Paster Women?

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And, again, just in case this helps you at all, Hubby and I have been married for 35 still-in-love years. Did you just pick up any feeling like I'm looking down on you for being divorced? I suspect there was a tingle of feeling that in you. (I can say I get that same feeling from those who have never had an addiction while I have, so it's not like what you're feeling is foreign to me.)

Hubby was married for 12 years, before we ever met. I love the guy, so I don't hold divorce against anyone. Frankly, I'm glad he was married before. Had he not been, he wouldn't have waited for me. (His BIL was my seventh grade science teacher. If you were old enough to have a BIL, would you wait around for a 12 year old to get old enough to marry? Ewww!!! Creepy.) Had he not been married before I wouldn't be getting helpful medical advice from my stepdaughter to help her dad. And mostly? All the mistakes a newlywed can make in the first few years of marriage were already made before we met.


Divorce may be horrible for many reasons, but people who struggle with all the angst a divorce should cause, have something truly wonderful to give to others.

Many stay together. I prefer the ones who understand how much that has to do with God's abilities not ours.

After all. Hubby not only loves me. He likes me. Think about it. I am what I appear to be. Would you want to live with someone as nuts as me, once more actually like it? And you and I have already duked it out, so you truly do get I'm not the easiest person to get along with.
No but if they say a divorced person may not be a pastor, while they know nothing about if he converted, the circumstances, it annoys me, since he encountered being looked down upon here in churches. One former pastor we had ignored him totally and later said: if you had stayed in my church you wouldn't have divorced. He was so awesome, he stayed with his wife. Oh wow! Never was she demon posessed or tried to kill herself or anything, just a normal person. Wow! Even atheists can do that.
During or just after a divorce of course someone can't be a pastor. The whole church collapsed and I fell from my faith, but he told me later that although he still believed in God he backslid too. Then you got people picking sides while they had absolutely no idea what was the matter. Of course it was a filthy sin to divorce. It started when we stopped praying every morning. The devil thought: I'm gonna ruin this marriage so they won't get the harvest in. Well we raise the kids together and get the harvest in together. It's not the unforgivable sin and it was not possible to reconcile. Never dump your wife in a mental institution. He wanted to reconcile after 7 weeks but then it was too late. I 'married' myself to another mentally impared drugaddict.
 
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Well, that really doesn't count. (Wow! Derek Prince. I remember him in the early 80's. He was "an older guy" back then. Okay, so I was in my mid 20's so "older guy" could have been a mere 40-55 years old. Now 40-55 years old are kids. lol) Married to one woman doesn't mean she can't ever die on you.

(Although that spouse can't ever die thingy is looking better and better every day. Sorry. Gary Shandling, an American comedian, died today. He was only 66. Recently the famous people who have died are getting closer and closer to my age. I'm used to them being "older guys.")
If you take the text literally: he must be the husband of one wife,
and then say: so it can't be a woman or a divorced person, then also not a widower or someone who is single. And God was divorced from Israel and Paul was single and Nymfa had a church at her house, but she was under Paul.
They used this text to tell a single man he couldn't pastor.
Jesus was single.
 

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... you're simply putting stuff in my writings that never existed, and then blamed me for not believing as you.

I really can't. After this post, I have no idea what you believe because you're too busy telling me what I supposedly believe and then proposing arguments for that, when you lost me way, way back when you decided scripture has something of man's opinion along with God's opinion mixed in.
I didn't tell you what you believe, or blame you for anything. I don't think you're going to be 'judged' just for disagreeing with someone on a forum.

You asked me:

Then how much of that book do you attribute to God? And, how do you decide what is or isn't canon?
I gave you a thorough answer with several criteria. you picked 1 part of 1 sentence in that response, and seemingly said it was a reason to disagree with me:

If your idea of God is what brings people closer to each other, I really won't be following your way of interpreting. But thanks for explaining it. It also helps to see what your gospel is.
This response was brief and vague, so I asked a bunch of rhetorical questions, which had a chance of addressing your unstated concerns. Even if they had nothing to do with your concerns, these questions point out the effect of obsessing over the letter of the law, whether it's moses' law or pauls' law.

