The "Rapture"?

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eternally-gratefull

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Hi eternally grateful, May God's Love fill your soul,

You are right about Paul not saying when the resurrection would happen.
But can you explain how the 7yr-mill pre trib theory fits into Paul's timeline without adding a resurrection?
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why would I have to.

All people who have died and are awaiting their lord raptured in the beginning, Trib saints raptured at the end.. This does not take away from what Paul said, All are still ressurected.

I am still waiting for why Jesus would be sent to rule an empty earth. And not bless those who :endured to the end" whith witnessing his return, and being the first to be ruled under him.

If I was alive, I would think this would be the greatest thing that ever happened here on earth.. And would be greatly blessed by it. What a reward!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Then please stop attacking people and claiming rapture is a man made theory, when it is not, as you just admited

Who cares about what Tim lahaye did, Thats in Gods hands, lets stick to facts and not worry about what others may or may not have done. The pre trib rapture belief preceded tim lahaye by years,, All he did was what many did, and tried to make a movie about it..
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How about you take your own advice?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Nikki84 said:
How about you take your own advice?
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Take my advice?

Dude, If your going to attack people. expect to get attacked back.

If you want to discuss, then discuss


I am sick of people coming in here and attacking others with nonsense which has nothing to do with the conversation.

If your going to keep doing it, I will keep attacking you back to expose you.

If you stop. and wish to discuss, We can have a civilized discussion.

the choice is up to you
 
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popeye

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though I agree with you of no evidence for pre trib unless a fast tongue an a juggling act is used abra-ca-dabra as for regarding "he who restrains" would be the spirit who's is straining (trickling threw if you will) the powers of darkness, off the face of thee earth but not out of our hearts. (ill let you marinate on that thought. God bless.
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I can ,quite handily,show the impossibility of your doctrine without any of your supposed smoking guns.

I take the heart of the matter to the word.

The restrainer can be anything you desire,and pretrib rapture is still an easy win for any Berean.

Btw,you do not have a single postrib rapture verse.
 
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Hi Brother Popeye,

Jesus was the first resurrection, then those at His coming.

So is the second resurrection mentioned here the rapture, or a different resurrection, because after it happens it is the end. Which resurrection in the pre trib understanding is this?
 
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popeye

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Nikki84 said:
I like your thinking! :) I also believe this is how ppl will be fooled into following the AC
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When you get done kicking Mr lahaye,see if you can find Any verse pointing to a postrib rapture.

Should be real easy,since you gamble looking for the false Christ over waiting for the king.

I mean,there must be at least one???
One verse??
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Take my advice?

Dude, If your going to attack people. expect to get attacked back.

If you want to discuss, then discuss


I am sick of people coming in here and attacking others with nonsense which has nothing to do with the conversation.

If your going to keep doing it, I will keep attacking you back to expose you.

If you stop. and wish to discuss, We can have a civilized discussion.

the choice is up to you
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Sir you have been attacking me since you came in the MIDDLE of this discussion and you still don't understand that I am against this Left Behind Rapture fairy tale. Do you get that? You shoot and ask questions later. Please refrain from addressing me or I will report you for harassment
 
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popeye

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abcdef said:
Hi Brother Popeye,

Jesus was the first resurrection, then those at His coming.

So is the second resurrection mentioned here the rapture, or a different resurrection, because after it happens it is the end. Which resurrection in the pre trib understanding is this?
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Nice dodge

Can't go there can you?
 
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popeye

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Nikki84 said:
You guys can't really handle that some people do not accept your man made rapture.
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There are several raptures in the word

Didn't I already school you on this.
 
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abcdef

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Hi popeye brother in Christ,

You can't explain this?
 
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popeye

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Hi popeye brother in Christ,

You can't explain this?
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Sure,I went to your verse,corrected you on what first fruits is,and you refuse to acknowledge the fact that first fruits is a part of the same harvest.

You have shown your ability to dodge this.
Lets see a real answer.

