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psalm6819

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I apologise thepsalmist if you feel I was saying you said sin does not matter.

I am saying holding to the position future sin is forgiven, so when you sin it does not matter, because it is already forgiven while you sin, is an absurd idea. We had someone tell exactly how this worked. Again a few agreed with this very idea, as if in the kingdom sinning is just part of the walk.

Now I know sticking to a theology is very commendable, but the idea that a person can sin, be in rebellion but Christ looks at this with forgiveness and mercy is not part of scripture. We are forgiven for repented sin, when we walk in humbleness and faith before the Lord.

Now you are accusing me of sinning by stating this reality. Now whether you hold to this position or not is not my concern, my concern is the position itself. It is between you and the Lord where you stand.

It does disturb me that so much is taken wrongly, and such a concept sees the light of day, but confessing "christians" are walking without grief at their rebellion. Can a christian, willingly re-crucify Christ and yet claim there are no problems with this?
"The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world" an absurd idea???????

sounds like all sin was "future sin" in GOD'S eyes

He has no past or future He is I AM
 
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The power of sin is still in the flesh. All of Romans 7:14-23 speaks of this. This is why we need to understand spiritual circumcision of the heart and flesh. Where the inner man in Christ is cut away from the flesh - also called the circumcision of Christ.

If we don't understand the circumcision of Christ - the whole truth of the "old man" that has been crucified with Christ and of the new creation in Christ that has been created in righteousness and holiness - our understanding of the new man in Christ will be skewed.

Romans 7:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.

[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.


Romans 8:10 (NASB)

[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
 
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The Corinthian church was messed up. They were living carnally, worldly, as lost men. Paul calls them out time and time again for their wrong. Yet, Paul reminds them, "ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." Why does Paul remind them of who they are in Christ...so they will start living as such.

No, your body is not redeemed yet, but you are in covenant with Christ (if you've been baptized into Christ). That's what it means to be in Christ. He in you, you in him.
 

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You can preach this brother till your blue in the face...some will never get this concept...sad really

The power of sin is still in the flesh. All of Romans 7:14-23 speaks of this. This is why we need to understand spiritual circumcision of the heart and flesh. Where the inner man in Christ is cut away from the flesh - also called the circumcision of Christ.

If we don't understand the circumcision of Christ - the whole truth of the "old man" being crucified with Christ and of the new creation in Christ that has been created in righteousness and holiness - will be skewed.

Romans 7:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.

[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.


Romans 8:10 (NASB)

[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
 
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roaringkitten

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We are redeemed by the blood of Christ, and cleansed, and purified, but it is we who walk, and it is our walk the shows our cleansing. It does not justify us, but it stands as a witness to the work of Christ within us. If our walk was still as slaves to sin, of what value is Christs redemption and cross. Is there no victory in your life and heart, no setting free of love to reign supreme, do you not know of the resurrected life, or of the joy of your salvation?

If not, what are you walking in, and how are you different from when you did not know Christ?
No one disagrees that we ought to walk worthy of our calling(2 Thess 1:11), that we should live godly in this present world(Titus 2:12), that we are created in Christ Jesus to good works(Eph 2:10), and that we should deny ourselves and take up our cross daily and follow Him(Luke 9:23). What does His Sacrifice mean to us grace believers? This is our position, the Word speaks for itself(Emphasizing in red-Rom 6:1-14):

1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you................etc
 
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You can preach this brother till your blue in the face...some will never get this concept...sad really

Faith comes from hearing....there is always hope...it's the Spirit of God that gives us revelation..it cannot be grasped in the natural mind of man..all truths regarding Christ come the same way.

How shall they believe if it is not preached as Paul said in Romans 10?
 
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Every single believer, from the time he/she is born from above, receives the gift of holy spirit within (the new man). It is in this new man that we are to mature and grow up. This is a lifelong endeavor and sometimes it is a struggle because our old man just does not want to be crucified. When I stumble, it's not that I purposely fall so that I can enjoy the pleasures of sin. It is because I stumbled. This is not the same as purposely sinning.
 
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5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you................etc
Amen....well said....the part in green above is what is needed in order to understand this.

It's in the "knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Christ "...it's in knowing this truth that the revelation of the new man in Christ and the sin issue becomes clearer for all of us.
 
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roaringkitten

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Amen....well said....the part in green above is what is needed in order to understand this.

It's in the "knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Christ "...it's in knowing this truth that the revelation of the new man in Christ and the sin issue becomes clearer for all of us.
Amen, good point! I was just trying to show to those who keep declaring we believe that sin doesn't matter, that we can live however we want, etc....but yes, your point is critical for understanding this! We must also keep in mind how the blood sacrifice gives us motivation to live for Him!

"How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" Heb 9:14
 
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Amen, good point! I was just trying to show to those who keep declaring we believe that sin doesn't matter, that we can live however we want, etc....but yes, your point is critical for understanding this! We must also keep in mind how the blood sacrifice gives us motivation to live for Him!

