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Honestly...the reason folks look for peace or whatever is because they want what only God can give by his Spirit.. anyone that wants to be high on the Holy Spirit.. send me a PM and I will help you to learn to pray and stay full and "high" on the real deal.. it might take some prayer..but you can have something so much better than these chemicals
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A couple of things about this post (and a few others of yours)-
Obviously I don't know much about you, your history, your life. But it's equally obvious to me that you're a bit lost and confused about things- for instance, what God is really all about (in another thread you seem afraid of His harsh judgement of your thoughts/behavior, but at the same time there's this thread where you seem to think God is cool with recreational drug use as long as He made the drug...these attitudes just seem very conflicting to me). You seem at odds even with yourself quite a bit- you come in and post these things but within your post tell people not to be harsh or judgmental; you appear to know which topics are going to draw a bit of fire but don't want to hear it.
You come across as very...naive but rebellious, and between your avatar and some of your posts, I think you're going to find yourself the recipient of the wrong type of attention.
Please don't take my words as...a lecture, or as though I'm chewing you out- I don't mean them that way and I don't want to push you away from the forum here. What I'm saying is out of concern for you, and out of experience...my past is riddled with similarities to your present.
I grew up in a Christian home, I went to church my whole life, I didn't get into the drinking and partying scene (at your age). Yet, I was far more involved with guys than any teenage girl should have been, I had random bouts of guilt that made me afraid God would punish me, I often only felt worth anything if men were paying attention to me, and I wanted to seem cool and relaxed in front of my friends so when they'd get drunk or stoned, I'd act like it was no biggie. No big deal for 15, 16, 17 year olds to be getting high. No big deal that we were all lying to our parents. No big deal that we were often with people older than us and completely oblivious to the dangers we were exposing ourselves to.
All of that was when I still lived with my parents and held some fear of getting in trouble. After I moved out, there were no boundaries to protect me from myself- the things that weren't a big deal when my friends did them stopped seeming like a big deal for me once I wasn't worried about getting caught. I could do what I wanted, and what I wanted to do was make people- older guys, particularly- like me. I didn't really have any strict limits on what I would do- drinking til I blacked out, getting high if the opportunity presented itself, overtly "sensual" photos for complete strangers online, going places alone with men I barely knew...and in the few quiet moments in between parties, intense guilt and begging God to forgive me and promises to change. But then within a few short days or weeks, I'd be waking up in some guy's bed or on the floor of a house I didn't recognize. I witnessed- and experienced- some truly horrible things due to my behavior, my naivety, my inability to draw the line somewhere. I saw friends arrested, or hospitalized, or beat up by their boyfriends. I stayed in a situation where I was being beat up by someone else's boyfriend. I was raped. My friends were being hurt, I was being hurt, we were all toxic to each other, and none of us knew how to get out of it.
I know that this all seems pretty extreme to you, and you might be thinking it has nothing to do with you or anything you've posted. Admittedly this post might have gone better in your previous thread, but I've kind of just lumped everything I've wanted to share with you into this one post and happened to be in this thread when I felt prompted to share it. Anyway, what my sob story has to do with you-
You've got one foot on the same road I went down. I'm sure you don't see it that way, and that's ok, I don't expect you to agree. In fact, I don't expect anything at all from you, I merely hope and pray that you will at least read what I've written. Maybe you will remember it, once you've moved out of your parents house and suddenly have no rules. Maybe some small part of my experience can serve as a warning to you, or any other young woman who is a little lost and whose self-esteem depends on men finding her attractive.
Please forgive me if I've made assumptions about you or your life...I just have been seeing some red flags in your posts and it's been worrying me for a few days now.
Obviously I don't know much about you, your history, your life. But it's equally obvious to me that you're a bit lost and confused about things- for instance, what God is really all about (in another thread you seem afraid of His harsh judgement of your thoughts/behavior, but at the same time there's this thread where you seem to think God is cool with recreational drug use as long as He made the drug...these attitudes just seem very conflicting to me). You seem at odds even with yourself quite a bit- you come in and post these things but within your post tell people not to be harsh or judgmental; you appear to know which topics are going to draw a bit of fire but don't want to hear it.
