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Magenta

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and once more, you just have to realize that you can not prove the bible is correct by quoting the bible, that can not work, it is circular.
Using that way of proving the bible, I can prove a book about batman is true because it says so in a book about batman.
If it works for anything, then it is no proof at all, we need something else.

I'm asking over and over, what else do you have to show the bible is special?
I keep posting about God revealing Himself because that is what it took for some of us and probably what it will take for you, that is all... your mind is in the natural realm, you have been seeking through natural means, and for some that is enough, their intelligence and rational mind becomes convinced of the veracity of what they read in the gospels, combined with other sources, historical and archeological etc; atheists certainly have come to Christ this way. However, experiencing God is in the supernatural realm, I am sorry, that is one way of saying something that you may just reject because you seem to reject the supernatural, but there is no other way to explain it in ways that are congruent with Scripture, and having that supernatural experience, I know I have seen some here say that is what it took for them, and me too, I was so opposed, more than I was even aware.

Question everything? I sure did. That encompassed exploring other things, not just by reading about them, but by doing them, to experience beyond the realm of the mind, don't think that means leaving your intelligence out of the equation, it does not, I have already explained this, your mind is always going to engage with your experiences, analyzing, weighing, measuring, comparing, doing what our minds do. Do you meditate? You know your mind operates on different levels and in different states of consciousness. And about dreams, many dreams are lost simply because they are not brought to mind upon waking. I don't really pay much attention to my dreams any more, but when I did, the more I did the better I got at remembering them. What you said about that was kind of funny, you know. Again you have no idea what I dreamed or what subsequently happened but you summarily dismiss the whole experience, not just one experience, the whole thing of dream exploration as a means of raising spiritual awareness. Funny! ;):p:) Anyways, yeah, if you want to know something about God, are you going to read a book on tulips or orchids? So when you experience God, where is the most logical place to turn? That is all. :)
 
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It seems to me you have lumped all faith based religion in the category of Christianity. If this is so you do err.
Christianity has a Lot of stigma attached to it. We are not snake charmers, people that blow up the planparenthood buildings or the ones who tell the troops that fight for this country they are cursed by God.
You compare us to the Muslim people because of their faiith based belief and similar structure but we are worlds apart.
We all have challenged God's word and now we are learning to stand on it because it is truth.

Doing that for the last few hundreds years since we stumbled on that methodology, we've attained some knowledge as to what is most likely to be true, but that knowledge is always challenged, always refined, always changing, always growing, that the beauty of it, it is not dogmatic. What we were wrong about before we can discard because we replace it with something more true. Those who don't do that are dogmatic and when they are shown to be in error over and over they don't change their mind, and become delusional.

And as I said in a previous post your truth changes our does not. We have a never changing God who knows the end from the beginning you seem to have a hard time rapping your mind around that concept.
Wishful thinking, mythology, a few of your words to describe our faith? What do you think we are all broken dumb, stupid people that turned to Christianity to at least be apart of something. It's very hard for us a lot of times..but with the strength from our God we persevere. I pegged you at the beginning of this thread and have tried not to be apart of this discussion as you call it, did you ever study the science behind the bible for example how perfect the book of Luke is mathematically in its writings...That it could not even be produced by our computers today. Ever consider that the 66 books in the bible written by 40 different authors had the same story but most the authors didn't know each other? How your great thinkers said that Pilate did not exists because lack of evidence the same with Ramses and then proof a tribute to both was found. That's only the tip of the iceberg of why God's word is truth and never changes. You don't become delusional you begin to believe .
 
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pottersclay, just one question:

do you accept "a priori" that anybody who disagree with you about this is wrong?
 
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about the mathematical perfection of the gospel of luke, may i ask in which language or translation and in which version?
 
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pottersclay you are making wild claims here, be carefull
 
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magenta

Anyways, yeah, if you want to know something about God, are you going to read a book on tulips or orchids? So when you experience God, where is the most logical place to turn?

i just don't see why i should turn to the bible instead of the quran or any other scripture... you insist the bible is it, but you seem to ignore that other faiths make similar claims... I'm not talking only to you christians, to people who believe other things as well, and you are ALL saying th same thing to me, but you want me to believe in different things. this is extremely confusing!
 
