did. God bless. 
Adulterer is what someone becomes because of their deed, actions.
Fornicator is what someone becomes because of their deed, actions.
gossiper is what someone becomes because of their deed, actions.
Homosexual is what someone IS, even if there is no actions whatsoever.
Can't you understand. What makes a person Heterosexual, Homosexual, or bisexual is NOT by your ACTIONS, NOT by your DEEDS. What makes a person those things is by who you are attracted to. Please try to grasp and understand that simple concept. Who you are attracted to is NOT what is sinful, so stop teaching that it is, or with the same judgments you use to say they are will be used against you.
Tell me. If a married man who loves his wife dearly, and would never cheat on his wife, if this same person is ATTRACTED to a woman at his work. Does this man commit sin against God because he is married and attracted to someone else? God forbid. This generation needs to wake up, and come out of sleep concerning this issue. Just because you are attracted to anyone, does not make it sinful because you are attracted to them. What makes it sinful is what you do about it. If that married man were to have an affair, then He commits sin. PERIOD. But being attracted to her is NOT a sin at all. Just as any Homosexual who is attracted to the same sex does NOT commit any sin whatsoever, merely because they are attracted to that person. Now if they act upon, then yes it is sinful. Oh ye Hyporcrites. Accuse a person as being sinful because they are attracted to the same sex, all the while you view porn and lust after those people doing that which is abomination, who are NOT your spouse. You would be better off to say nothing at all, then to be a Hypocrite. Do you say Homosexuals commit sin because of who they are attracted to? How are you any different? You are Heterosexual attracted to the opposite sex who are NOT your spouse. Hypocrites. Do not listen to those who are devoid of the TRUTH, teaching things that are NOT TRUE, nor Scriptural
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You do not know the Scriptures.
Scriptures teaches us NOT to Judge unrighteously, But we are to Judge Righteous Judgements
1Cor:2:15: But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Cor:6:2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Cor:6:3: Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Cor:6:4: If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1Cor:6:5: I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1Cor:14:29: Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
So it seems to me, that this Generation likes to teach we are not to Judge AT ALL. Yet the Holy Scriptures plainly teaches otherwise. We are NOT to Judge (unrighteously) But we are to Judge Righteously.
Judge or Not
Scriptures teaches us NOT to Judge unrighteously, But we are to Judge Righteous Judgements
1Cor:2:15: But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Cor:6:2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Cor:6:3: Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1Cor:6:4: If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1Cor:6:5: I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1Cor:14:29: Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
So it seems to me, that this Generation likes to teach we are not to Judge AT ALL. Yet the Holy Scriptures plainly teaches otherwise. We are NOT to Judge (unrighteously) But we are to Judge Righteously.
Judge or Not
Acts 19:8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus. 10 And this continued by the space of two years;
He disputed with them for TWO YEARS. i wonder if they learned anything?
Disputing for the wrong reasons is evil and wicked. But disputing for the right reason is good and acceptable.
Dispute
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus. 10 And this continued by the space of two years;
He disputed with them for TWO YEARS. i wonder if they learned anything?
Disputing for the wrong reasons is evil and wicked. But disputing for the right reason is good and acceptable.
Dispute
Just as people who deal with the temptation for sexual immorality with the opposite sex even after giving themselves to God, those of us who do with the temptation for the same sex will too.
The fact that you deal with temptation proves nothing more than you deal with temptation. Being urged to do it is not a justification to do it.
The bible does tell us to practice self restraint. It does not tell us that we were created with temptation (God tempts no one) and it tells us to deny temptation and follow Him.
Yeah I deal with these urges, but I also am fine ignoring them. Both for sexual relations with other male bodied people and with feelings of sadness and jealousy over my gender. But Im also aware that they are just feelings and urges. We are told to guard our hearts, and not to follow them. If you make Him your focus and not being pleased in your life, you do find peace. But you have to actually deny these things and come to Him. Telling yourself its hard and that you cannot control it is in no way coming to Him.
