Baptisms

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BrotherJustin

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I am sorry, but I am having a hard time believing that there are SEVEN baptisms!
The article does a great job of laying out each time 'baptism' is mentioned in its different contexts throughout the Bible.

It goes into detail, explaining the differences of each.

I like gotquestions.org -- have never found anything contrary to my beliefs presented on their website. It has helped me understand my own beliefs.
 
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Will I receive the Holy Spirit through water baptism? How do I know that I have the Holy Spirit?
If you've repented and come to the Lord Jesus for salvation, then, if you have such a question of concern to you, pray and ask Him for His Holy Spirit, which, as a believer, you likely already have,

John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Having the Holy Spirit is spiritual awareness, not something that necessarily takes you by storm. But people who ask receive, those who seek find. And, as a matter of fact, when you have the Spirit, you find yourself asking questions like you're asking, reading the Bible, seeking more of the things of God, seeking water baptism, the Spirit leading you, while you're wondering if you have the Spirit. The Lord promises you the Spirit and salvation, when you seek Him in truth. In that you can trust, as faith is, at its best, absolute trust in the promises of God. So, just because He said so, for now...

These are some wonderful verses, proving that you may trust the Lord for your salvation by faith. Simply believe, and He will work in you. These verses have everything you need to know, a great blessing for you, and all, if you care to attentively read them all:
 
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The article does a great job of laying out each time 'baptism' is mentioned in its different contexts throughout the Bible.

It goes into detail, explaining the differences of each.

I like gotquestions.org -- have never found anything contrary to my beliefs presented on their website. It has helped me understand my own beliefs.
Yes, gotquestions.org is consistently faithful, amidst a veritable jungle and minefield of bad and misleading websites. Excellent recommendation!
 
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By oldhermit

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What is Baptism?

The word baptize comes from the Greek word βαπτίζω – bap-tid'-zo. This is a verb meaning to dip, plunge, or immerse. The following definition is taken from the Thayer's Greek Lexicon, 1981 edition. “To cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water.” When the word baptize is used in conjunction with the directional preposition εἰς - meaning into, it stresses the direction into which the immersion takes us. For example: In Matthew 28:19, the apostles were charged by Jesus to baptize disciples 'into' the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Thus, baptism places one 'into' the possession of God. In Galatians 3:27, Paul tells the Christians at Galatia that having been baptized 'into' Jesus they are thereby clothed with Christ.

Baptism then serves as a connecting agent that unites us with Jesus. In 1Corinthians 12:13, Paul says that we were baptized 'into' one body. Baptism then is what supplies one entrance into the Church – the body of Christ being the Church. In Acts 2: 38, Peter says that baptism is 'into' the remission of sin. Immersion into Jesus Christ then, is a transference of one into the removal of sin.

II. Baptism is a Revealed Symbol
The idea of revealed symbols is a subject that we will discuss in another study but, for now, I think it is important that we understand the function of baptism as a revealed symbol. Symbols always represent something beyond themselves. A revealed symbol is an image or a representation that is provided to man by God to help him understand the significance of an action, a behavior, or an object and serves to connect the symbol to the unseen reality that is represented by the symbol. As an act, the symbol of baptism is simply the complete immersion of an individual in water. As a representation however, baptism creates a picture of something that is much greater than the physical act itself.

A. In Romans 6: 3- 6, Paul reveals to us the representations connected to the act of immersion. Immersion is a picture of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. “Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;” When one submits to the act of immersion, one is personally engaging in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus. In baptism one is:

1. United with the death of Christ. “All of us who have been baptized into Christ have been baptized into his death.”
2. United with the burial of Christ. “We are therefore buried with him by baptism into death.”
3. United in the resurrection of Christ. “We are also raised in the likeness of his resurrection.”
This is very striking imagery. By going down into the water, one is participating in the death of Christ. As one is immersed under the water, one is participating in the burial of Christ. As one is raised out of the water, one is participating in the resurrection of Christ. Immersion then is a symbol that connects us to the cross as we are crucified with Christ. It is the blood of Jesus that saves men from sin and Paul explains that immersion is the symbol that connects us to the cross. This is the only place one may come into contact with the blood. It is here that “our old self is crucified with him that our body of sin might be done away with.” It is also important to understand that baptism is a symbol of obligation on the part of the individual for Paul goes on to say in verse six, “that we should no longer be slaves to sin.” We are obligated to leave behind us the sinful behaviors of our past and to no longer engage in those things because we are now dead to sin. Our obligation now is to walk a new life. In verse 13, Paul charges us not to “go on presenting the members of our bodies to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those who are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness.” As such, we are now to consider ourselves “slaves of righteousness,” verse 18.