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Miri

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Hi K,

I had a quick read through the evidence and empty tomb story you
posted j j Lowder about the possibility Jesus was never buried or that the body
was moved etc. .

I might have missed it but it does not mention the soldiers
guarding the tomb and the Roman seal put on it, etc.


Can i post a bit more. :)



Matthew 28:11-20 NKJV
[11] Now while they were going, behold, some of the guard came into the city
and reported to the chief priests all the things that had happened. [12] When
they had assembled with the elders and consulted together, they gave a large
sum of money to the soldiers,

[13] saying, "Tell them, 'His disciples came at night and stole Him away while we slept.'
[14] And if this comes to the governor's ears, we will appease him and make you
secure." [15] So they took the money and did as they were instructed; and this
saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.

[16] Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, to the mountain which
Jesus had appointed for them. [17] When they saw Him, they worshiped Him;
but some doubted. [18] And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority
has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. [19] Go therefore and make disciples
of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and
of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all things that I have
commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.


Here is a link on another study about the impact on everyone including, the baddies
as well as the goodies in this epic tale. Lol. It makes interesting reading as it includes
what the role of the Romans.

Impact of the Empty Tomb | The Institute for Creation Research

Incidentally we can't show you any black swans in this matter because there
aren't any. Sorry.:)


A few posts have touched on the work of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said I will
pour out my spirit and leave you with the Holy Spirit.

As christians who are drawn to God and convicted and brought to salvation, we
have the Holy Spirit living on the inside of us, you ask for evidence, the Holy
Spirit is part of that evidence, only you don't understand it until it happens to you.:)

Its like someone going on an amazing roller coaster ride, you can tell another person
what it felt like but until they experience it for themselves, they do not know what
it is like. Even if they only stand at a distance and look at the roller coaster, they
still cannot understand what it is like until they climb aboard for themselves.

We could all go on posting and reposting various pieces of evidence and opinions until
the cows come home ( no idea where that expression comes from lol), but that will
never achieve anything for you or us. You have to take up the challenge for
yourself, seek God with all your heart, prayer, ask the Holy Spirit to help you to
understand, I think I have said this before. Unless you do that and really mean it,
your experiment is flawed. Experiments have to have a practical element to them.

Lord Jesus I pray for Karaka that you will reveal yourself to him, that you would
soften that heart of stone which we all had once and Lord that he would be brought
to a point himself where he can no longer deny your existence, that he will be brought
to a point of true repentance and salvation.

Lord I look forward to the day when Karaka will come to CC and say, yes I know now
what you were all talking about for myself.

Lord you have a marvellous plan for Karaka, you have given him an inquiring mind,
an intellectual mind. Father bring him into your kingdom, let him be that person who
will also bring others to know you, who can use that intellect to speak to others.

Lord thank you for all you are doing in his life even though he doesn't yet realise it.

Amen



 

Magenta

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magenta

Anyways, yeah, if you want to know something about God, are you going to read a book on tulips or orchids? So when you experience God, where is the most logical place to turn?

i just don't see why i should turn to the bible instead of the quran or any other scripture... you insist the bible is it, but you seem to ignore that other faiths make similar claims... I'm not talking only to you christians, to people who believe other things as well, and you are ALL saying th same thing to me, but you want me to believe in different things. this is extremely confusing!
We want you to believe in different things? I have not seen any Christians promoting you believe in anything or one other than Jesus Christ, though I have not read all the posts. Still, I cannot believe what you say here. Some say it better, and some are more faithful to sticking only to the message of Christ and Him crucified and resurrected, but even I have been pointing you to Jesus as the Truth you seek, encouraging you to read the gospel of John so you may become better acquainted with him and even giving you a movie of the gospel word for word to watch for the same reason: JESUS!

So no, I am not going to say go read the Koran, did you not see what I told you about Mohammed? You want to follow an adulterous war mongering pedophile who thought he was demon possessed by the entity that eventually "gave" him the Koran? Muhammad raped, pillaged, murdered, was an admitted sinner, and you think you can compare him to the sinless Son of God?

I should have said, God revealing Himself to us through Jesus Christ, why would anyone look in the Bhagavad Gita to see what it says about that? And I am pretty sure that someone pointed out to you that Christianity makes unique claims. I am not sure why you misrepresent these things. Actually I could probably make some pretty good guesses. So if you are confused, I don't think you can honestly lay it on us. You seem to have problems synthesising.