You come across as very...naive but rebellious, and between your avatar and some of your posts, I think you're going to find yourself the recipient of the wrong type of attention.
Please don't take my words as...a lecture, or as though I'm chewing you out- I don't mean them that way and I don't want to push you away from the forum here. What I'm saying is out of concern for you, and out of experience...my past is riddled with similarities to your present.
I grew up in a Christian home, I went to church my whole life, I didn't get into the drinking and partying scene (at your age). Yet, I was far more involved with guys than any teenage girl should have been, I had random bouts of guilt that made me afraid God would punish me, I often only felt worth anything if men were paying attention to me, and I wanted to seem cool and relaxed in front of my friends so when they'd get drunk or stoned, I'd act like it was no biggie. No big deal for 15, 16, 17 year olds to be getting high. No big deal that we were all lying to our parents. No big deal that we were often with people older than us and completely oblivious to the dangers we were exposing ourselves to.
All of that was when I still lived with my parents and held some fear of getting in trouble. After I moved out, there were no boundaries to protect me from myself- the things that weren't a big deal when my friends did them stopped seeming like a big deal for me once I wasn't worried about getting caught. I could do what I wanted, and what I wanted to do was make people- older guys, particularly- like me. I didn't really have any strict limits on what I would do- drinking til I blacked out, getting high if the opportunity presented itself, overtly "sensual" photos for complete strangers online, going places alone with men I barely knew...and in the few quiet moments in between parties, intense guilt and begging God to forgive me and promises to change. But then within a few short days or weeks, I'd be waking up in some guy's bed or on the floor of a house I didn't recognize. I witnessed- and experienced- some truly horrible things due to my behavior, my naivety, my inability to draw the line somewhere. I saw friends arrested, or hospitalized, or beat up by their boyfriends. I stayed in a situation where I was being beat up by someone else's boyfriend. I was raped. My friends were being hurt, I was being hurt, we were all toxic to each other, and none of us knew how to get out of it.
I know that this all seems pretty extreme to you, and you might be thinking it has nothing to do with you or anything you've posted. Admittedly this post might have gone better in your previous thread, but I've kind of just lumped everything I've wanted to share with you into this one post and happened to be in this thread when I felt prompted to share it. Anyway, what my sob story has to do with you-
You've got one foot on the same road I went down. I'm sure you don't see it that way, and that's ok, I don't expect you to agree. In fact, I don't expect anything at all from you, I merely hope and pray that you will at least read what I've written. Maybe you will remember it, once you've moved out of your parents house and suddenly have no rules. Maybe some small part of my experience can serve as a warning to you, or any other young woman who is a little lost and whose self-esteem depends on men finding her attractive.
Please forgive me if I've made assumptions about you or your life...I just have been seeing some red flags in your posts and it's been worrying me for a few days now.
She's also 17 and a fairly new believer (or at least new at getting serious about it). It shouldn't be surprising if she acts a bit immature or naive at times. But I will completely agree that when stress and troubles lead you to think "I need some pot (or a drink, or any drug, or to overeat on sugary junk food)" then there is something not good in your thought process. The metaphor of a crutch might be good, something you use when something is broken or weak, but something that is not a good thing to rely on permanently. It's not that I advocate drug use, but I don't think we're consistent on what drugs we make illegal and what drugs we legalize. Would her desire to chemically induce a bit of peace be more acceptable if she had a prescription for anti-depressants instead of smoking pot every once in a while? (Not trying to shame anyone who is or has ever been on anti-depressants, just trying to point out how differently we view people regularly using acceptable drugs for an emotional boost.)
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Quote "She's also 17 and a fairly new believer"
That is evident by the posts she is writing. And I would not be so direct except for the fact that the first person that tried to tell her weed was not a good thing to be doing she angrily shot them down and said they were judging her. There are times you need to be firm and tell people the truth.