B. In Colossians 2:11-13, Paul links the idea of circumcision (which is also a revealed symbol) to the symbol of baptism. “In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your bwhole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. When you were dead in your transgressions and the circumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions.” Just as fleshly circumcision is the removal of the foreskin from the flesh, immersion represents the removal of sin from the individual. This is accomplished by God in the act of baptism as an act of “faith in the working of God who raised him from the dead.” Before one is baptized, one is dead in sin. Immersion represents a change in one's spiritual status. “He made you alive together with him having forgiven all your transgressions.” There is much more to learn regarding baptism as a revealed symbol but this will suffice for now. For now it is only important that we introduce the basics of the idea.

III. What Does God Accomplish for Us in the Act of Baptism?
A. God takes away our sin, Acts 2:28; 22:16, Romans 6:3, and Colossians 2:11. God removes that which prevents us from being reunited with God.
B. God brings us into Christ, Romans 6:3-6. This makes us his possession.
C. God clothes us with Christ, Galatians 3:27. We are now able to share in his righteousness.
D. God adds us to the body of Christ, 1Corinthians 12:13. He makes us part of a body of fellowship that God has called his people.
E. God makes us a new creature in Christ, Romans 6:3-21, Colossians 2:11-13. He has given us new life by destroying the old man of sin and recreating us in the image of God.
F. God frees us from the bondage of sin, Romans 6:3-21. We are now privileged to be servants of righteous and of the Most High God. We no longer have to be held in bondage to the sin that once enslaved us.
G. God saves us and gives us a clean conscience, 1Peter 3:18-21. We no longer have to be tormented in our minds because God has saved us from the sin that plagued our hearts.

IV. What is it that Saves a Person?
There is a variety of elements the Bible speaks of as being part of the salvation process. These include:
A. Faith, “For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” Ephesians 2:8.
B. Belief, “And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved, and your house.” Acts 16:31.
C. Confession, “For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” Romans 10:10.
D. Baptism, “The like figure unto which even baptism does also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:” 1Peter 3:2.
E. Hope, “For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man sees, why does he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.” Romans 8:24-25.
F. Grace, “For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” Ephesians 2:8.
G. The gospel, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also you have received, and in which you stand; By which also you are saved, if you keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain.” 1Corinthians. 15:1-2.
H. And even fear, “and others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.” Jude 23.

It is not intended that anyone should choose one of these elements and disregard the others. One cannot for instance, choose to only believe without any regard for confessing Jesus as Lord and Christ and declare himself saved. One cannot simply choose to be baptized and disregard faith and declare himself saved. Jesus said, “man lives by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.” Matthew 4:4. Faith, belief, confession, baptism, hope, grace and fear all have their divinely appointed function within the framework of ones' salvation. To disregard or to marginalize the importance of any one these elements represents a disregard for what God tells us in scripture. Any one of these alone will save no one. The exercise of all of them will save anyone. God has ordained all of these things to work together so man can “...be reconciled to God. For he has made him, who knew no sin, to be sin for us; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” 2Corinthians 5:21-22. We must remember that God offers salvation to man God's own terms and not ours. If we choose to deviate from the terms and conditions which God has provided we can not hope to receive the benefits that are connected to them.
You could have preached on baptism there wow! I have to say that I do agree with your statements and that was a very enjoyable read! Thanks!
 
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When Jesus came to John (a Levite priest) at Jordan he didn't say that water baptism wasn't necessary because spirit baptism was all that mattered, but instead he said it must be done to fulfill all righteousness. IMO he was referring to the pattern in the old covenant in which every priest was commissioned for service by first being immersed in water at the door of the temple and then being anointed with oil (which symbolizes spiritual anointing, i.e. baptism). Notice in the verses below that Christ was baptized at the 'door' of heaven like the high priest was commissioned at the door of the tabernacle.

And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water. ... Then shalt thou take the anointing oil, and pour [it] upon his head, and anoint him. Exodus 29:4, 7

​Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John in order to be [water] baptized by him. But John tried to prevent him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” But Jesus answered [and] said to him, “Permit [it] now, for in this way it is right for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he permitted him.