Christianity is the only religion where God reaches down to man. Other religions are systems of do’s and don’ts to appease God; whereas Christianity is a relationship with God. Christianity looks to the Bible as the singular source of Truth. Finally, Christianity is based upon truly the most amazing event in all of human history—the resurrection.
What makes Christianity unique?
 
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Miri

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I think he means that all other religions are saying the same thing that he should believe
in their God and that they are all saying only their religion is correct. :)


K, sorry I keep forgetting how to spell your name.


One point on this question. All other religions are based on trying your best and
hoping for the best, ie try hard and you might just make it to heaven etc.

The Muslims for example believe you have an angel on one shoulder writing down
the good things you do and an angel on the other shoulder writing down all the bad
things they do. They hope they make the grade and the good things outweigh the bad
things otherwise they are doomed.

If I'm honest I don't know exactly what Hindus believe as its all so strange and
hard to pin down, I know they believe that what comes around goes around, Karma.
That if you are nice to everything even animals then you might be good enough
yourself - hence the reason most are vegetarians. They also worship many gods,
mostly in the form of combinations of animals.

Mormons, we'll look here

http://christianchat.com/christian-family-forum/133857-difference-between-mormon-christian.html


By the way, if you search through CC you will probably find discussions
about many of the more common religions.

Sorry got to run, I will try to post something later about why Christianity
is different, it's about the sacrificial gift of Jesus who paid the price for our sins, so
we can have assurance of forgiveness. Not the do your best and hope for the best way
of other religions. No other religion can give full assurance that you have been forgiven.

Lots to do today, sorry I work part time and am a carer for an elderly relative so it might
be a while before I can check back in.
 
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I just have to say though, that you are misrepresenting my position as an agnostic. Basically i m on the edge, i do not find God ( notice the upper case) to be that obvious, and to be honest with myself i need to ask believers to explain to me how they see God so that i can determine if they are right or not. So basically i m putting myself at your mercy, on a christian website, to convert me. Please go ahead but also please stay respectful
Every year, I look forward to this time of year when the lilac is in bloom and smells wonderful. The lilac is one of many proofs there is God.

First, the mathematical definition if "improbable" is 10^17. (Ten to the 17th power.) So where is the mathematical probably that a particular group of cells would become a particular group of cells, would become the same grouping every year, would be the same particular grouping every year at the same time of year, that every year at this time there would be the right weather conditions for that particular grouping of cells, that weather would exist and fit within a particularly narrow spectrum of possibilities at the the same place and the same time of year for those grouped cells, that those grouped cells would grow into a single organism that branches out or that branches at all, that it can then gather it's nutrients from a distant star (the sun) through it's flat green things all over it (its leaves) and through stuff we spend time trying to get out of our house (dirt) to produce clumps of tiny little flowers growing out the ends of just about every branch on that plant, which are also just a different type of grouping cells, but gather they do into a bigger flower head, and a lot of flowerheads, to give off a particular sweet aroma, that may or may not really be sweet, but our noses, which are also a particular group of cells intent on giving our minds --another particular group of cells -- the sense that it smells good and our eyes (also a particular group of cells) deem that it looks good for no specific reason, (because if you think this is how it procreates, it's usually not and it really has no particular reason to procreate in the first place -- besides a corpse plant procreates once a year by giving off a terrible funk), and yet, all that, just to produce a lilac bush. Why? How? What are the mathematical probability for just one lilac bush doing that every year, versus all of them doing that at this time a year?

It went way past probable. Is there any other answer but "there is God"?

You ask how we see God. I ask, how can you not? The lilac bush is producing wonderful flowerheads, pretty to look at, wonderful to smell, and yet, despite the fact that mine is inches away from anyone walking up and down the street, until I ask people to pause and smell it, very few even notice it. And when these strangers pause to smell it, I see two responses on their faces:
1. It smells wonderful.
2. That lady is cracked!
 