I've provided plenty of scriptures along with my points, which you can respond to directly at any time.

you lost me way, way back when you decided scripture has something of man's opinion along with God's opinion mixed in.
The nature of the Bible is, no matter how God-breathed it is, it can be used in a way that isn't from God. Satan used 'God breathed' verses to tempt Jesus. Pharisees also used the law against Jesus. And the Bible is full of people that were friends of God, not enemies, but they still made mistakes and misrepresented God. They said wrong things and did wrong things. Moses, David, Peter, Paul -- God used all of these human vessels and didn't shy away from their imperfection, but he perfected his grace in their weakness.

Paul and Peter, who wrote holy spirit inspired scriptures, disagreed with eachother. Paul's writings and the book of James also seem to disagree on some things. Peter spoke by inspiration of Satan at one point, and Jesus rebuked Satan for it. Paul hunted Christians before he became one.

They didn't get to be perfect just because they were going to be in the Bible. God didn't require they be perfect, in order to use them. So we shouldn't require their words to be perfect. We shouldn't try to remove their humanity just so we can have a perfect rulebook. I don't see Holy Spirit work that way; there is no perfect set of rules to rely on, there is only the person of God, and everything else is less to require us to go to God, personally. And then when we live day by day by relationship with God's heart, we learn God's meaning in the scriptures by what strengthens our relationship with God, by what makes us take on more of God's heart toward God, toward others, toward ourselves.

I believe relationship is how God is writing his law on our hearts, as spoken of in Jeremiah and Hebrews.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
Never again will everyone teach his neighbor
or his brother by saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
because all of them will know me,
from the least important to the most important.
For I will be merciful regarding their wrong deeds,
and I will never again remember their sins.
(Hebrews 8:10-12)

 
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You mean like Joyce Meyer? Hmm let's see. She's led thousands of people back to Christ (including I and my father, on separate occasions). So, go figure!
 
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The woman at the well, she wasn't a pastor, but she opened her mouth and the whole town got saved.
 

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The woman at the well, she wasn't a pastor, but she opened her mouth and the whole town got saved.
Apparently you cannot distinguish between being a witness and a pastor. While a pastor is a witness a pastor has extensive additional responsibilities that a witness does not share.

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You mean like Joyce Meyer? Hmm let's see. She's led thousands of people back to Christ (including I and my father, on separate occasions). So, go figure!
You mean the Joyce Meyer that makes tons of money from books, cds and speaking engagements? She is making merchandise of Gods people. Teaching not the gospel of Jesus Christ but the worlds philosophy of self betterment.

I can only hope your conversion experience is not based on what Joyce has taught.

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Did Paul say we would give an account? Did Paul give an exception that God wouldn't ask us to give an account as a steward or as an unsaved person?

There are several issues here. Talk is cheap and there are sheep and goats and some of the goats are wolves.

Anyone can lie and say they believe in Jesus and someone is going to quote a verse that has to do with gnosticism but the fact is that anyone can lie and say they are a Christian.

I've talked to "Christians" who didn't mean what they said and there are other people who claim they are Christian but have a totally different basis for being a Christian.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

People are going to profess they are Christians but Jesus is going to say He never ever knew them.



Matthew 7:13 ¶ Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The Bible says that broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many go in while the gate is narrow and few people find heaven. A lot of people say they believe but are only Christians on Sunday for an hour.



1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

There are two different judgments in the Bible. One is the great white throne to damn unbelievers and explain to them why they are going to hell and the other judgment is the bema seat of Christ in 1 Corinthians 3:12-13

Here is a question for you. If your "ledger" has been washed away then why can a person get "silver" instead of "gold" or why can a person get "wood", "hay" or "stubble" and have their works burn up if their ledger is washed clean?



Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

I know a pastor that says that you can be saved and God doesn't have to forgive you.

There are two doctrines not taught today because people are Biblically illiterate and the Bible isn't taught today in most Churches because they teach biblical principles instead.

One doctrine is positionally righteous before the father and the other is practical righteousness.
When you sin, I believe you damage your relationship with God and should say, "I'm sorry. Please forgive me." and it should be accompanied with repentance and that you and others should keep short accounts with God. I'm not saying that a true believer becomes unsaved by sinning but I believe it can damage the relationship with God.

Matthew 12:20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.