I've already asked the same questions, and have come to the conclusion that God loves homosexuals just as much as he loves me, or you, or anyone else.
I raised a daughter that is homosexual, and another who is bi-sexual. I have a little experience with homosexuals in my immediate family.
Being a homosexual is not a sin, just as being a heterosexual is not a sin, and it's not our place to judge others, unless they claim Christianity.
You can pray, you can listen to your brother, you can let him know you love him, and let him know that God loves him, but in the end, it's up to your brother to get in touch with God, but prayer changes things, I don't know how, but I know there is much power in prayer, and if God can still love someone like me, who commited more transgressions than many nations have, then he can forgive anyone
I raised a daughter that is homosexual, and another who is bi-sexual. I have a little experience with homosexuals in my immediate family.
Being a homosexual is not a sin, just as being a heterosexual is not a sin, and it's not our place to judge others, unless they claim Christianity.
You can pray, you can listen to your brother, you can let him know you love him, and let him know that God loves him, but in the end, it's up to your brother to get in touch with God, but prayer changes things, I don't know how, but I know there is much power in prayer, and if God can still love someone like me, who commited more transgressions than many nations have, then he can forgive anyone
My brother is homosexual also... We have to recognise we are dealing with evil spirits here that totally decieve a person into thinking that they genuinely are homosexual... Just going to my brother and saying its wrong is not gonna bring him to repentance... We need to be in prayer against the powers of darkness, remember the Lord loves our brothers more than we do, he created them.
Hand it over to him and in the mean time love him with all u have, please dont take the advice on here that says to reject him... Did your family reject ypu because of any sin in your life? That isnt love. Remember corinthians 13.. Love bears all things believes all things hopes all things endures all things.
Im praying for u sister and im here if u need to talk xxxx
Hand it over to him and in the mean time love him with all u have, please dont take the advice on here that says to reject him... Did your family reject ypu because of any sin in your life? That isnt love. Remember corinthians 13.. Love bears all things believes all things hopes all things endures all things.
Im praying for u sister and im here if u need to talk xxxx
I have to lovingly disagree with you DiscipleDave. Jesus made it clear that if you dwell on your thoughts of doing something long enough you will do it. All sin starts with the thought to do it. I will show you through the Bible that you can sin in thought and then in action, sometimes though we start with the thought and we never carry out the action, but God sees it as if we have already carried it out. For example, the story of Cain and Abel. Cain is guilty of premeditated murder in that he planned the murder of Abel in his head and then executed it. Here is the passage:
Genesis 4:2b-12
Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.
Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?”
“I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper?”
The Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”
How can sin crouch at someone's door (heart) like Cain's if it does not start as a thought before it is an action?
Here is another example of this:
Matthew 5:21, 27-28
You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Also, as Christians we are called to be responsible toward God with our thoughts as well as our actions. As written in 2 Corinthians 10:5, in a certain section of it.
2 Corinthians 10:5
We take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
Romans 1:18-32
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Finally, I never said that there are no people who struggle from same-sex attraction or other attractions. But if one keeps on dwelling on it and does not surrender it to the Lord, they will do an action from the thought that they might soon regret or will corrupt so much that they do not want God and never seek help. So according to God's definition of what an adulterer it is not just one who does the act but who also thinks of doing the act (therefore I am not exempted, for I have sadly lusted). Fornicator is especially connected to thinking of having sex outside marriage or having sex outside marriage (again, there are a lot of people guilty of that). A gossiper has the thought they will gossip about what someone has done and then they decide to gossip. A homosexual is not just what someone is, but if they continue to dwell on their same-sex attraction and/or commit those acts. One can have same-sex attraction but not be a homosexual. Sin is both thought and action. Please stop your unscriptural rants and just linking to your website to get your point across instead of other websites that are not yours. Just because I struggle with something and admit it, does not make me a hypocrite. But daily I submit my thoughts to God's authority (even though I sometimes think things that are sinful) and submit my actions to God's authority (even though I sometimes have done things wrong). I will not listen to you and I do not need any correction in this. I view things through the Bible and nothing else. Hope you had a blessed Easter. Thanks. God bless.