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i do not start with the premise that christianity is correct, in a true scientific spirit i start with the premise that god does not exists and now i'm doing my best to disprove that premise.
That's not true scientific spirit. That is 20th century propaganda posing as "true scientific spirit," at best. Unless you think Newton, Galileo, Einstein, and G.W. Carver weren't scientists or didn't have the right spirit for some odd reason. (And, no. They weren't all Christians, but at least they started with the possibility of God. Newton and Carver knew him with certainty.)
 
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Miri

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Hi K,

Back again, :)


Ok the problem, say if you committed a crime either knowingly or unknowingly.
Might be murder for example which you know is wrong. Or it might be that you
unknowingly drink alcohol in a country where alcoholic is forbidden.

There is a penalty for that crime is there not. You can say to the judge, look I will
try my very best not to do anything else wrong. In fact from now on I'm not going to
ever do anything wrong again. But the original crime is still a fact on record and
hand on heart, would you be able to live the rest of life without any wrong doing at all
ever?

This is what the other religions try to do, they hope the good will outweigh the bad, they
hope that whatever they do in the past will be forgotten. But how can they be sure and
what is the definition of good enough anyway.

The bible talks not only of sins of commission, but also of omission. There are things we
do which we shouldn't, but also things we should do which we don't. You see no one of us
can stand up to the holiest of God and say in and of themselves that they are good enough.


James 4:17 NKJV
[17] Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.



Matthew 25:31-46 NKJV
[31] "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him,
then He will sit on the throne of His glory. [32] All the nations will be gathered
before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides
his sheep from the goats. [33] And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but
the goats on the left.
[34] Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of
My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[35] for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink;

I was a stranger and you took Me in; [36] I was naked and you clothed Me; I was
sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' [37] "Then the righteous
will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty
and give You drink? [38] When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked
and clothe You? [39] Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'

[40] And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch
as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.' [41] "Then
He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the
everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: [42] for I was hungry and
you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;

[43] I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me,
sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' [44] "Then they also will answer Him,
saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick
or in prison, and did not minister to You?' [45] Then He will answer them,
saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least
of these, you did not do it to Me.' [46] And these will go away into everlasting
punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."




The bible says no one is righteous no not one single person born.


The knowledge of good and evil has been passed down to every person ever born.
The difficulty is that while we know of both, we also practice both. It's not a
case of knowing but avoid doing evil. Every little white lie, every word said in unjust
anger, every thing we should do but don't, every act of selfishness, every moment of
pride etc. It's endemic in our make up. So for Muslims who try to be good and the
others, what measure can they ever possibly use to try to work it out.

Going back to that analogy of the person committing a crime, even if they pay the
penalty for themselves, the crime will stay on record and it will be fixed in the
hearts and minds of who ever it affects. There is just no way we can ever be good
enough and pay the price for our own sin. Not only do humans demand a penalty
but so does God. God cannot and does not just change the rules and say oh well forget
it. He is a God of justice as well as a God of love, so to deal with the penalty side of the
problem, he made the ultimate sacrifice.

So suppose someone came along who was completely sinless and said look, I don't
deserve this, but I will serve your time for you and I will not only serve the time
for that crime, but for everything you have ever done wrong and for everything you will
ever do wrong. It will be just as if you have never done anything wrong.

That is what Jesus did by his death and resurrection, just as the first man, Adam
brought sin into the world and its consequences, Christ is like the last Adam, he paid the
price for us. He could do this because he is God the son. He could die an awful death
but the grave could never hold him as he had never done anything wrong, there was
no penelaty for him to pay personally. He bore our sins and wrong doing but not his
own.



1 Corinthians 15:45-49 NLT
[45] The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the
last Adam-that is, Christ-is a life-giving Spirit. [46] What comes first is the natural
body, then the spiritual body comes later. [47] Adam, the first man, was made from
the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven. [48] Earthly
people are like the earthly man, and heavenly people are like the heavenly man.
[49] Just as we are now like the earthly man, we will someday be like the heavenly man.





Jesus makes the difference from all other religions, he came to set us free from the
power of sin and death - I'm talking of eternal death, death as in separation from God.

The physical body dies, but where will you spend eternity that is what is at stake.
Will you become a Mormon and hope that you will one day be good enough to return to
God, they believe they existed with God before being born and that life on Earth is a
test.

Will you become a Muslim and hope the angel on one shoulder has more to note down than
the Angel on the other shoulder.