Isaiah 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

I use to quote this verse to Christians who said they are fornicating with their boyfriends and so forth and then one day my eyes sat on the word "till" and that word has implications and it implies that time will run out and God will judge.

Acts 5:1 ¶ But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

We can take two view here. Either Ananias and Sapphira were Christians or they weren't. Which view should I take and these people are in the church today. I had one Christian minister seriously insult me and he said he could get away with it because he was eternally secure. The fact is Ananias and Saphira lied to God and they died.

And then we look at Lot's wife. She turned back and was turned into a pillar of salt.

And we look at Abraham's sins and there is still trouble in the Middle East because of one man's sins.

I downloaded a book by accident on my Kindle. It is called "Four Views on Eternal Security". And the question is whether a righteous God is powerless to judge Christians who want to sin and whether He will keep putting up with it. I think hell will be a reminder not to sin and there was one angel who corrupted himself and was damned. And since there is a book on "Four Views On Eternal Security", who is right and who is wrong?

And the sin of homosexuality is pride:



Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And there are people who say, "I'm a homosexual and a Christian." Do you think they are when you just have to believe? I'm not sure.

Salvation is grace through faith through Christ alone:

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

But I often wonder if they can receive grace because they are proud:

James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

So if salvation is grace through faith through Christ alone plus nothing and God resists the proud then I'm not sure that we don't have a problem.




1 Peter 5:5 ¶ Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.



Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

I became a Christian around age 12 but one of the hardest thing to break was my pride to accept him.

So lets go to the John 3:16 verse:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The word "believe" is the same word "commit" in John 2:24

John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

When you sin wilfully and all sin is willful, are we committed to God?

And because we can't tell the wheat from the tares in the parable, we can't tell who is Christian and who isn't.

You can be saved positionally before the father but not forgiven in the sense of sins because we are practically sinners in the eyes of God.

So I suggest that you keep short accounts.

I've been a Christian for 36 years, had a Christian parent before that and went to churches before I was saved and I spend a lot of my free time studying the Bible so those who wish to mess with my doctrine won't get a simple answer because I've been studying for a long time. I'll be 37 in the Lord this year.

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

When was the last time I heard psalm 111:10 preached? Not for years.

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

God disciplines His church first and sometimes it can be gentle or painful.
Okay Chuck, so let me get this right. Point by point. If you are so inclined, please anser me point by point. I am curious as to where we are in agreement and where we are divided.

1 - So you do not believe in eternal salvation? You think a person can forfeit their salvation? I believe that by the way.

2 - It is by Gods grace we do not perish from only one sin? I believe that, btw.

3 - Sin causes damage in our relationship with God. But we can ask God for forgiveness and that he s]accepts our repentance, and we move on? I believe that too.

4 - If we are in doctrinal error, id God going to hold that against us if it is a sincere genuine error? And if He does, how? What will He do? Do we lose or forfeit our salvation? Are we wolves in sheep's clothing if we say woman should be permitted to preach? Please answer me directly and clearly with these four questions. I can't tell you how to respond, but for my simple mind, a yes or no, or you not sure will suffice. And then please explain why in simple terms.

5 - Why do you keep bringing up homosexuality? Firstly, why do you seemingly separate it from other sexually immoral sins? Please answer me directly. Do you think one sin is worse then another? If so, is homosexual behavior a worse sin then lesbianism, or sexually deviant actions between a man and woman? Do you think that allowing woman to pastor is a road to homosexuality among the men in the church she is a pastor of?

6 - On a more personal note, and please be direct, you will not hurt my feelings. You know I have said that I go out and hand out tracts, and knock on doors in these parts from around mid to late April to around mid to late October, early November. If the weather were anything close to human friendly in VT, I would go the other months too.
Am I disqualified to do this because of my views on woman as pastors? Are my prayers without power because of this?

7 - I gave a mini sermon on the fear of God to my son just recently. I am in agreement that it is not preached enough. To much Joel Olsteenism in the church today. Do we agree on that?


8 - You have been a Christian a long time. You study the word. I respect that. I give more respect in regards to knowledge and wisdom to people that are older then me in years, and also in years in the Lord. Bit does that mean you can not be in error about this woman pastor subject? Is there even the tiniest chance that as a human, you can be mistaken? Even a 1% chance?