Quote " It's not that I advocate drug use, but I don't think we're consistent on what drugs we make illegal and what drugs we legalize. Would her desire to chemically induce a bit of peace be more acceptable if she had a prescription for anti-depressants instead of smoking pot every once in a while? "
No, I dont personally see anti-depressants as any different. I say that as someone who has dealt with depression because of chronic pain and illness.I went to a doctor when I first moved to the US and told him my issues. His response was to hand me a bag of hard core anti-depressants. I went home and promptly threw them in the trash. I have a girlfriend who use to be on them.One weekend she realized she didn't have enough pills to carry her though. She called to get a few pills till she could see her doctor. She said she was freaking out,shaking and crying. She said the nurse laughed and said "whats wrong,have you "hit the wall?" Right then she weaned herself off them. So no, I dont see it as different. If she said she was trying to stop that would be a different thing. But to justify it using the Bible is wrong and she needs to know that.
Jesus was a known drinker, his first recorded miracle was turning water into wine. So I don't see the need to take offense at someone being intoxicated. Occasional use of cannabis doesn't seem much different from occasional drinking, to me.
However, smoking as a -lifestyle- carries the same problems as drinking as a lifestyle, especially if you are using it to cope with something that isn't getting better and needs a real solution.
Some people will be more vulnerable to addiction for various reasons. They will go in with the 'it's ok to do it moderately' crowd but they won't stop when that crowd stops. Look at the love Paul displays when talking about whether it's ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols -- "Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble." (1 cor 8:13).
He had liberty and authority as a believer to appropriate God's creation (that meat) but chose not to because of the effect it would have on others. So even if we have 'liberty' there will be times when the wise and loving thing to do is abstain. Also if you are in heavy spiritual battles, intoxication can open you up to attack; after all it is used purposely in some religions that way.
So while it's not always a sin, sometimes it's wrong for others or wrong for yourself. You don't have to be religious about it but don't go the world's way about it either, go with the Holy Spirit and don't let something else be your main source of comfort. We already have a 'Comforter' =]
edit: one more thing, just like drinking responsibly requires some maturity, I definitely don't think it's good for teens to smoke, given how much pressure they're under and how much of a spiritual target they are, at least in America.
However, smoking as a -lifestyle- carries the same problems as drinking as a lifestyle, especially if you are using it to cope with something that isn't getting better and needs a real solution.
Some people will be more vulnerable to addiction for various reasons. They will go in with the 'it's ok to do it moderately' crowd but they won't stop when that crowd stops. Look at the love Paul displays when talking about whether it's ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols -- "Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble." (1 cor 8:13).
He had liberty and authority as a believer to appropriate God's creation (that meat) but chose not to because of the effect it would have on others. So even if we have 'liberty' there will be times when the wise and loving thing to do is abstain. Also if you are in heavy spiritual battles, intoxication can open you up to attack; after all it is used purposely in some religions that way.
So while it's not always a sin, sometimes it's wrong for others or wrong for yourself. You don't have to be religious about it but don't go the world's way about it either, go with the Holy Spirit and don't let something else be your main source of comfort. We already have a 'Comforter' =]
edit: one more thing, just like drinking responsibly requires some maturity, I definitely don't think it's good for teens to smoke, given how much pressure they're under and how much of a spiritual target they are, at least in America.
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The only thing im gonna say is. I am not reading all those replies ... Slow your horses down people.. I only said cannabis not cocaine ... Jeez.. Like i said i will speak to god about this.. I obviously asked if anyone else smokes on here i didnt ask for advice or for a bible verse or for history uses of weed and ended doing bad with it.m i appreciate all of yall caring or trying to tell me what yall know about it but thats not what i asked... God bless yall
According to the Bible wine can mean unfermented,or fermented,grape juice,which I do not believe Jesus turned the wine in to fermented wine,but grape juice.