Do you understand what first fruits is?

It was your verse,you can't unpack it?
 
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popeye

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eternally-gratefull said:
Take my advice?

Dude, If your going to attack people. expect to get attacked back.

If you want to discuss, then discuss


I am sick of people coming in here and attacking others with nonsense which has nothing to do with the conversation.

If your going to keep doing it, I will keep attacking you back to expose you.

If you stop. and wish to discuss, We can have a civilized discussion.

the choice is up to you
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Make him defend his position.

He will leave
 
Nikki84

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popeye said:
There are several raptures in the word

Didn't I already school you on this.
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Schooled me? Hardly! You have given your interpretation. That's all. I have a different view.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Nikki84 said:
Sir you have been attacking me since you came in the MIDDLE of this discussion
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Sir, You attacked, And I attacked back, and asked you to please stop attacking. You have continued to attack. And so have I. do we need to go back and revisit our first post?

and you still don't understand that I am against this Left Behind Rapture fairy tale.
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I know you are. But what you do not seem to understand is left behind was released as an act of fiction. Not fact. So your attacking a fictional series as if it was releases as fact. which it never was..I have never seen the movie or read the books,, I have heard it does not follow scripture very well (most movies do not, look at the noah movie and the moses movie just released) but the movie does not change what I believe, nor would it..

You want to attack a movie, open a thread and attack it, Not that it will do much,, Because I do not know a christian who bases his or her belief on a movie..

You attacked and place everyone who believes in anything but post trib rapture in the same mold. (which is another lie) Called us us brain dead, And many other names, The first post I responded to was not even a factual post. just an attack, which had no basis of fact whatsoever, just belittling your brothers and sisters in Christ. What kind of person does that?

Do you get that? You shoot and ask questions later. Please refrain from addressing me or I will report you for harassment
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lol. all I am doing is confronting someone who has no problem attacking others instead of just sticking with facts. Go ahead report me, I have done nothing wrong.

You keep attacking my brothers and sisters with nonsense, and name calling, I will keep calling you out.
 
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I will leave because the fanatics are upset with me as I am with them
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Nikki84 said:
Schooled me? Hardly! You have given your interpretation. That's all. I have a different view.
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so do people have different views than you, It does not make them

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Some of my friends think that we will have to teach millions of dumbfounded Christians when their "rapture" doesn't happen. This is interesting since I'm not a teacher, but I can listen and wipe their tears and assure them Christ is still real
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Delusional and sick

Nikki84 said:
You are free to swallow hook, line and sinker the delusional ramblings of a sick woman
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A rapture that is biblical, you call man made(again, time was not discussed, just the term.)

Nikki84 said:
You guys can't really handle that some people do not accept your man made rapture.
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need I go on??
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Nikki84 said:
I will leave because the fanatics are upset with me as I am with them
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I am not upset

I am not a fanatic (but you just gave me something to add to my list of names you call people)

All I ask is you stop attacking and belittling people.

Is that to hard?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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popeye said:
Make him defend his position.

He will leave
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I never asked him to leave.

Just discuss without name calling and belittling people who do not agree with him.

 
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abcdef

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Hi popeye brother in the love of Jesus,

I'm sorry if I don't quite understand all the details of your viewpoint. Help me out here.

ok, Jesus is the first fruits, I guess we would agree on that.

And the harvest would be the souls of the saved going to heaven. Since Jesus was the first, it would be everybody since then.

You told Nikky84 in post 229 that there are several raptures taught.

Do you believe that the raptures (resurrections) that you speak of all take place, but Paul doesn't mention them?
Or that they are symbolized by the resurrection "at His coming," spoken of here?
 
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I apologize to the thread. I was trying to articulate my view and it has been misinterpreted. I did not mean to belittle anyone, just an idea. I don't feel I was belittle or attacking anyone. I will not participate anymore, and won't come back because E. G. will have a fit if I post again
 
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