What does the Bible say about homosexuality...

[Richard1976]

I think that for the most part Christians having not committed the sin of homeosexuality is the reason it is picked on and so vehemently condemned. I have broached this subject before, how much noise Christendom makes compared to how little (nothing actually) Jesus said about it while He walked this world. The way I was treated by other so-called Christians for simply mentioning this fact in one thread was disgusting, as they lined up and fell all over themselves vilifying me. A few of them continued to slander and gossip about me long after I stopped participating in the thread. It is apparent they love their sin more than they love the Truth.

Let Truth be with you and walk in the path of the Lord. The supposed Christians who only slander others to protect their sin's is one of the reasons that judgement has been bestowed upon mankind. You can not lie your way into Heaven no matter how stealthy the mind works.

There are some pretty nice and good Christians and there are the ultimate hypocrites who do everything opposite from the teachings of God inspired scripture. Many of them only wear the title of Christian because it makes them feel better about themselves and for no other reason. They enact their decision making righteous for a faith they do not believe in. Many of them beat their children, constantly lie, perform depraved acts behind closed doors and feel they should be redeemed by a faith they do not believe in.

I feel your struggle.

Keep the faith.

With God's Love.

 

[Dude653]

I think that for the most part Christians having not committed the sin of homeosexuality is the reason it is picked on and so vehemently condemned. I have broached this subject before, how much noise Christendom makes compared to how little (nothing actually) Jesus said about it while He walked this world. The way I was treated by other so-called Christians for simply mentioning this fact in one thread was disgusting, as they lined up and fell all over themselves vilifying me. A few of them continued to slander and gossip about me long after I stopped participating in the thread. It is apparent they love their sin more than they love the Truth.

Many Christians feel like you have to go on a homosexual Witch Hunt in order to prove how Christian you are. Also I see how there is a abundant mob mentality in this forum. I had a similar experience in a thread about the trinity. They love to gang up on anyone who disagrees with them. Gluttony is a sin but I don't see anyone protesting buffets. Alcoholism is a sin but I don't see anyone protesting bars. Fornication is a sin but I don't see anyone protesting the cable companies for airing it on TV. I don't recall the Bible telling us to pick and choose which sins to speak out about and which sins to remain silent about. How about we pray for them and show them kindness instead of condemning them and acting like we are superior to them.

 

[Willie-T]

Many Christians feel like you have to go on a homosexual Witch Hunt in order to prove how Christian you are. Also I see how there is a abundant mob mentality in this forum. I had a similar experience in a thread about the trinity. They love to gang up on anyone who disagrees with them. Gluttony is a sin but I don't see anyone protesting buffets. Alcoholism is a sin but I don't see anyone protesting bars. Fornication is a sin but I don't see anyone protesting the cable companies for airing it on TV. I don't recall the Bible telling us to pick and choose which sins to speak out about and which sins to remain silent about. How about we pray for them and show them kindness instead of condemning them and acting like we are superior to them.

Dang, Fellow! You can be pretty reasonable when you want to be. LOL

 

[Richard1976]

Many Christians feel like you have to go on a homosexual Witch Hunt in order to prove how Christian you are. Also I see how there is a abundant mob mentality in this forum. I had a similar experience in a thread about the trinity. They love to gang up on anyone who disagrees with them. Gluttony is a sin but I don't see anyone protesting buffets. Alcoholism is a sin but I don't see anyone protesting bars. Fornication is a sin but I don't see anyone protesting the cable companies for airing it on TV. I don't recall the Bible telling us to pick and choose which sins to speak out about and which sins to remain silent about. How about we pray for them and show them kindness instead of condemning them and acting like we are superior to them.

I am sure they do not see themselves that way.

 

[coby]

First the doors were opened to free porn on internet, living together in fornication, illegal divorce and remarriage. It was all no problem. The church slept and let it even come into church. Now all of a sudden everyone points at the homosexuals as if they are the problem.
Show them that you have got a new sinless holy loving nature and live like it. Think a lot will want that too.

 

[Richard1976]

First the doors were opened to free porn on internet, living together in fornication, illegal divorce and remarriage. It was all no problem. The church slept and let it even come into church. Now all of a sudden everyone points at the homosexuals as if they are the problem.
Show them that you have got a new sinless holy loving nature and live like it. Think a lot will want that too.

This crisis that we face and live with is coming to an end.

 

[coby]

I spoke to some homosexuals. They went to church since birth. When they were 14 they cried out to God to change them. Nothing happened. Church had no power, noone helped them. They gave up and now they're the reprobates and it's all their fault. Right.

 

[Spoonfulofsugar]

I wonder how many of us , in real honesty, know how to do that?

