Once saved, always saved

[PurerInHeart]

Truth is love, so I will tell you the truth, precious soul that my Father wants in heaven. (Sugar-coating the best I can). OSAS is not true. The bible says IF you remain faithful till the end you will receive a crown of life. And Paul says it's possible for even him, who has taught so many others, to be disqualified for the prize (heaven) if he does not force himself to be in submission (effort). God will never leave us, but it is possible for us to leave Him. Jesus says if we love Him we will obey His commands, and if we do not obey Him He will tell us to depart from Him on judgement day.

Many men come up with many man-made doctrines, but God says 'They worship Him in vain because their doctrine is merely human rules and they follow that instead of following His Word (bible). God wants all people to obey Him so they can be saved, but most will not choose to, and some who do chose to will choose to leave and return back to the world. They are a prodigal son- they can return to the Father, but if they do not before they die, then their fate is sealed. And for those who have known and obeyed the truth, yet left the truth of the bible to follow man-made doctrine, God says that since they have tasted truth and known that God is good, it is impossible for them to return. These were once saved, but are no longer saved.

 

[Demi777]

Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Okay anyone who tells me OSAS now is a hipocrite

 

[John146]

God wants all people to obey Him so they can be saved, but most will not choose to, and some who do chose to will choose to leave and return back to the world.

Why did Christ die on the cross again? Are we forgetting the entire reason Christ died? Is it not because man cannot obey God? You are making the cross in vain, of little importance.

Do you obey the Lord in all things? If not, at what point are you not born again?

 

[Grace777x70]

Truth is love, so I will tell you the truth, precious soul that my Father wants in heaven. (Sugar-coating the best I can). OSAS is not true. The bible says IF you remain faithful till the end you will receive a crown of life. And Paul says it's possible for even him, who has taught so many others, to be disqualified for the prize (heaven) if he does not force himself to be in submission (effort). God will never leave us, but it is possible for us to leave Him. Jesus says if we love Him we will obey His commands, and if we do not obey Him He will tell us to depart from Him on judgement day.

Many men come up with many man-made doctrines, but God says 'They worship Him in vain because their doctrine is merely human rules and they follow that instead of following His Word (bible). God wants all people to obey Him so they can be saved, but most will not choose to, and some who do chose to will choose to leave and return back to the world. They are a prodigal son- they can return to the Father, but if they do not before they die, then their fate is sealed. And for those who have known and obeyed the truth, yet left the truth of the bible to follow man-made doctrine, God says that since they have tasted truth and known that God is good, it is impossible for them to return. These were once saved, but are no longer saved.

Welcome to CC.

You will come to find out that a lot of these beliefs you have just mentioned are man-made beliefs taught to you by the church you went to and your religious upbringing. Everyone of your points can be easily refuted by scripture. I encourage you to read through the threads here....welcome again and we hope you grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus and the wonderful salvation He has done - apart from ourselves...Have a great day..

 

[Demi777]

Why did Christ die on the cross again? Are we forgetting the entire reason Christ died? Is it not because man cannot obey God? You are making the cross in vain, of little importance.

Do you obey the Lord in all things? If not, at what point are you not born again?

....

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That is false. This is where you cross the line into salvation by works. You don't seem to make a distinction between faith AND works. Prior to my conversion, while still attending the Roman Catholic church [and still and unbeliever], I erroneously thought that faith "is" baptism, faith "is" multiple acts of obedience, faith "is" works, which is completely false. Faith is faith and works are works.

Faith that doesn't produce any works demonstrates that it's a dead faith, but that does not mean that works are the essence of faith. Works are the fruit, by product and demonstrative evidence of faith. Faith is the root and works are the fruit of salvation. No works at all demonstrate there is no root.

Faith is not work, but work is the essence of a real faith because faith without it is not really faith. So it is the distinguishing characteristic.

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but faith working through love. Galatians 5:6​

Also, faith doesn't produce work; man produces work in faith.

 

[PennEd]

This whole Grace saves alone by the blood of Jesus vs. Grace saves with the blood of Jesus PLUS doing works to maintain your salvation can be put to rest by believing once you are a sheep you remain a sheep.

In order to lose your salvation, you have to believe that you became a sheep, and then somewhere along the way of life, you morphed into a goat!

We are baptized into Christ. The metaphor I heard a Pastor use I like very much. A "baptized" cucumber, that becomes a pickle, CANNOT the become "Unbaptized" and become a cucumber again!

