Homosexuality isn't sin

[Ashton]

In your first two sentences you seem to be arguing that if the man did not have a spouse but only a child he would commence a sexual relationship with him/her. Love is not the same for everything. You may love icecream but you don't have sex with it.

Mahogony, when I say, "I love this icecream!" I don't mean to say that I feel for its well-being, am dedicated to it, give myself over to it in a selfless manner. The fruit of love is not made manifest in my relationship with my icecream. I simply mean that I feel for it or enjoy it. We know that pure enjoyment is not the love God taught. You saying that one man's love for another in an intimate way is not right. But you don't say why. I can be dedicated to that man, give myself over to him in a selfless manner, have feeling as well as express the fruit of love in my relationship with that man. Why? Because I would be loving that man then. Who are you to say this is not love or love in a wrong manner?

There were laws before God wrote the commands on stone tablets and gave them to Moses you know?

What were these laws, Mahogony? Weren't they love your neighbor as yourself and love God? The way we loved God was to obey his commandments when he wrote them on the tablets. But now those laws have been fulfilled by Jesus because he has fulfilled all law. We no longer need to keep them. He has freed us from condemnation under that old system of ritual and strict regulation. Now if a man loves his fellow man in an intimate way who are you to say it is wrong? Unless you mean to say that somehow the Old Testament regulations of keeping homosexuals apart was solely based on loving our fellow man? But how could that be if a man loves another man in that way and their love is forbidden? Your claim of there being some undisclosed moral law apart from the old law or the New Law which forbid men loving another is pure speculation. My love for my fellow man is not based on some fictitious moral code apart from Christ's Law of Love.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

I have to heavily disagree that homosexuality isn't a sin. "Love is love" isn't a good enough reason to disobey the biological purposes that God intended between men and women alone. You state it's because it's mentioned in Lev. and it's the old law fulfilled. To that argument I will let you look at it another way:

When we say the "old laws" they are usually laws and actions that were used/practiced to honor God, to preserve a way of life or seporate themselves from gentiles, to confess sin, to show lemant, etc. They were laws given to the Jewish people. For example, cutting long hair for men and growing beards. That's a law. Baking bread without yeast. That's a law. Sacrificing animals to repent of our sins. Certain days to do certain things. Laws. A man sleeping with another man. Not a law.

Homosexuality isn't a law it's blantant sin. When Christ died for our sins he rendered the old laws invalid because we no longer had to do spiritual/physical things to get close to Christ (we obtained the Holy Spirit, He is our direct connection with the Father). When Christ fulfilled the law it meant we didn't need to do the old Jewish tradition. Not sleeping with people of the same sex is hardly a tradition.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Mahogony, when I say, "I love this icecream!" I don't mean to say that I feel for its well-being, am dedicated to it, give myself over to it in a selfless manner. The fruit of love is not made manifest in my relationship with my icecream. I simply mean that I feel for it or enjoy it. We know that pure enjoyment is not the love God taught. You saying that one man's love for another in an intimate way is not right. But you don't say why. I can be dedicated to that man, give myself over to him in a selfless manner, have feeling as well as express the fruit of love in my relationship with that man. Why? Because I would be loving that man then. Who are you to say this is not love or love in a wrong manner?

You're mixing up man love with gay love. Which one are you talking about? I love my friends but I don't think of them in a sexual way. It seems re: icecream you agree there are different types of love.

What were these laws, Mahogony? Weren't they love your neighbor as yourself and love God? The way we loved God was to obey his commandments when he wrote them on the tablets. But now those laws have been fulfilled by Jesus because he has fulfilled all law. We no longer need to keep them. He has freed us from condemnation under that old system of ritual and strict regulation. Now if a man loves his fellow man in an intimate way who are you to say it is wrong? Unless you mean to say that somehow the Old Testament regulations of keeping homosexuals apart was solely based on loving our fellow man? But how could that be if a man loves another man in that way and their love is forbidden? Your claim of there being some undisclosed moral law apart from the old law or the New Law which forbid men loving another is pure speculation. My love for my fellow man is not based on some fictitious moral code apart from Christ's Law of Love.

Have you seroiusly thought about your point of view? You are saying that homosexuality is ok now because Jesus fulfilled the law. A person could equally say, using your same arguments, that it is ok to hate and murder people now that Jesus has fulfilled the law. Think about it.

 

[Ashton]

You say there is a moral code apart from the old laws and the Law of Love. What makes this moral code moral if it doesn't have love of God or love of Man as its basis? I might as well be abstaining from eating shellfish, because that wasn't based on love either, was it?