Unless I either just flat-out lie about it, or try to fool myself by posting a bunch of great-sounding Bible verses, I'm truly not all that sure I know how.

For instance, could you spend a few days around the Westboro Baptist mob, while they are spewing their hateful rhetoric at veteran's funerals, and really show them "love." I couldn't. (I've been there and done that with groups nowhere as nasty as them, and I came away maybe feeling sorry for them... but also disgust. Certainly not "love.")

I agree with you Willie mostly that is. The westboro church comes in the name of God so they are blasphemers. They need a sharp rebuke. Idk, They are as lost as the homosexual. The world > We all have a heart problem. Loving those who make our blood boil and who are disgusting to us? Im not going to sit here and say that I can but Id like to be able to . We all have a heart problem to some extent right? Thats why Jesus atoned for our sins because we are hopelessly damned without his sacrifice for us. Perhaps when we truly see how undeserving we really are ,then and only then can we begin to grow IN LOVE? Even then, if we dont continue to apply the word to our lives we will fall back. I admire your honesty about it. You have touched on what God has been honing in on with me lately.
We all need to be super aware that we are in a spiritual battle that has increased over the years. The body of Christ is under attack!
Bringing love back to the focus often and talking about humility and our weaknesses will help us to not only grow but to resist acting like one of the enemies allies

Blessings to you

 

[Spoonfulofsugar]

I spoke to some homosexuals. They went to church since birth. When they were 14 they cried out to God to change them. Nothing happened. Church had no power, noone helped them. They gave up and now they're the reprobates and it's all their fault. Right.

Well, you and I both know church isnt the power but its God. We dont know that they are reprobates. They may have never been saved in the first place. God is the only one who knows the heart . They need to keep searching.

Blessings to you

 

[Dude653]

When they protest military funerals, the family should be able to press harassment charges. But that's another topic

 

[kaylagrl]

It's no surprise to either of us that I don't often agree with you on much, but on this issue, I think we are in 100% agreement.

A 400 lb. hateful glutton who gossips about everyone, backstabs his 'friends', lies on his tax form, and still won't forgive his sister for some disagreement they had way back in High School, (all of which the Bible finds 'wrong') has no problem feeling he has a "right" to condemn, to Hell, someone who experiences the protective sweetness of warmth and love for someone of their own gender. That just doesn't sound like trying to emulate Jesus to me.

So because we sin we have no right to say something is sinful. Yes,someone who is justifying their own sin and sweeping it under the rug while pointing at someone else is,in itself, sinful. I dont say homosexuality is wrong,the Bible does. If we can't say something is wrong because we aren't perfect and sinless is ridiculous. The disciples weren't sinless but they preached on sin,they called wrong,wrong. We should be maturing as Christians,trying to live a sin free life. But I dont understand this new idea that because everyone sins no one can say sin is wrong. I dont see where that is preached in Scripture.

 

[coby]

Well, you and I both know church isnt the power but its God. We dont know that they are reprobates. They may have never been saved in the first place. God is the only one who knows the heart . They need to keep searching.

I think it's our responsibility to reach out and help them and pray for them. It's just sad to hear. Our church is open to them, a few came and got set free, but the rest doesn't even come.

 

[integerlost]

Anyone willing to step up to the plate?

vatican condones it, u.s.a. endorses it... Makes me wonder why... Quite honestly I am sick of having it thrown in my face and if not accepting of it, made to feel guilty.

Well those people who force you to accept it make you feel guilty, so you got to know where your feelings come from. Strangely enough when I was homeless in Queensland a homosexual man let me rent a room in his house, only because he wanted to have sex with me. I lived with a whole community of homosexuals for 8 months and I observed what they're like. Oh yeah the go around converting other men, and once they knew I wouldn't turn I was out on my ears.

 

[coby]

So because we sin we have no right to say something is sinful. Yes,someone who is justifying their own sin and sweeping it under the rug while pointing at someone else is,in itself, sinful. I dont say homosexuality is wrong,the Bible does. If we can't say something is wrong because we aren't perfect and sinless is ridiculous. The disciples weren't sinless but they preached on sin,they called wrong,wrong. We should be maturing as Christians,trying to live a sin free life. But I dont understand this new idea that because everyone sins no one can say sin is wrong. I dont see where that is preached in Scripture.

It's the way they say it. Living together is normal in Holland. If such a couple comes to church the first thing you say is not in a rude way that it's sin, like one woman from a cult like church did where I came, my goodness, these people just visited a baptise service from their family member and they lived together and were interested.
She said: You're not only a hooker when you sit behind a window.
People never came back of course.

 

[kaylagrl]

Uh, what you seem to be talking about is NOT the Gospel. And the Gospel is what we were told to share, not critical scrutiny of others and condemnation.