Now [after he] was baptized, Jesus immediately went up from the water, and behold, the heavens opened to him and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming upon him. And behold, [there was] a voice from heaven saying, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Matthew 3:13-17

All new covenant believers are priests of GOD, so water baptism seems to be the method that GOD has authorized for believers to be commissioned into his service by following this same pattern of being washed by a 'priest' (baptized into forgiveness of sins in the name, i.e., authority, of Christ), then anointed by GOD (receive the holy spirit).
Therefore let all the house of Israel know beyond a doubt, that God has made him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified!” ​Now [when they] heard [this], they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “What should we do, men [and] brothers?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be [water] baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and [then] you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:36-38
Does it really matter who baptizes you?
 
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Have noticed this very same thing, for sometime now. The BDF, and some other forums, are not very useful as a vehicle to find or discuss truth, rather most useful as an indication of what the enemy is up to. What you find a common thread in much of what is said, what is actually of perfect symmetry: doctrines of demons.

You can follow some users around, and they can't cease from spreading subtle error and maliciousness, a few just so, parroting error and lies of Catholicism. It makes you wonder about conspiracy people perhaps having a point, who speak of how Jesuits conspire, sneak around like Adventists, spreading their poison, without revealing who they are. I've always found this screaming volumes, of itself. For whatever reason, why do they need to hide what they are? Is this not a painfully obvious device of the devil and angel of light gig? "Candle" under the bushel theology? What's fascinating is getting a reading on the things the devil has his shorts in a bunch over, and they're getting more antsy, all the time.

Some great Reformed theologians of truth are getting volumes of hate mail these days, from other purported Christians, telling them to cease from certain topics. I mean, is that just crazy "duh" or what? Somebody cut their hands off? They can't just change the channel? Much of what goes on here is a thermometer of the state of such apostasy. You will never even be able to raise an intelligent conversation of more complex truths, which, what do you know, must be spiritually discerned. Except for one or two posters, complex threads die very soon or go on for pages, in a wilderness of contentious, and useless, ignorance. People most demonstrate here how they don't understand the Bible. Even the biggest of the great debates, that never end, are over Sunday school, babies' milk, things well settled, long ago, with any mature, authentic Christian.

I would hasten to add, though, that Oldhermit has never displayed a penchant for Catholicism, agree with him, or not, I've never seen that he's not sincere, that he has ever been one to sneak around. He is scholarly, and what he is stating is also true of Acts 2:38, with regard to what it says. It's simply that many of us know that interpretation of any one verse, that pits itself against the likes of a dozen others (and very common sense, I'd hasten to add), necessarily means that contradictory view is error. I, for one, have never seen in Acts 2:38 any doctrine that water baptism washes away sins, in the first place. But there are plenty enough threads here, already, beating the baptism dead horse. It's just the same old, boring bickerfest, on a mobius strip.

Good points JIA! Baptismal regeneration is nothing more than Catholic doctrine disguised. A CC admin has come out to say the position of this site is that Catholicism is heresy(for the record). Baptismal regeneration is salvation by works, and so are the rest of the 7 sacraments invented by the RCC. Continuous teaching any salvation by works doctrine is against the rules on CC because it goes against the core doctrine of salvation-(especially note post #2)
 
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Hi CEF

I would think searching for its beginning or foundation as to its purpose and intent can make a great study . It’s one of those things as an earlier believer that out of curiosity caused me to ponder as to when water baptism began? Seeing it was accepted as an ongoing doctrine when John the Baptist came on the scene.. Not a new testament doctrine with no root.

A good understanding of how the ceremonial ordinances that pertained to the flesh are used I believe is necessary to get a what I believe a proper understanding of that spiritual principle. If we miss the understanding how and why carnal ordinances are used I believe chaos and confusion will follow.

Ultimately one work of faith, in respect to the faith of Christ, our Lord ....to show us he is not served by human hands. It is important that we do not miss the work of faith is in respect to the operation of God and not in respect to human hands.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Two baptisms. The actual not seen, eternal, and the demonstration as that seen (evaporates) the ceremonial .
The eternal one not seen, therefore not done with human hands, the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We could say of the baptism as a cleansing fire, seeing it purifies our hearts by a work of the faith of God..

The same one baptism that the scripture accredits as generated by and through the p operation of one Lord, one work of faith by which we are given a new purified heart as to the born again conversion , we could say by the water of the word.

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith (work) of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And the other of the flesh, the temporal as that seen.

Lev 8:6 And Moses brought Aaron and his sons, and washed them with water. (preparation for the priesthood )

This is a continuation of an old testament ceremonial law that was used to introduce a new priest into the priesthood as that which is necessary but as a shadow offers no saving grace. And did not mean the one who performed the ceremonial law has received the Baptism of the Spirit .Like all of the ceremonial purifying laws shadows of that not seen the eternal.