We should not do anything that is harmful to our body,and not healthy in the long run,for that would not be godly.
God says He tempts no person,but they are tempted when led away of their lust,which if God allowed us to drink a little alcohol,it could lead to more,and God knows how people act when they are drunk,it is not always a guarantee they will act correctly,which those things would be under the category of lust,for God created us to only go by our needs,food,clothing,and shelter,not catering to the flesh,in any other fashion.
God did not say you can kiss a woman you are not married to,but do not fornicate,or steal things less then 10 dollars,but not above that price,so God would not allow us to drink a little,but do not drink a lot,for if God allowed us a little it could lead to more,and God does not tempt any person,and being drunk,or high,where it impairs your judgment would not be right.
Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Pro 23:29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
Pro 23:30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
Pro 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
Pro 23:32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
Pro 23:33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
Pro 23:34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.
Pro 23:35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.
At least it appears to me that God does not want us to drink alcohol,and the Bible calls the grape juice,wine,before it ferments.
Now somebody might get away with saying God does not care if we have a little alcohol,but do not be drunk,but common sense would tell you,that it is a temptation that they might drink more if allowed to drink a little bit,that could lead to being drunk,and you know the commercial,nobody can only eat one Lay's potato chip.
It could be God allows a little wine,which I believe would be naturally fermented grape juice,without the tampering of people,but it still does not seem right to me,and does not make sense.
We should not do anything that is harmful to our body,and not healthy in the long run,for that would not be godly.
God says He tempts no person,but they are tempted when led away of their lust,which if God allowed us to drink a little alcohol,it could lead to more,and God knows how people act when they are drunk,it is not always a guarantee they will act correctly,which those things would be under the category of lust,for God created us to only go by our needs,food,clothing,and shelter,not catering to the flesh,in any other fashion.
God did not say you can kiss a woman you are not married to,but do not fornicate,or steal things less then 10 dollars,but not above that price,so God would not allow us to drink a little,but do not drink a lot,for if God allowed us a little it could lead to more,and God does not tempt any person,and being drunk,or high,where it impairs your judgment would not be right.
Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Pro 23:29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
Pro 23:30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
Pro 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
Pro 23:32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
Pro 23:33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
Pro 23:34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.
Pro 23:35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.
At least it appears to me that God does not want us to drink alcohol,and the Bible calls the grape juice,wine,before it ferments.
Now somebody might get away with saying God does not care if we have a little alcohol,but do not be drunk,but common sense would tell you,that it is a temptation that they might drink more if allowed to drink a little bit,that could lead to being drunk,and you know the commercial,nobody can only eat one Lay's potato chip.
It could be God allows a little wine,which I believe would be naturally fermented grape juice,without the tampering of people,but it still does not seem right to me,and does not make sense.
When people talk about drugs and alcohol, I always think of a public service announcement in which a girl and a guy are at a party and have been getting high. The girl is totally out of it and the guy makes a move to start unbuttoning her shirt. The girl tries to say something in protest, but the guy says, "Shhh...." and keeps on going, and she's in a state where she's almost incapacitated and can't move to stop him.
I am only speaking for my own personal self but the reason I avoid things that can alter my state of mind is because of the loss of control. If I lose control, especially in certain social situations, I am making myself more vulnerable to harm or abuse, which, for me, is a huge fear. Therefore, I try to avoid things that won't allow me to have more control over defending myself or making my own decisions.
Now, I am NOT saying at all that people who drink or do drugs are bad people or automatic criminals. I'm just making a statement as to why I make the choices I do for myself.
When I was growing up, pot was illegal everywhere and so I was also afraid of things such as, oh, let's say, GOING TO PRISON, and also getting addicted to a feeling that I was paying out the nose for. I know people who spend more money on pot and alcohol than they do on food, and I didn't want to wind up like that because there are other things I'm hoping for in life.
I've had plenty of friends who participate in such things but they were kind enough not to do them around me or would spend time with me and then we'd part ways so they could go to the "after party."