John the Baptist lost his head for telling the king that he was in sin for sleeping with his brothers wife. No one is talking about condemning anyone,thats ridiculous. How can someone know the way if Christians are too afraid to say it? Preaching the gospel in love is never wrong.

 

[Willie-T]

It's the way they say it. Living together is normal in Holland. If such a couple comes to church the first thing you say is not in a rude way that it's sin, like one woman from a cult like church did where I came, my goodness, these people just visited a baptise service from their family member and they lived together and were interested.
She said: You're not only a hooker when you sit behind a fence.
People never came back of course.

Of course. And some of us are so proud of ourselves for thereby "doing God's will."

 

[coby]

John the Baptist lost his head for telling the king that he was in sin for sleeping with his brothers wife. No one is talking about condemning anyone,thats ridiculous. How can someone know the way if Christians are too afraid to say it? Preaching the gospel in love is never wrong.

No but you need wisdom. One couple that lived together came to a church, accepted Christ. Preacher said to them: What you have is good, but it would be better if you got married. Later the Holy Spirit convinced them Himself.
Yet when he was on tv with a guy that cross dressed he said he thought he was nuts, but to the woman who's profession it is to talk about sex on the same table he was polite and friendly.
Why the double standard?

 

[NotmebutHim]

I'm jumping in.

Before I give my perspective, let me share a few things I believe, so that there's no doubt:

1. Any and all sin is detestable in God's sight
2. Even one sin is enough to separate us from God (without Christ)
3. Breaking just one of God's given laws is the same as breaking all of them (cf. James 2)
4. Certain sins in Scripture are called abominations.

Now with that out of the way, here's my take on the apparent selective outrage by some Christians against homosexuality versus other types of sins:

It was mentioned upthread about how there seems to be a dissonance between protesting gay marriage and protesting divorce. It can be safely argued that we as Christians have been, in a sense, forced to accept divorce as normal and no big deal. It is so commonplace that we don't really express much public outrage against it. The difference with homosexuality is that one can be possibly charged with a hate crime and/or sued just for speaking out against it, either verbally or by actions. That is not the case with divorce really, or most other types of sin for that matter. People who are merely divorced cannot use existing anti-discrimination laws as leverage to get what they want or to justify their lifestyles. We don't have things such as "divorce pride" parades, promoting and celebrating divorced people as a way of showing "diversity" or "corporate responsibility" or similar things.

That's why there is a lot of pushback from the Christian community with regard to homosexuality. And it does often come across as selective outrage, to the near exclusion of other sins.

It is true that an unsaved person is just as condemned for lying only one time as he/she would be for being a practicing homosexual. It is also true that Christ is willing to forgive both types of sin if the offender truly wants Him to be his/her Savior.

That being said, although there might be others, I can't think of a sinful practice besides homosexuality that is being pushed down the throats of people so vehemently.

I'm sure that the early Christians spoke out against certain practices but were silent on others. Probably because they were put in positions where they were forced to accept or even participate in them under threat of some serious consequence, death in a lot of cases.

That's why I believe many Christians come across as being hypocritical with homosexuality as opposed to other sins.

 

[kaylagrl]

And this is where most Christians have it twisted. I don't have to approve or condone someone's lifestyle to still have compassion for them. I will love them and show them kindness as I am biblically instructed to do. I'm not going to go all Westboro Baptist on them as this will only push them further away

Dude you are making a judgment call,and an unfair one. To say that if I say homosexuality is wrong that I don't love the person is judging. I have many relatives that are not saved,do I love them,you bet! More than life itself. If they ask me about a particular sin do I tell them what the Bible says? Or am I judging them? My cousin who is like a brother to me asked me about living with his gf. On top of that he said he had prayed about it and said he felt God said it was ok. Did I go off on him,did I yell and judge him? No, I simply said "God does not go against His word,not for anyone.If you believe God told you that you are mistaken,and I think you know better." He moved in with his gf and it changed nothing between us. He knew how I felt,I didn't harp on it. Was I wrong in what I said?

And btw Westboro kooks holding signs saying God hates fa#$ is not akin to telling someone homosexuailty is wrong. Its not the same as telling someone God has a different plan for their life,that He wants them to come out of bondage and be free.Its not the same,not at all.

 

[Willie-T]

Well those people who force you to accept it make you feel guilty, so you got to know where your feelings come from. Strangely enough when I was homeless in Queensland a homosexual man let me rent a room in his house, only because he wanted to have sex with me. I lived with a whole community of homosexuals for 8 months and I observed what they're like. Oh yeah the go around converting other men, and once they knew I wouldn't turn I was out on my ears.

.....................................................So?