And I'm not talking about purely homosexual acts or heterosexual acts. I'm talking about one man's love for another man fulfilling itself in the same way one man's love for a woman fulfills itself. To argue outside of the Bible that this is unnatural is to be a Naturalist. Are you resorting to humanistic Naturalist reason rather than letting faith in the Holy Spirit based on love guide you?

To say that "right" love is defined as one man and one woman mating is to argue from a Darwinian or Naturalistic perspective. It has nothing to do with love or the Scriptures. The Scriptures don't conform to concepts of taboo or social acceptance. We see this when the Jews crucified Christ. God is the same he's always been. What is this moral code then that was not based on love (because it prevented one man so inclined from pursuing a relationship with another)?

 

[shanaynay-deleted]

they are not condemned for their love, but for the act (at least in the bible)

I love women...my mom, sisters, friends...no need to fornicate with them just as there is no need to fornicate with men. Marriage is between a man and a woman. THERE IS NO CHANGING THIS!

1 Corinthians 6:9 (King James Version)


9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind

EFFEMINATE:

• If you describe a man or boy as effeminate, you think he behaves, looks, or sounds like a woman or girl. ADJ ADJ-GRADED disapproval
  
  • Antonym
    manly
  • ...a skinny, effeminate guy in lipstick and earrings.
  • His voice was curiously high-pitched, reedy, almost effeminate.
  http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en|en&hl=en&q=effeminate

* just the word manly gives me chills

1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders (NIV)


RELATING TO MARRIAGE:

ON EARTH:

Genesis 2:23–24 (NIV)
23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.”
24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.



Genesis 2:18 (NIV)
18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”



Ephesians 5:22–33 (NIV)
22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.


Ephesians 5:25 (NIV)
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her!




Ephesians 5:28–29 (NIV)
28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church—



*hear that men - care for her body




Hebrews 13:4
Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whore mongers and adulterers God will judge.

AFTER:

Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.


Ephesians 5:6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

 

[Ashton]

You're mixing up man love with gay love. Which one are you talking about? I love my friends but I don't think of them in a sexual way. It seems re: icecream you agree there are different types of love.

Have you seroiusly thought about your point of view? You are saying that homosexuality is ok now because Jesus fulfilled the law. A person could equally say, using your same arguments, that it is ok to hate and murder people now that Jesus has fulfilled the law. Think about it.

Murdering would be transgressing the Law of Love unless it was to put them out of their misery and they wanted to be put out of their misery. You see? It's all about love. Homosexuality is not a sin because it does not transgress Christ's Law of Love. Adultery and murder are often sins because they transgress this Law of Love and would offend and hurt others.

 

[GraceBeUntoYou]

NO ONE IS RIGHT. No one knows for a fact that homosexuality is a sin. All we can do is follow the ten commandments and hope for the best.

The Bible exclusively point out that homosexuality is a sin, not only in the Old Testament, but also in the New Testament, see Romans 1:20-28, 1 Corinthians 6:8-11. Second, you can't obey the Law, there's over 613 Laws of the Old Covenant, which the Ten Commandments are apart of, and as James 2:20 says, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all." And as the Apostle Paul said in Galatians 3:21-26, "Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus."

Then you may say, "well then, if we are no longer under the Law, then everyone can just go out and steal, kill, and commit all kinds of heinous crimes?" And my reply to that is always this: Having faith (faith is a gift of God) in Christ is the only way a person can attain righteousness. For it is by faith that the righteousness of Christ is imputed unto us (Romans 4:4-6, Romans 4:20-24). And it is by grace through faith that we are saved, not of our own works (Ephesians 2:8-9). The only way we can inherit the kingdom of God is to be born again. Being born again is a complete, and supernatural work of the Holy Spirit, of God working in, and through you. One of the many evidences of someone's faith is that they will bear good fruit. Not the fruit of your own flesh, but the fruit of the Spirit. "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." -- Galatians 5:22-23

People typically confuse the grace of God, and think, because we are no longer under the Law (2 Corinthians 3, Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians) that we can still act in carnality. But what they fail to realize is that the evidence that you've been saved is that the Holy Spirit of God is working in and through you. So then the pertinent question is this: How can someone filled with the Holy Spirit of God lead a life full of carnality? Is the Holy Spirit of God carnal? God forbid. When you are born again, you will walk in the newness of life, and of the Spirit -- not in the oldness of which once was.

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." -- Romans 6:3-6

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

Murdering would be transgressing the Law of Love unless it was to put them out of their misery and they wanted to be put out of their misery. You see? It's all about love. Homosexuality is not a sin because it does not transgress Christ's Law of Love. Adultery and murder are often sins because they transgress this Law of Love and would offend and hurt others.

