popeye wrote,
Transpose lot,noah,the baby jesus,and jesus himself slipping away from the crowd that was going to stone him,plus he hides the jews OUT OF HARM,to a different location,(taken out of the area) during the GT. Now why does he REMOVE THEM????
Why don't you refer to the specific scriptures you have in mind and explain how you interpret them. I don't get most of the points you are trying to make.
It is sound biblical doctrine for God to remove his people.
You can look at general patterns if you want to. But more important to this issue is the very specific clear stuff the Bible actually says on the issue. You shouldn't be ignoring the specific stuff based on really loose general patterns.
It is already clear from II Thessalonians 1 that when Jesus returns that He will give the CHURCH rest and also execute judgment on them that know not God, and that this will occur when He comes to be glorified in the saints. We should keep this time period in mind when we read about 'that day' in II Thessalonians 2. If we actually go with what the text says instead of reading the modern pre-trib theory into the text, we'll gain a better understanding.
He Judged israel for DISOBEDIENCE. They went through his wrath.
The church is NOT JUDGED......as you guys believe is necessary,
The Bible says 'the Lord shall judge His people.' Of course, He will judge the just and the unjust. Being judged doesn't mean you end up condemned.
But you are attributing ideas to me that I did not argue. I just go with what the Bible says. When Jesus comes back, the saints are resurrected. We are waiting for Jesus coming, which means believers are supposed to be here when it happens. They that are Christs 'shall be made alive at His coming' in I Corinthians 15. It says 'at His coming' not 'seven years before His coming.' When the Bible gives us really specific details like that, we need to believe it. Very specific details trump loose allegorical interpretations of the Old Testament.
If you tried to come up with a theory that Jesus was crucified on a cross of stone from some kind of allegorical interpretation of the Old Testament, I can easily reject that because the New Testament tells us that He died on a tree. Trees are made from wood, not stone. And the New Testament shows us that Jesus will give the church rest when He comes back. So the church will be here when He comes back. You can allegoricalize stories about Noah or whoever all you want. That doesn't change what is explicitly stated.
else Jesus entertains wimps. Totally unbiblical.
I don't get your point. If you have a point to make, please make it plainly.
BTW,there ain't a single postrib rapture verse anywhere in the word.
I've shown you a couple. If you have any real direct pre-trib scriptures at all, please do so. 'Come up hither' doesn't prove your case.
Even you guys noah deal is a fail. (one day you guys will realize,noah was not "taken out" after the flood)
If you have a point to make, please make it. I don't see any reason why Noah, Lot or the 10 virgins fit pre-trib better than post-trib. Do you think the tribulational saints are the foolish virgins knocking on the door? It's still going to be too late after a post-trib rapture.
Read ALL OF IT.
They ORIGINATE FROM HEAVEN. They are in heaven already DURING THE ENTIRE GT.
Show specific verses and make specific verses if you have a specific verse to make. I can't read your mind.
Can you reconcile II Thessalonians 1 with pre-trib. If so, how?