9 - Are you suggesting that those who believe woman can pastor are proud? If so, why? If so, are we saved?
 
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Did Paul say we would give an account? Did Paul give an exception that God wouldn't ask us to give an account as a steward or as an unsaved person?

There are several issues here. Talk is cheap and there are sheep and goats and some of the goats are wolves.

Anyone can lie and say they believe in Jesus and someone is going to quote a verse that has to do with gnosticism but the fact is that anyone can lie and say they are a Christian.

I've talked to "Christians" who didn't mean what they said and there are other people who claim they are Christian but have a totally different basis for being a Christian.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

People are going to profess they are Christians but Jesus is going to say He never ever knew them.



Matthew 7:13 ¶ Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The Bible says that broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many go in while the gate is narrow and few people find heaven. A lot of people say they believe but are only Christians on Sunday for an hour.



1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1 Corinthians 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

There are two different judgments in the Bible. One is the great white throne to damn unbelievers and explain to them why they are going to hell and the other judgment is the bema seat of Christ in 1 Corinthians 3:12-13

Here is a question for you. If your "ledger" has been washed away then why can a person get "silver" instead of "gold" or why can a person get "wood", "hay" or "stubble" and have their works burn up if their ledger is washed clean?



Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

I know a pastor that says that you can be saved and God doesn't have to forgive you.

There are two doctrines not taught today because people are Biblically illiterate and the Bible isn't taught today in most Churches because they teach biblical principles instead.

One doctrine is positionally righteous before the father and the other is practical righteousness.
When you sin, I believe you damage your relationship with God and should say, "I'm sorry. Please forgive me." and it should be accompanied with repentance and that you and others should keep short accounts with God. I'm not saying that a true believer becomes unsaved by sinning but I believe it can damage the relationship with God.

Matthew 12:20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.


Isaiah 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

I use to quote this verse to Christians who said they are fornicating with their boyfriends and so forth and then one day my eyes sat on the word "till" and that word has implications and it implies that time will run out and God will judge.

Acts 5:1 ¶ But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

We can take two view here. Either Ananias and Sapphira were Christians or they weren't. Which view should I take and these people are in the church today. I had one Christian minister seriously insult me and he said he could get away with it because he was eternally secure. The fact is Ananias and Saphira lied to God and they died.

And then we look at Lot's wife. She turned back and was turned into a pillar of salt.

And we look at Abraham's sins and there is still trouble in the Middle East because of one man's sins.

I downloaded a book by accident on my Kindle. It is called "Four Views on Eternal Security". And the question is whether a righteous God is powerless to judge Christians who want to sin and whether He will keep putting up with it. I think hell will be a reminder not to sin and there was one angel who corrupted himself and was damned. And since there is a book on "Four Views On Eternal Security", who is right and who is wrong?

And the sin of homosexuality is pride:



Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And there are people who say, "I'm a homosexual and a Christian." Do you think they are when you just have to believe? I'm not sure.

Salvation is grace through faith through Christ alone:

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

But I often wonder if they can receive grace because they are proud:

James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

So if salvation is grace through faith through Christ alone plus nothing and God resists the proud then I'm not sure that we don't have a problem.




1 Peter 5:5 ¶ Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.



Luke 18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

I became a Christian around age 12 but one of the hardest thing to break was my pride to accept him.

So lets go to the John 3:16 verse:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The word "believe" is the same word "commit" in John 2:24

John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

When you sin wilfully and all sin is willful, are we committed to God?

And because we can't tell the wheat from the tares in the parable, we can't tell who is Christian and who isn't.

You can be saved positionally before the father but not forgiven in the sense of sins because we are practically sinners in the eyes of God.

So I suggest that you keep short accounts.

I've been a Christian for 36 years, had a Christian parent before that and went to churches before I was saved and I spend a lot of my free time studying the Bible so those who wish to mess with my doctrine won't get a simple answer because I've been studying for a long time. I'll be 37 in the Lord this year.

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Psalm 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

When was the last time I heard psalm 111:10 preached? Not for years.

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

God disciplines His church first and sometimes it can be gentle or painful.
1. Am I suppose to make my text even bigger now to compete with yours?