I have to ask you a question based on your reasoning. Why are we allowed to have homosexual relationships now and not before? How is that "fulfilling" a law? On what basis was it bound in the first place?

Every "law" fulfilled had a purpose and symbolism to apply to the people. Homosexuality doesn't make sense as a law.

You can do many things in "love", that doesn't mean it's correct or Godly. Christ clearly stated in the Bible that this is wrong- not only wrong but an "abomination". How do you justify "abomination"? Christ never stated after Jesus died that it's no longer an abomination. Abominations is a very strong word for wrong (never right). If God thought that an abomination would be justified by the death of Jesus Christ he wouldn't call it an abomination, but a law.

For every good thing God created, Satan has made a destructive counterfit.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Murdering would be transgressing the Law of Love unless it was to put them out of their misery and they wanted to be put out of their misery.

Pro-euthenasia are we? Assisted suicide? That's no good either.

You see? It's all about love. Homosexuality is not a sin because it does not transgress Christ's Law of Love. Adultery and murder are often sins because they transgress this Law of Love and would offend and hurt others.

It transgresses God's creation and natural order.

If you say that homosexuality is not a sin because Jesus fulfilled that law, why can't a murderer say that murder is not a sin because Jesus fulfilled that law too. It's the same law right?

 

[superdave5221]

I keep hearing all this debate about how homosexuality is sin and how it isn't sin. But don't they know that Jesus fulfilled the law? So the old law of sin and death in Leviticus 18:22 no longer applies. It has been done away with. Stop subjecting people to this false teaching that we have to be bound to slavery under the law. If a homosexual couple wants to participate in the final act of love then so be it. Why should we condemn them for their love? If they are led by the Spirit to work this act of love who are we to deny the ruling of the Spirit?

Corinthians 6:18
Run away from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals,

Romans 1:27
And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.

The Word of God makes it clear that homosexuality is a sin. It also makes it clear that sexual sins are ones that God considers to be a great threat to members of Christ's church. Paul said that we were not to judge the world. If you want to remain in the world, (therefore not in the church), and participate in such things, you should not be judged by Christians. However you will be judged by God.

1 Corinthians 5: 9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

 

[AJ52]

ppl have put bible verses saying homosexual is a sin and you still wont accept it....interesting

 

[Lauren]

Murdering would be transgressing the Law of Love unless it was to put them out of their misery and they wanted to be put out of their misery. You see? It's all about love. Homosexuality is not a sin because it does not transgress Christ's Law of Love. Adultery and murder are often sins because they transgress this Law of Love and would offend and hurt others.

So incest between a consenting adult brother and sister would be okay?

 

[AJ52]

So incest between a consenting adult brother and sister would be okay?

ewww

 

[Ashton]

I have to ask you a question based on your reasoning. Why are we allowed to have homosexual relationships now and not before? How is that "fulfilling" a law?

I would like to challenge you with the same question. It was not said of Christ that he fulfilled some moral code apart from the Old Law or the New or that he came to fulfill "part of the law". It was said that he came to fulfill all the Old Law. You ask me, "Why are we allowed to have homosexual relationships now and not before? How is that 'fulfilling' a law?" Well, do you think we are supposed to abstain from eating shellfish and from sewing our crops with two different kinds of seed or from making/wearing clothing from polyester and cotton? Christ fulfilled that. So do you think we need to keep doing it?

Homosexuality doesn't make sense as a law.

I'm not saying that homosexuality is a law. I'm saying abstaining from it was a law. And I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to abstain from it if you are violating Christ's Law of Love. Why abstain from it if all you're doing is practicing asceticism in order to choke out Love?

Christ clearly stated in the Bible that this is wrong- not only wrong but an "abomination". How do you justify "abomination"?

How do you justify that interpretation of Scripture with the fact that Jews don't have to make contagious people wait outside the camp any more? All those laws were grouped into one big group - they weren't separate. God didn't say, "You can't murder but you can work on the Sabbath." So you have to obey them all if you're saying we should obey any of them. Paul said you are a debtor to obey the whole law. So it showed the Ten Commandments (including the Sabbath) were not some separate moral law from the rest of the law (circumcision, etc.). You can't just pick and choose what you believe to be moral. That's your own interpretation of what's moral and what's not - that's not God's. So let's leave our biases behind when we read from the Scriptures. It was all moral once upon a time, but now we are no longer under it. So how do you, yourself, justify your reading of Scripture? It's easy for me. The Holy Spirit leads me to do God's will. It's all about faith in the Spirit based on love. Wherever the Spirit leads. If the Spirit condemns someone's conscience about homosexuality, then for them it is a sin. If the Spirit does not condemn another's conscience about it then it is not a sin. That's what Paul said, right?