The ceremonial law spoken of in John 3 was in regard to the beginning of the temporal as that seen found in Leviticus 8.

Joh 3:25 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
You cannot receive the Holy spirit by man's touch like water baptism?
 
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I have been taking Ephesians 4:5 to mean that there is just ONE baptism either holy spirit baptism or water baptism, thanks for clearing that up. One thing I am not understanding though is I thought we were placed into the body of Christ not through spirit baptism but when we accepted Christ into our hearts. Don't we receive the Holy Spirit, when we accept Jesus into our hearts? Also, I have just read John 4:10, 14 and John 7:37 what is it meaning by thirsty? When do believer's receive the Holy Spirit? So, you get filled the Holy Spirit before water baptism?
Simply put: When you are water baptized it is symbolic of Christ's death and resurrection - when you are immersed - Christ's death = death to the old you (the old man) and when you are brought up - Christ's resurrection = birth to your new life (the new man). This is public confession of the commitment you have made making Jesus Lord of your life. You were filled with Holy Spirit the moment you were saved - the moment that you confessed Jesus as Lord and believed in your heart that God raised him from the dead - you were saved. God in Christ came to live in you via the gift of holy Spirit -

I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . . . I in them and you in me, . . . John 17:20, 21, 23a

"living water" is what Christ's baptism is - being baptized with holy Spirit . . .
John 4:10,13,14 . . . Jesus answered her, If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, 'Give me a drink,' you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.' . . . Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life. . . "living water" is referring to the holy spirit - once you are born again of the spirit - it is a never ending supply of God's strength in your life. "Out of your heart will flow rivers of "living water" . . . Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive . . . How will the rivers of living water flow out of your heart? By speaking the truth in love to those in need.

 
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Baptismal regeneration is one of many salvation by works teachings. And like all of them, people go to their favorite pet verses to teach their heresy. For baptismal regeneration, Acts 2:38 is Satan's favorite verse!

We were not redeemed by H2O, but with the precious blood of Christ!(1 Pet 1:18-19). His blood dealt with our sins, not water!

"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Rev 1:5
I am sorry, but I am not a good vocabulary person, what does regeneration mean? Yes, I agree the water is not the one that cleanses us, it is the blood of Christ Jesus!
 
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Good points JIA! Baptismal regeneration is nothing more than Catholic doctrine disguised. A CC admin has come out to say the position of this site is that Catholicism is heresy(for the record). Baptismal regeneration is salvation by works, and so are the rest of the 7 sacraments invented by the RCC. Continuous teaching any salvation by works doctrine is against the rules on CC because it goes against the core doctrine of salvation-(especially note post #2)
Baptismal regeneration refers to infant baptism, i.e., baptism apart from faith, which is meaningless. Baptism based on faith is called credo-baptism. To call a credo-baptism baptismal regeneration is a mischaracterization and a slur.
 
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Good points JIA! Baptismal regeneration is nothing more than Catholic doctrine disguised. A CC admin has come out to say the position of this site is that Catholicism is heresy(for the record). Baptismal regeneration is salvation by works, and so are the rest of the 7 sacraments invented by the RCC. Continuous teaching any salvation by works doctrine is against the rules on CC because it goes against the core doctrine of salvation-(especially note post #2)
There's also a lot of Catholic eschatology floating around here, a synonym for which is ignorance ("I don't understand it, therefore it's symbolic"), eschatology which doesn't at all represent Reformed Protestantism for some generations now, very suspect. You have to ask yourself why a modern Protestant would be pushing Augustine, and what spirit fails to lead them into truth.
 
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There are many different baptisms. But only one that can save us.
There is a Baptism of the Holy Ghost
There is a Baptism of Fire
There is a Baptism of Water
There is even a Baptism for the dead

Baptism of water is symbolic, which allows witnesses that you have given your life over to Jesus Christ. It is a metaphore of washing away your past sins, and coming up out of the water as White as snow.

There is a difference between water baptism and Holy Ghost Baptism. The Holy Ghost baptism is what is needed in order to be Saved. Anyone can be water Baptized. And all Christians if they are able (NOT required though) to get water baptized, should do so to fulfill all righteousness, to have public witnesses that you claim to be a Christian. Let everything be established by two or three witnesses.