I once dated a pothead who was carrying a stash with him as I drove us to an amusement park 4 hours away. I was SO naive and stupid!!! We had to go to another state, and it was only much, much later that I realized how much trouble I would have been in if we would have been stopped and the cops would have searched the car. I could just imagine calling my parents from jail and trying to explain what happened...
To me, the risks--and mind-altering effects--just aren't worth it, but I do understand why others make that choice (usually they're trying to escape from something, even if it's just everyday life.)
I am only speaking for my own personal self but the reason I avoid things that can alter my state of mind is because of the loss of control. If I lose control, especially in certain social situations, I am making myself more vulnerable to harm or abuse, which, for me, is a huge fear. Therefore, I try to avoid things that won't allow me to have more control over defending myself or making my own decisions.
Now, I am NOT saying at all that people who drink or do drugs are bad people or automatic criminals. I'm just making a statement as to why I make the choices I do for myself.
When I was growing up, pot was illegal everywhere and so I was also afraid of things such as, oh, let's say, GOING TO PRISON, and also getting addicted to a feeling that I was paying out the nose for. I know people who spend more money on pot and alcohol than they do on food, and I didn't want to wind up like that because there are other things I'm hoping for in life.
I've had plenty of friends who participate in such things but they were kind enough not to do them around me or would spend time with me and then we'd part ways so they could go to the "after party."
I once dated a pothead who was carrying a stash with him as I drove us to an amusement park 4 hours away. I was SO naive and stupid!!! We had to go to another state, and it was only much, much later that I realized how much trouble I would have been in if we would have been stopped and the cops would have searched the car. I could just imagine calling my parents from jail and trying to explain what happened...
To me, the risks--and mind-altering effects--just aren't worth it, but I do understand why others make that choice (usually they're trying to escape from something, even if it's just everyday life.)
Well sweetie, when you ask for advice on here, you'll get all brands of it, good and bad. And yes, some of it will be firm, as kaylagrl pointed out. Her and myself, as well as others here, say things as we see them. Truth is truth, and I for one don't sugar coat it or gloss it over to be viewed with rose-colored glasses. In alot of the threads you start, you say "don't judge me", and that tells me you KNOW what you're doing is wrong. Some here are giving you the history of cannabis so you'll be more aware of how it affects you. Is it good for medicinal use. Yes. Is it good for recreational purposes, such as getting high for fun? NO. Especially not when it's a teenager doing it. :/
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Quote "Jesus was a known drinker, his first recorded miracle was turning water into wine. So I don't see the need to take offense at someone being intoxicated. "
Jesus did not get drunk,he was not intoxicated. Personally I dont believe Jesus drank fermented wine,and if it was fermented it was very little,not at all like we have today. The Bible is very specific about being intoxicated.
[h=3]Ephesians 5:18[/h]And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit
[h=3]Galatians 5:21[/h]Envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[h=3]Proverbs 20:1[/h]Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 6:10[/h]Nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
[h=3]Proverbs 23:29-35[/h]Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has strife? Who has complaining? Who has wounds without cause? Who has redness of eyes? Those who tarry long over wine; those who go to try mixed wine. Do not look at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup and goes down smoothly. In the end it bites like a serpent and stings like an adder. Your eyes will see strange things, and your heart utter perverse things. ...
[h=3]Isaiah 5:11[/h]Woe to those who rise early in the morning, that they may run after strong drink, who tarry late into the evening as wine inflames them!
[h=1]Romans 14:21[/h]21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Those are only a few verses on the subject. The Bible talks about being sober and of clear mind. Being intoxicated is directly against what the Bible teaches. Whether it be drink or drug,both are wrong.
Quote "However, smoking as a -lifestyle- carries the same problems as drinking as a lifestyle, especially if you are using it to cope with something that isn't getting better and needs a real solution."
Totally agree.
Quote "go with the Holy Spirit and don't let something else be your main source of comfort. We already have a 'Comforter"
Very well said.
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