 

[Ashton]

ppl have put bible verses saying homosexual is a sin and you still wont accept it....interesting

And people still haven't answered my questions, AJ52. hmm.... Interesting indeed. I have seen two approaches to explaining how homosexuality is a sin. 1 Corinthians 6:9 seems to say that all people born as homosexuals will be sent to hell. Is that contradictory of a God whose Law is Love? Or is it saying, based on your skewed and hypocritical moral standards, that God sends those who commit homosexual acts out of love to hell? Another translation of the same verse reads, "homosexual offenders," and thus suggests homosexuals who offend others with their homosexuality (i.e. violate the Law of Love). You see? The Spirit guides with love - not with some out-moded system of laws that no one could keep. I mean, who could keep from eating shellfish? What if someone's starving and they eat it? And who could keep from sewing their crops with two kinds of seed all of the time? Some other type of seed could accidentally be mixed in. But thank goodness for Jesus work! We are set free from these regulations that condemned us. Now we can love others without condemnation!

 

[Ashton]

Pro-euthenasia are we? Assisted suicide? That's no good either.

Well, what do we have to hold it up to? Christ's Law of Love! If it hurts someone and this violates his Law then we are not to do it. Because the Spirit condemns your conscience about it means it is wrong for you. But the Spirit doesn't condemn my conscience about it. After all, we are to live by faith in the Spirit's leading in love, aren't we?

It transgresses God's creation and natural order.

I can say that cutting a stone and building a building from that cut stone transgresses God's natural order, too. You see? I can append God+ to the beginning of anything and it sounds impressive. But that doesn't mean I'm going to look outside of the Scriptures for my moral guidance, my friend. I base my morals on love of God and love of Man - not on your preconceived notions of right from wrong.

If you say that homosexuality is not a sin because Jesus fulfilled that law, why can't a murderer say that murder is not a sin because Jesus fulfilled that law too. It's the same law right?

You must not have read my post right. I already answered this. I said that murder violates the Law of Love. Christ fulfilled the old laws but we were to obey the New (i.e. that of Love). I hope this helps.

By the way, you haven't told me what this moral code outside of the old law or the New Law is. Would you care to explain it?

 

[MahogonySnail]

Ashton youo've missed an important thing. Christs law of love is to God first, man second. If God says no ,then it's no. If the Spirit does not condemn you conscience about it, I would suggest you aren't listening to the Spirit. These are not trivial matters about you eating pork and me not. It's about a serious thing which God calls an abomination and which God punished two cities for.

You must not have read my post right. I already answered this. I said that murder violates the Law of Love. Christ fulfilled the old laws but we were to obey the New (i.e. that of Love). I hope this helps.

homosexuality also violates the law of Love if we define love as between a man and a woman which can create a stable home environment to raise children. It also violates love towards God in that it disrespects the way God created things to be.

 

[GraceBeUntoYou]

I would like to challenge you with the same question. It was not said of Christ that he fulfilled some moral code apart from the Old Law or the New or that he came to fulfill "part of the law". It was said that he came to fulfill all the Old Law. You ask me, "Why are we allowed to have homosexual relationships now and not before? How is that 'fulfilling' a law?" Well, do you think we are supposed to abstain from eating shellfish and from sewing our crops with two different kinds of seed or from making/wearing clothing from polyester and cotton? Christ fulfilled that. So do you think we need to keep doing it?



I'm not saying that homosexuality is a law. I'm saying abstaining from it was a law. And I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to abstain from it if you are violating Christ's Law of Love. Why abstain from it if all you're doing is practicing asceticism in order to choke out Love?



How do you justify that interpretation of Scripture with the fact that Jews don't have to make contagious people wait outside the camp any more? All those laws were grouped into one big group - they weren't separate. God didn't say, "You can't murder but you can work on the Sabbath." So you have to obey them all if you're saying we should obey any of them. Paul said you are a debtor to obey the whole law. So it showed the Ten Commandments (including the Sabbath) were not some separate moral law from the rest of the law (circumcision, etc.). You can't just pick and choose what you believe to be moral. That's your own interpretation of what's moral and what's not - that's not God's. So let's leave our biases behind when we read from the Scriptures. It was all moral once upon a time, but now we are no longer under it. So how do you, yourself, justify your reading of Scripture? It's easy for me. The Holy Spirit leads me to do God's will. It's all about faith in the Spirit based on love. Wherever the Spirit leads. If the Spirit condemns someone's conscience about homosexuality, then for them it is a sin. If the Spirit does not condemn another's conscience about it then it is not a sin. That's what Paul said, right?