Genesis 4:2b-12
Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast.
Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?”
“I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper?”
The Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”
How can sin crouch at someone's door (heart) like Cain's if it does not start as a thought before it is an action?
Here is another example of this:
Matthew 5:21, 27-28
You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Also, as Christians we are called to be responsible toward God with our thoughts as well as our actions. As written in 2 Corinthians 10:5, in a certain section of it.
2 Corinthians 10:5
We take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
Romans 1:18-32
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Finally, I never said that there are no people who struggle from same-sex attraction or other attractions. But if one keeps on dwelling on it and does not surrender it to the Lord, they will do an action from the thought that they might soon regret or will corrupt so much that they do not want God and never seek help. So according to God's definition of what an adulterer it is not just one who does the act but who also thinks of doing the act (therefore I am not exempted, for I have sadly lusted). Fornicator is especially connected to thinking of having sex outside marriage or having sex outside marriage (again, there are a lot of people guilty of that). A gossiper has the thought they will gossip about what someone has done and then they decide to gossip. A homosexual is not just what someone is, but if they continue to dwell on their same-sex attraction and/or commit those acts. One can have same-sex attraction but not be a homosexual. Sin is both thought and action. Please stop your unscriptural rants and just linking to your website to get your point across instead of other websites that are not yours. Just because I struggle with something and admit it, does not make me a hypocrite. But daily I submit my thoughts to God's authority (even though I sometimes think things that are sinful) and submit my actions to God's authority (even though I sometimes have done things wrong). I will not listen to you and I do not need any correction in this. I view things through the Bible and nothing else. Hope you had a blessed Easter. Thanks. God bless.
KimPetras......you are not speaking what the Holy Spirit would have you share. This idea of yours: "Maybe God desires that His children battle with a vice. Maybe it's not even a vice at all." is beyond rubbish. It totally reeks of "I can do anything I want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else or is done between consenting adults." Homosexuality is so blatant, so put 'in your face" and accepted as the NORM by today's world, that satan laughs. He has succeeded in undermining what GOD abhors. Only through the power of the Holy Spirit can anyone 'win" over this twisted life style. God did not make humans to have anal sex with the same sexual partner. That is not the purpose of their creation, nor did their Creator have that in mind. They not only deliberately put themselves to such a low level spiritually, but the addiction continues and more sexual gratification and other 'partners" are sought after. Our show of 'love" and 'there there, dear...GOD loves you exactly as you are and will take you as you are and let you continue to live as you are..you need not to be ashamed"....is a mockery to GOD. Would you tell a thief, or tax evader, or child molester the same thing? Of course not...because you call that a giant "SIN"...yet, for some reason, being GAY is not considered such a bad thing anymore..in fact..you just told us that maybe it's not a vice at all! The BIBLE clearly explains what GOD would advise to anyone who believes that homosexuality needs to have parades and coming out parties. A true CHRISTIAN, on fire and committed to winning souls to CHRIST would NOT hide the real spiritual TRUTHS from a practicing homosexual, witch, wiccan, transvestite, molester, stalker, and worse. We can't 'love' them out of their chosen sins. Real LOVE, unconditional...in order to 'save' their lost souls, has to reflect JESUS. JESUS cleared out the temple not by saying "Now now, you sellers. Let's not set up your tables here anymore. Let's pray about this together." Guess what: He drove them out..screaming, yelling, turning over the tables, setting the animals free and declaring that they had made His Father's house a 'Den of thieves". And this was done while snapping a whip! Wonder what JESUS would say if He walked into a modern "CHURCH of the Gay Community"?