It seems so simple to me. I pray those struggling with this issue would simply accept the ONE true Gospel. That Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, came to earth, suffered, was crucified, died, was buried, and rose again on the 3rd day.

Romans 10:9New King James Version (NKJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP]that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

PERIOD!!

 

[notuptome]

Truth is love, so I will tell you the truth, precious soul that my Father wants in heaven. (Sugar-coating the best I can). OSAS is not true. The bible says IF you remain faithful till the end you will receive a crown of life. And Paul says it's possible for even him, who has taught so many others, to be disqualified for the prize (heaven) if he does not force himself to be in submission (effort). God will never leave us, but it is possible for us to leave Him. Jesus says if we love Him we will obey His commands, and if we do not obey Him He will tell us to depart from Him on judgement day.

Many men come up with many man-made doctrines, but God says 'They worship Him in vain because their doctrine is merely human rules and they follow that instead of following His Word (bible). God wants all people to obey Him so they can be saved, but most will not choose to, and some who do chose to will choose to leave and return back to the world. They are a prodigal son- they can return to the Father, but if they do not before they die, then their fate is sealed. And for those who have known and obeyed the truth, yet left the truth of the bible to follow man-made doctrine, God says that since they have tasted truth and known that God is good, it is impossible for them to return. These were once saved, but are no longer saved.

You missed it. Salvation is not a reward it is a gift. Grace makes salvation a gift from God. Sanctification is where you receive reward for serving the Lord.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Welcome to CC.

You will come to find out that a lot of these beliefs you have just mentioned are man-made beliefs taught to you by the church you went to and your religious upbringing. Everyone of your points can be easily refuted by scripture. I encourage you to read through the threads here....welcome again and we hope you grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus and the wonderful salvation He has done - apart from ourselves...Have a great day..

PurerInHeart, IN case you don't already know, this person follows what's known as hyper grace.

 

[notuptome]

Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Okay anyone who tells me OSAS now is a hipocrite

Jesus is not speaking to the church but to Israel in this passage. This is not about individuals but about the nation of Israel. This passage is prophetic and speaks of how Christ will judge the nations.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[roaringkitten]

Technically, we're not saved by faith or grace either; we're saved by GOD. So really it's pointless to play these word games. Just like faith, work is necessary because without it faith is dead. So work is not the issue, its motivation is.

You moan about us supposedly misrepresenting what you say, but you just clearly contradicted Eph 2:8-9!

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Eph 2:8-9

How much clearer does it get? You say we are not saved by grace, the verse clearly says we are saved by grace through faith!

You must do the righteous work of abstaining from sin and doing the will of GOD in order to be saved.

You say we are saved by righteous works when the Word clearly says:

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" Titus 3:5

I just showed you clearly contradicting 2 verses by your own testimony and you still think we are just playing word games with you! Then you have the nerve to falsely accuse the grace brethren on CC that we advocate living sinfully! You greatly err in the Scriptures!

 

[Grace777x70]

Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Okay anyone who tells me OSAS now is a hipocrite

Notice that in Matt 7:19-23..Jesus said "I never knew you "...these people were not believers.....everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....

John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.



Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world

Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:


It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.

1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being lead by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. we walk them out as we life our lives dependent on Him.

Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)

[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

 

[Demi777]

Notice that in Matt 7:19-23..Jesus said "I never knew you "...these people were not believers.....everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....

John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.



Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world

Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:


It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.

1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being lead by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. we walk them out as we life our lives dependent on Him.

Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)

[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

So are you tring to tell me that now that I am saved I can raise hell all over and start blaspheming God and not loose my salvation??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Truth is love, so I will tell you the truth, precious soul that my Father wants in heaven. (Sugar-coating the best I can). OSAS is not true. The bible says IF you remain faithful till the end you will receive a crown of life. And Paul says it's possible for even him, who has taught so many others, to be disqualified for the prize (heaven) if he does not force himself to be in submission (effort). God will never leave us, but it is possible for us to leave Him. Jesus says if we love Him we will obey His commands, and if we do not obey Him He will tell us to depart from Him on judgement day.

Many men come up with many man-made doctrines, but God says 'They worship Him in vain because their doctrine is merely human rules and they follow that instead of following His Word (bible). God wants all people to obey Him so they can be saved, but most will not choose to, and some who do chose to will choose to leave and return back to the world. They are a prodigal son- they can return to the Father, but if they do not before they die, then their fate is sealed. And for those who have known and obeyed the truth, yet left the truth of the bible to follow man-made doctrine, God says that since they have tasted truth and known that God is good, it is impossible for them to return. These were once saved, but are no longer saved.