"How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" Heb 9:14
That's a common false accusation. No matter how many times you say the opposite it is irrelevant to some people.

Sin is destructive and will ruin our life as well as affect others around us that we love. It will ruin our witness of the Lord to people that need Him. Sin is just plain stupid.

Now to the religious mindset not doing the "biggie sins" is how they judge other believers because they don't do those sins ( well they say that anyway ).

In essence if people don't do what they wouldn't do..then they are doing the "will of God". Yet, these very same people will walk in malice and slander to their fellow brethren without batting an eye and think they are "doing the will of God".

And yet still the grace of God is available to all of us. Thank you Jesus!
 
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If a believer is under the false teaching that because future sins are forgiven it's okay to sin, he/she has not properly been taught what Scripture reveals in Rom 6 --- shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? GOD FORBID!!!!!
 
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Friend, no one ever said it wasn't a struggle. But nowhere does Paul say he sinned often/frequently/daily.
Just because you are tempted doesn't mean you cave to that temptation. You need to stop being a weak-kneed "christian" and stand strong.
I struggle, but I don't cave.
You believe Paul to not be able to be obedient to the word, to his own teaching. That is beyond foolish.
I'm afraid you will find that he DOES say that very thing........ "What I want to do, I don't do, and what I don't want to do, those things, I do." Just what do you think that is talking about?
 
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The Corinthian church was messed up. They were living carnally, worldly, as lost men. Paul calls them out time and time again for their wrong. Yet, Paul reminds them, "ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." Why does Paul remind them of who they are in Christ...so they will start living as such.
Amen...the common religious person today would say to those Corinthians.." You are all going to hell" because you are not doing the will of God.

We need to be taught about what Christ has done for us in His finished work and who we are in Christ so that we can walk outwardly our true nature in Christ. It's His life and fruit that bears on us - His branches. Without Him we can do nothing.
 
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If a believer is under the false teaching that because future sins are forgiven it's okay to sin, he/she has not properly been taught what Scripture reveals in Rom 6 --- shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? GOD FORBID!!!!!
Amen!..Paul himself had to say that at least 4 times alone in Romans because he was being slandered by religious people - saying that Paul was saying it was ok to sin now because of the gospel of the grace of Christ. Grace is scandalous and it is a an offence to religious self-righteous mindsets.

Romans 3:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), "Let us do evil that good may come"? Their condemnation is just.
 
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dancinglady

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I was just thinking the same thing. It's been forever since I've heard "sin" mentioned anywhere. In these days of "political correctness" , it's easy to see how that has crept into the church as well. After all...."we don't want to offend anybody." It seems we don't want to offend people, but aren't all that concerned, if at all, of offending God.
 
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dancinglady

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The topic of Judgement might be interesting.
 
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thepsalmist

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The power of sin is still in the flesh. All of Romans 7:14-23 speaks of this. This is why we need to understand spiritual circumcision of the heart and flesh. Where the inner man in Christ is cut away from the flesh - also called the circumcision of Christ.

If we don't understand the circumcision of Christ - the whole truth of the "old man" that has been crucified with Christ and of the new creation in Christ that has been created in righteousness and holiness - our understanding of the new man in Christ will be skewed.

Romans 7:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.

[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.


Romans 8:10 (NASB)

[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Thank you for this, brother ...
 
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Thank you for this, brother ...
I believe we have not even scratched the surface of what our Lord Jesus Christ has done for us in His finished work. There is no greater revelation than to know Christ and His love and grace for us, as well as to know the true nature of our good, loving Father.

We have this to look forward to...we have a great salvation and life in our Lord Jesus Christ!

Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
 

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"The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world" an absurd idea???????

sounds like all sin was "future sin" in GOD'S eyes

He has no past or future He is I AM
DANG!!! psalm6819 wins by KO! ;)
 
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The topic of Judgement might be interesting.
A believer has been cleared of all judgment IN Christ. Jesus went to the cross and shed His blood and every stroke that hit His body from the Roman whip was for us. He did not do this in vain. By His stripes we are healed.


Jesus died once for all our sins—past, present and future. (Hebrews 10:12) His work is perfectly perfect and completely complete, so He doesn’t have to die for us again. Today, we proclaim His death simply by partaking of the Lord’s Supper.
Every time you partake, you are saying that because Jesus has been judged and punished in your place, you cannot be judged and punished. Because Jesus died. He conquered death and stripped the devil of his powers, you will not be defeated. The victory is already yours!
That is why the psalmist David said, “You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies…” (Psalm 23:5) The Lord’s table is prepared for you in the presence of your enemies because when you partake of the bread and wine, you will see your enemies tremble and scatter! Why? Because when you proclaim the Lord’s death through the Holy Communion, you are reminding the devil and his cohorts of their humiliating defeat at Calvary’s cross! (Colossians 2:15)

last paragraph taken from Destined To Reign Devotional