(Actually, I just make my text #3, so it's easier on my eyes to read. #5 hit annoying.)

2. Okay, gotcha. You feel as if you should repent of every sin. How about going there and being honest about it rather than spending such effort trying to convince everyone else they're account will be audited, but yours won't? And if you don't think that has a thing to do with what you have been doing, then please explain to me why you keep telling everyone else about their accounts AND homosexuals, as if either has a blasted thing to do with lady pastors?

Capisce?
 
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I love listening to him. Good teacher. I follow him on Facebook. Lol all those preachers that are in heaven still preach on Facebook.
He was part of "The Big Five" (sorta the leadership and yet they had so little knowledge on the church they pastored that there should have been no leadership from them) in a church I belonged to. The church was part of the Discipleship Movement of the 70's and 80's. (It was an important church to me, because that's where I met and then married my husband.) The church had gone through a Jimmy Joneish thing right before I joined. That group of Jimmy-Joneish kind of people -- both the beguiled and lost people and the cruel, self-centered creep that overtook them -- landed right smack on one of the Big Five's doorstep -- literally. They moved to serve the creep so he could beguile that leader into letting him become part of the Big Five, and then kick out the Big Five to rule the whole nondenom with his craziness.

The doorstep they landed on was a man named Bob Mumford. (I don't know if he is dead or alive today, but he was roughly the same age as Derek Prince, and Derek was another one of our Big Five.)

The church I joined was a mess because they were still reeling from most of their young people moving away to join the Creep, who did that to them. A year later the young people came trickling back, wounded and crippled. Some continued to follow the Creep after Mumford decided he didn't need the Creep to take care of him. The Creep moved them up the entire eastern seaboard of America to start his own little cult compound. The ones who went with him for the second move, never came back to the Lord. The ones who followed him the first time eventaully wandered away from the ord, like plants ripped from their roots, but then tried to squeeze them back into the ground hoping they'd survive.

The whole problem with discipleship happened in that church.

We left that church I joined after all this 5-7 years later. (Lots of friends, but the teaching wasn't scriptural, so it took a lot for us to pull ourselves out.) Mumford openly repented for his part in the discipleship movement years later, which included admitting to the damage done in that church.

Derek Prince never did. Neither did any of the other "Big Five." Some of those crippled young people became our friends. (We were young then. They are our peers.) We were all "on fire" for the Lord. 20 years later, to a man/woman, each one walked away from God to follow their own made up religions.

I hold Derek Prince accountable for that. I hold them all accountable for that. I forgive Bob Mumford because he admitted his part. I do not trust a man who will not repent of such global damage he took part in.

So, yeah. I remember Derek Prince, but not fondly.
 
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Apparently you cannot distinguish between being a witness and a pastor. While a pastor is a witness a pastor has extensive additional responsibilities that a witness does not share.

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Roger
I said she was not a pastor. What was funny was that they said we don't have to listen to you anymore. We heard Him ourselves.
Nymfa had a church at her home someone posted here. I don't know what they had to do actually. Lead the cell group? Maybe there were also elders. To be honest I've never seen a female pastor in Holland. All I do here is just speculate. I do know from what I saw my ex had to do, that I'd never do that and really wonder if a woman alone can. Like all those guys with porn addictions. Hi, come over, I'll help you. No idea how that works tbh a female pastor. I only know Corrie ten Boom, but she wasn't a pastor.
 
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You mean the Joyce Meyer that makes tons of money from books, cds and speaking engagements? She is making merchandise of Gods people. Teaching not the gospel of Jesus Christ but the worlds philosophy of self betterment.

I can only hope your conversion experience is not based on what Joyce has taught.

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Roger
What I learned was that, Jesus died for my sins and that I'm saved by grace through faith.

Is that different from what you were taught?
 
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That's my pastor xD

But then again, we're all serving the same God with the same mission, proclaim Jesus' saving grace.

I don't understand the issue here xD
Wow, you go to the gathering he leads??
I wish he was in Md so I could go, but the internet is good too!

There isn't an issue. She just misunderstood who Coby and I were talking about.

Please tell him his sermons have helped me!
 
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Abigail, do you guys know of a gathering anywhere in MD that you would recommend to me?