Here's what you fail you realize, because the Law was fulfilled does not give one the right to go out and act in carnality. In fact, there is no such thing as a carnal Christian. That's why we are to be born again, to not walk after the flesh, but of the Spirit, who is in you.

"Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." -- Romans 8:1-4

If you are truly born again, then the Holy Spirit is in you, and God is working through you. And if the Spirit be in you, then the pertinent question is this: why does one live in a life full of carnality? Is the Holy Spirit of God carnal? Is Christ carnal? God forbid.

 

[lighthousejohn]

[quote=Ashton;259858]And people still haven't answered my questions, AJ52. hmm.... Interesting indeed. I have seen two approaches to explaining how homosexuality is a sin. 1 Corinthians 6:9 seems to say that all people born as homosexuals will be sent to hell. Is that contradictory of a God whose Law is Love? Or is it saying, based on your skewed and hypocritical moral standards, that God sends those who commit homosexual acts out of love to hell? Another translation of the same verse reads, "homosexual offenders," and thus suggests homosexuals who offend others with their homosexuality (i.e. violate the Law of Love). You see? The Spirit guides with love - not with some out-moded system of laws that no one could keep. I mean, who could keep from eating shellfish? What if someone's starving and they eat it? And who could keep from sewing their crops with two kinds of seed all of the time? Some other type of seed could accidentally be mixed in. But thank goodness for Jesus work! We are set free from these regulations that condemned us. Now we can love others without condemnation! [/quote]

You keep talking about the law. The Mosaic law (Ten Commandments) provide the foundation for all human morality. This law is still in effect and should be followed by all people, both believers and non-believers. The Levitical laws are divided into two basic parts; the Sacrificial Law (Law of Atonement) and the Law of Purification.

The Sacrificial Law required that something be offered to God for a sin debt. The LAw of Purification had numerous requirements that had to be followed to make one acceptable to God. They ranged from ritualistic washings, to who could associate with who. They also covered appropriate dress and grooming, ingestion of blood and what foods could be eaten.

These Laws were fulfilled by Christ . As to sacrifices, He was the perfect sacrifice laid down once for all mankind. As to being acceptable to God, Jesus became the only way to God"s acceptance of man. This acceptaility was for both Jews and gentiles.

We are no longer bound by the Levitical Laws but we are morally bound to the Mosaic Laws.

1 Corinthians 6:9 condemns the unrepentant sinners. This is God's standard of judgement fo all. Only the one who fails to recognize and repent of his sin is condemned.

The homoseual act is an unatural act as mentioned in Romans 1:24-28 "24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." God does not hate the homosexual, He hates the sin of homosexuality (the unatural acts).

I hope this helps.

 

[Harley_Angel]

Ashton,

Christ fulfilled the law and gave us a new one, which is a SUMMARY of the Old Law. It is Love God with all your heart and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself.

What fabrics you wear, what food you eat, and how you sow your crops have no effect on loving your neighbor...wearing offensive clothing, eating chocolate in front of your friend when you know she can't have it, and purposely sowing crops to interfere with someone else DOES have an effect on loving you neighbor, so while we are free from those laws, we are still responsible for them. Just like I have the freedom of speech, but there are still certain things I can not say. I can not lie, I can not shout profanity, I can not threaten...but within perameters of decency I have freedom in what I say. It's the same with the Old Law...we are free from it, but we are still responsible for what we do under the New law which is a summry of the Old.

You've been showed scripture SEVERAL times where it says homosexuality is a sin. Your argument is that we are under the law of Love. This is true, we ae supposed to love our neighbor, but if two men engage in homosexual activity, they are sinning, and leading each other into sin, lustfulness, an adultery. If you love someone you don't lead them into sin, you lead them into righteousness. Sexual sins are the most detrimental to your well being because, as Scripture says, they are sins against your own body. Not only when two men or women lie together are they sinning against each other, but they are sinning against themselves, too.

Two men can love each other, but the second that love turns into fornication, it's not love anymore, it's the blind leading the blind. There are so many different types of love, it's a shame that English only has a couple words that describe the WHOLE spectrum. So while we are under the law of Love, it's not the Law of "free love". It's not the law of have sex with whomever you want, whenever you want, in whatever way you want. It's the law of "be excellent to one another."