Will you become a Hindu who thinks every time you eat meat you are somehow destroying
yourself and don't forget about all those gods you will have to worship. Etc

Will you remain an atheist and ignore all those white swans.


Even the law of Moses had its flaws, all those continuous imperfect animal
sacrifices. That was just a fore shadowing of the coming of Christ to be our
Passover lamb. The Jews tend to be split into two camps those who believe in
Jesus and those who are still waiting for their Messiah. I mention the Jews as you
referred to the first five books the Torah earlier. Don't be like the Jews who were expected
a Saviour but when he turned up they did not recognise him.



Romans 3:21-28 NLT
[21] But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without
keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings
of Moses and the prophets long ago. [22] We are made right with God
by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who
believes, no matter who we are.
[23] For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God's glorious standard.
[24] Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this
through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins.
[25] For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made
right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding
his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back
and did not punish those who sinned in times past,
[26] for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in
this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he
himself is fair and just, and he makes sinners right in his sight when
they believe in Jesus. [27] Can we boast, then, that we have done
anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not
based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. [28] So we are made
right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.



I suppose you will read this and say but where is the black swan lol.

There is no black swan. Don't know why but I just was reminded of the
matrix, the film where the little boy said you are trying to bend the
spoon, but there is no spoon. :)

God bless
 
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I just have to say though, that you are misrepresenting my position as an agnostic. Basically i m on the edge, i do not find God ( notice the upper case) to be that obvious, and to be honnest with myself i need to ask believers to explain to me how they see God so that i can determine if they are right or not. So basically i m putting myself at your mercy, on a christian website, to convert me. Please go ahead but also please stay respectfull
Hi

If some here have their barbs out, it is because many atheists come here, claim to be seeking something, and then end up saying something like "how can you be as stupid as to be let yourself brainwash .... etc etc "

Why do I believe in God?
hm... because to me, the existence of God makes way more sense than nothingness
and, although I don't always "see" or "hear" him, I know so many Christians that had unlikely prayers answered that He must be real
 

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Karaka you mentioned that you'd love to believe in God, that it sounds great, heaven eternity etc. I often hear this around the internet and the usual reply is that unbelievers just like to be their own Gods etc.

I'll tell you a very embarrassing story of mine, hopefully I keep it appropriate.

In my prayers at night I was asking God to take a lot of the sin from my heart, lustful thoughts etc. "Please God make it go away" etc.. One night I thought I'd access a graphic video, a very rare occasion these days and as I hit play the delay wheel started spinning, after a couple of minutes I tried to shut the computer down but nothing worked(this never happens), after about ten minutes I thought "God? Is this you? How could you do this?" I literally banged the table in anger "How could you?" I repeated "This is just wrong" I was absolutely furious. A couple minutes later my computer started working again and I played the vid etc...

The next day I felt dreadful, like a petulant miserable child, think I may have skipped a day of prayer. It was so embarrassing... God will pierce the deepest recesses of your soul like a flaming dagger and show you truths unlike anything you'd ever imagined.

To you I probably come across as a mindless caveman screaming at his malfunctioning device and blaming the Gods which I won't argue lol. My point is not to prove some divine intervention, although that may be my belief. My point was to show you how deceitful my heart was, that I wanted something with all my heart and prayed to God only to find out that I really didn't want that at all and at the first sign of intervention I lost it.

We say we want God and Heaven but often we don't, like so many other great things we wish for. I find we usually want to do our own thing.

May God bless and the path of Jesus glow for you
 
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okay all,



busy at work today, no real time to check all you said yet... It is starting to get a bit overwhelming, i missed some posts, more came over, it is a bit too much at once and i won't have as much time to devote to this this week so i need to put a break to the discussion...



so, for those who are keen, can we have a quick, clear, short summary of why christianity would be unique and how we know this is true, don't explain the notions again, just state them...


i got your main point that God reveals himself through scripture and personal experience, you've made that clear. i still challenge that notion but at least you made it clear that it is central to your views.


then i'll focus on that, get into more reading, come back to the posts, and all that. I can't just dismiss what you say without checking more into it of course, and there is so much said that it is time for reflection. But don't worry, it might be in afew days or in a week or in a month, but I'll send you updates and more questions...