Water Baptism is a type of flesh transformation, dirty flesh to clean flesh.
Holy Spirit Baptism is when your heart is changed. You are no longer the same person you use to be. You are a different person.
Someone who has been Holy Spirit Baptized, no longer lives their life to please themselves, they live their life to please God. Their heart is changed. The desires they once had, they no longer have, they have a NEW heart, a different heart. Many and i say MANY people have been water Baptized and still have the same heart they have always had, because they are NOT Holy Spirit Baptized. Those who are Holy Ghost Baptized, will never be the same again. And they are very Few. in this last days generation.

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I do not believe that any baptism can save us! Romans 10:9 does not mention baptism is a requirement for salvation. You will not find in the Bible anywhere. Baptism of the Holy Ghost and Fire are the same! Show me in scripture where it says that baptism of the holy spirit is a requirement for salvation?
 
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A big part of this also is defining what 'the church' is.

The most popular belief is that it is every true believer and it is a local church.

My belief is that every believer isn't 'the church'.. but is part of the Kingdom and Family of God. The 'church' being a local assembly of saved baptised believers only. Eg. At Ephesus..At Phillipi.. At Corinth.. etc..

Either of one church in particular.. or a generic reference. One church-- at Corinth... generic reference: 'the church is the pillar and ground of the truth'

The later example being a case of 'the horse' or 'the post office'.. it's a local visible entity still.. but not of one being referred to in particular. Another example.. 'the purpose of the church is to be a lighthouse to the world'.. that's not one church in particular but is still of the local and visible entity of a local church.

Why does this matter?

Because you have baptism being attached to membership to the body of Christ!

if the body of Christ is a local church.. then eternal salvation has nothing to do with it. Baptism becomes a pre-requisite for joining a local church as a member.

if the body of Christ is every believer.. then you have baptism putting you into the every believer entity.. which sounds a lot like association with eternal salvation to me!

Now.. yes there will be one entity of all believers as one body one day.. but that is in heaven. We are not there yet.

The body of Christ:

assembles
has elders and a pastor
has lords supper and tithing
teaches straight from the Word
has Jesus as the Head

That isn't an entity of every believer.. that's a biblical,local church
How does baptism tie in with the church? Scriptures please!
 
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I am sorry, but I am not a good vocabulary person, what does regeneration mean? Yes, I agree the water is not the one that cleanses us, it is the blood of Christ Jesus!
Regeneration is synonymous with being born again of the Holy Spirit, becoming a new creature in Christ, with His Spirit indwelling, some say involving walking with Christ, in the Spirit, moving forward, though one is sealed and sanctified by the Holy Spirit when receiving Him, filled with the new, eternal Spirit life of God dwelling in you.
 
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"And he was preaching, and saying, 'After me One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to stoop down and untie the thong of His sandals. I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.'” Marl 1:7-8
Jesus himself will baptize us with the Holy Spirit?
 
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CEF if you look at scriptures there is 3 baptisms:

When a person accepts Jesus into their Heart and make Jesus their Lord and Savor. The Gift of God (Salvation)

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Water Baptism

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit

Matthew 3:11 - I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:

Acts 1:5 - For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

here U go some scriptures to look at have a great day and God Bless
Salvation is not a baptism, it does not say it anywhere in scripture, where are you getting that from?
 

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Jesus himself will baptize us with the Holy Spirit?
That is what John tells us. It might help for you to understand what HS baptism is and the difference between water baptism and HS baptism.
 
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Alright man. I'm just saying, if I were a babe in Christ asking about baptism because of my upcoming baptism and I saw all this argument on my thread--I'd probably give up and walk away.

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“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. (Matt 3:11)

The One coming after John was Jesus Christ. So, to answer your question, CEF, Jesus Christ baptizes Christians with the Holy Spirit.
To say the least it really does have me confused, but I am trying to stick through it!
 
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To say the least it really does have me confused, but I am trying to stick through it!
Don't give up, Sister!

I do not believe that any baptism can save us! Romans 10:9 does not mention baptism is a requirement for salvation. You will not find in the Bible anywhere. Baptism of the Holy Ghost and Fire are the same! Show me in scripture where it says that baptism of the holy spirit is a requirement for salvation?
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[TD]John also predicted that Jesus would baptize men with the Holy Spirit (Matthew 3:11). This is a spiritual baptism, and it is the baptism that saves us. At salvation, we are “immersed” in the Holy Spirit. The Spirit covers us, indwells us, fills us, and makes us a part of the spiritual body of Christ. [/TD]
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I wouldn't say it is a requirement--I would say that if you are saved the Holy Spirit is in you.