If I may, Do you think eternl life is a reward which is earned by works, or a gift recieved by Grace?

If You think eternal life/heaven, being born from above is a prize. Something that is earned by hard work. And not the gift God said it is. then you are in err.

Scripture says you can not earn salvation, thus you can never work hard enough to gain salvation.

Rom 4:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]2 [/SUP]For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.


OSAS is true because it teaches that salvation is a gift, which s unearned by the reciever (grace) given only by the mercy of a loving God.

to say that eternal life, or heaven, is a reward, or a prize is to say you can earn it. If this was true, The cross is meaningless.

Paul says it best.

Titus 3: [SUP]5 [/SUP]not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]6 [/SUP]whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, [SUP]7 [/SUP]that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

The apostle John even says it. So according to scripture. Two witnesses are enough to prove a point, and here we have two apostles who have witnessed that savation is a gift of God, not a prize which is to be earned.

John 1: [SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: [SUP]13 [/SUP]who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

If we want to get to heaven, we can not do enough work to earn it, We must recieve the prize from God.

Paul spoke of his reward. Not of his eternity, Paul knew his eternity was no only secured in Christ, But guaranteed by he seal of the spirit.

2 Corinthians 1:20-21

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Ephesians 1:11-14

[SUP]11 [/SUP]In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, [SUP]12 [/SUP]that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory. [SUP]13 [/SUP]In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, [SUP]14 [/SUP]who[SUP][b][/SUP] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Okay anyone who tells me OSAS now is a hipocrite

Hey sis, that passage speaks against legalism, not osas. how anyone can claim this verse speaks against osas just boggles my mind, in all seriousness, without trying to sound nasty (please do not take it that way)

Those people did all kinds of work in Gods name, Yet God said HE NEVER KNEW THEM those people were not saved, then lost salvation.

They were never saved.

 

[Grace777x70]

So are you tring to tell me that now that I am saved I can raise hell all over and start blaspheming God and not loose my salvation??

I'm telling you that your salvation is based on the finished work of Christ. Why would you want to sin all you want when you are a new creation in Christ? Paul himself was accused at least 4x times of saying "what should we sin now so that grace would abound?"

If when you preach the gospel of the grace of Christ - no one say to you -"What are you saying we can sin all we want?"..if no one says that to you - you have not preached the same gospel that Paul preached.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This whole Grace saves alone by the blood of Jesus vs. Grace saves with the blood of Jesus PLUS doing works to maintain your salvation can be put to rest by believing once you are a sheep you remain a sheep.

In order to lose your salvation, you have to believe that you became a sheep, and then somewhere along the way of life, you morphed into a goat!

We are baptized into Christ. The metaphor I heard a Pastor use I like very much. A "baptized" cucumber, that becomes a pickle, CANNOT the become "Unbaptized" and become a cucumber again!

It seems so simple to me. I pray those struggling with this issue would simply accept the ONE true Gospel. That Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, came to earth, suffered, was crucified, died, was buried, and rose again on the 3rd day.

Romans 10:9New King James Version (NKJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP]that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

PERIOD!!

Thank you I love it, Like the dog, who was made into a sheep. He will not return to his own vomit. Because he is no longer a dog.

 

[Grace777x70]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So are you tring to tell me that now that I am saved I can raise hell all over and start blaspheming God and not loose my salvation??

Are you trying to tell me after receiving the gift of God, and seeing deeply how sinful you were. and how your life apart from God was meaningless. You would even contemplate doing such a thing?

thats like saying I was free falling into a volcano (basically what we all were doing before Christ saved us from the pit of fire) and we decide we want to jump back in again.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This whole Grace saves alone by the blood of Jesus vs. Grace saves with the blood of Jesus PLUS doing works to maintain your salvation can be put to rest by believing once you are a sheep you remain a sheep.

In order to lose your salvation, you have to believe that you became a sheep, and then somewhere along the way of life, you morphed into a goat!

We are baptized into Christ. The metaphor I heard a Pastor use I like very much. A "baptized" cucumber, that becomes a pickle, CANNOT the become "Unbaptized" and become a cucumber again!

This idea that goats become sheep is just man-made nonsense. Jesus told his disciples to go find the lost sheep of the house of Israel, not find the lost goats and convert them to sheep.

The concept is based on the belief that GOD saves a person based on their nature, rather than on their abiding in Christ. It's a completely Christian gnostic idea.