I would also like you to give me a quick summary of what you think i do wrong,, what you think I'm mistaken about. same, don't get into details again, just give me a list... your impression, what you've seen.



I would also be interested to know if any of what i said has bulged your certitude in any way about anything.



I noticed quickly Miri's prayer for me, thanks for that, I'll keep using my intelect by reading and checking and questioning, and if you are correct, well, hopefully I'll find out what's true and what's not...



But for now I need time to digest all that has been said, I'm affraid if we keep going like that we'll start going in circles... and a lot has been said in only a few days... I challenged your views and you provided responses, and now I need to analyse all this...



thanks for your time
 
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oh one thing more i meant to ask:

I've been reading material from this website: About | Strange Notions

and just realiwe the people there are catholics. I am not under the impression you people on this forum are, you said born again at some point.
Can I ask you how you chose a particular denomination over another? why are you not catholics, or baptists, or methodists or what ever you are not?
 
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And one more question for today:

If God is so eager for our friendship that he would enter our world, share our humanity, and bear our punishment on the cross, how could he feel it is appropriate to send anyone to endless judgment?
 
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okay all,



busy at work today, no real time to check all you said yet... It is starting to get a bit overwhelming, i missed some posts, more came over, it is a bit too much at once and i won't have as much time to devote to this this week so i need to put a break to the discussion...



so, for those who are keen, can we have a quick, clear, short summary of why christianity would be unique and how we know this is true, don't explain the notions again, just state them...


i got your main point that God reveals himself through scripture and personal experience, you've made that clear. i still challenge that notion but at least you made it clear that it is central to your views.


then i'll focus on that, get into more reading, come back to the posts, and all that. I can't just dismiss what you say without checking more into it of course, and there is so much said that it is time for reflection. But don't worry, it might be in afew days or in a week or in a month, but I'll send you updates and more questions...



I would also like you to give me a quick summary of what you think i do wrong,, what you think I'm mistaken about. same, don't get into details again, just give me a list... your impression, what you've seen.



I would also be interested to know if any of what i said has bulged your certitude in any way about anything.



I noticed quickly Miri's prayer for me, thanks for that, I'll keep using my intelect by reading and checking and questioning, and if you are correct, well, hopefully I'll find out what's true and what's not...



But for now I need time to digest all that has been said, I'm affraid if we keep going like that we'll start going in circles... and a lot has been said in only a few days... I challenged your views and you provided responses, and now I need to analyse all this...



thanks for your time
oh one thing more i meant to ask:

I've been reading material from this website: About | Strange Notions

and just realiwe the people there are catholics. I am not under the impression you people on this forum are, you said born again at some point.
Can I ask you how you chose a particular denomination over another? why are you not catholics, or baptists, or methodists or what ever you are not?
And one more question for today:

If God is so eager for our friendship that he would enter our world, share our humanity, and bear our punishment on the cross, how could he feel it is appropriate to send anyone to endless judgment?
Soooo, you really weren't so much into learning what makes us believe in God as you are into running down the standard excuse list?

No wonder you can't keep up. You're bouncing all around with the usual ditties and thinking you can handle the answers from 10-20 people.

When you want to get back to the basic question and tackle that before doing the hyper bounce excuse on excuse list, let me know. I'm not really into bouncing around with you. It proves nothing and seems to be specifically just an exercise in how much caffeine you can consume.
 
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And one more question for today:

If God is so eager for our friendship that he would enter our world, share our humanity, and bear our punishment on the cross, how could he feel it is appropriate to send anyone to endless judgment?
The Lord is not willing that anyone should perish ...He has left it in our hands ..He does not send us to endless judgment it is by rejecting his son his gift to us that places us there.
God has made it clear that he sits on the judgment seat.and always has. Knowing that man would always fall short and that sin needed to be punished he sent his son for the stead of us all.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who ever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16.
Jesus bore the sins of the world yet was perfect in the sight of the father, he took the punishment that was for you and I and gave his life so that we may live. All of this was prophetic through out the old testament and not in broad strokes I might add. God was very specific in the prophecies of messiah. Jesus fulfilled over 300 of these prophecies. He is not some random pick because of his good life and deeds. To give you a example the 22nd psalm was about the crucifixion of Christ in detail....written many years before the Romans ever used it as punishment.