Homosexuality isn't sin

[Thaddaeus]

I keep hearing all this debate about how homosexuality is sin and how it isn't sin. But don't they know that Jesus fulfilled the law? So the old law of sin and death in Leviticus 18:22 no longer applies. It has been done away with. Stop subjecting people to this false teaching that we have to be bound to slavery under the law. If a homosexual couple wants to participate in the final act of love then so be it. Why should we condemn them for their love? If they are led by the Spirit to work this act of love who are we to deny the ruling of the Spirit?

how about you practice what you preach and quit leading people to destruction: fulfilling the law did not do away with sin. if it was sin in the old testament and the new testament, then it is sin today:

Ro 6:11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.Ro 6:12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.Ro 6:13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.Ro 6:14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.Ro 6:15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

 

[lighthousejohn]

He doesn't turn away from those who are repentant..AND TURN AWAY from sin...if you continue to live in sin, he hates the sin, and thus the person commiting the sin will never see the face of G-d.

I think you misunderstand the true nature of God. Even though an unrepentant sinner condemns himself by his choice of lifestyle, It still grieves God to see that soul be cast into the lake of fire when that sinner dies in his sins. He still loves the sinner even though He must reject that soul for all eternity.
God cannot go against His nature and "hate" something created in His own image. He can however be very disappointed in that creation as any father can be disappointed when their children err.

 

[Ashton]

how about you practice what you preach and quit leading people to destruction: fulfilling the law did not do away with sin. if it was sin in the old testament and the new testament, then it is sin today:

Ro 6:11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.Ro 6:12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.Ro 6:13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.Ro 6:14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.Ro 6:15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

So you're saying that eating shellfish is sin? Wearing clothing woven of two different types of material is sin? That sounds like legalism to me.

 

[DinoDillinger]

Hm... Yes. I wonder what it means to sin if no old testament law is applicable to us today? And we clearly don't have to obey any of them that don't have love as their basis. Wouldn't you agree?

First off your failing to understand that homosexuality isn't about 'love' it is about being sexually attracted to the same sex as you. It isn't something that the Holy Spirit leads you to, in Romans 1 it talks about them being given over to vile passions.

You must also endorse incest and bestiality, who are you to judge huh?

 

[pickles]

Ashton, what if for each person that is sinning and you said it was ok, God held you accountable for their sin?
Just a question to think about.
God bless, pickles

 

[aspen]

First off your failing to understand that homosexuality isn't about 'love' it is about being sexually attracted to the same sex as you. It isn't something that the Holy Spirit leads you to, in Romans 1 it talks about them being given over to vile passions.

You must also endorse incest and bestiality, who are you to judge huh?

People do not remain in long term relationships based on lust. How do you explain relationships between homosexual couples that have lasted decades?

 

[pickles]

People do not remain in long term relationships based on lust. How do you explain relationships between homosexual couples that have lasted decades?

Even the love of the world can support a long term relationship.
There is a difference between the love of of Jesus, and the love of the world.
Look to Jesus and ask him to show it to you. Love will take on a great new life.
God bless, pickles

 

[Ashton]

First off your failing to understand that homosexuality isn't about 'love' it is about being sexually attracted to the same sex as you. It isn't something that the Holy Spirit leads you to, in Romans 1 it talks about them being given over to vile passions.

You must also endorse incest and bestiality, who are you to judge huh?

I only endorse that which is right according to a reasonable reading of the Scriptures. And no one has proven that homosexuality is wrong since Christ has fulfilled all of the old law. If you'll attempt to do that I'll continue addressing your concerns. Do you believe it's right for two men to be intimately attracted to one-another but to abstain from any outward expression of that deeper love? And I'd like you consider that if homosexual pairing is not about love then heterosexual pairing isn't either. That beautiful moment of consummation between a man and woman? All shot to heck based on your reasoning. It's not about love. It's about eros. It's about pure physical attraction. Real love has nothing to do with it, right?

 

[Ashton]

Ashton, what if for each person that is sinning and you said it was ok, God held you accountable for their sin?
Just a question to think about.
God bless, pickles

How is what I'm advocating sin? No one here has proven it to be sin from the Scriptures. All of those old testament regulations are trivial. They are out-dated because Christ has fulfilled them. Which parts should we obey and which shouldn't we? Some people keep certain rules, others keep all of them, but those people are just being legalistic in their faith. We're to walk by love - not by some set of rules. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[pickles]

I know it is difficult sometimes to understand, no longer under the law, yet still obeadient to God.
The law judges and the law condems.
Jesus freed us from the law because of this.
But we are still called to avoid sin, because it steals from us, because there still will be judgement by God.
Before, the law condemned, now we will be judged by our hearts.
The world is full of laws, they are there because of the lawless.
But we all know that the more laws that are passed the more those that are good suffer as well.
Jesus removed the law so that those that are good would not suffer for the lawless.
So that we would be not only forgiven , but freed from the law.
This does not leave us to sin when ever we want.
But it freed us from judgement under the law.
Our only judgement now is by Our Lord God , and it will be of the heart and actions.
The greatness of this is that Our Lord God is a loving and just judge.
God bless, pickles

 

[Ashton]

Our only judgement now is by Our Lord God , and it will be of the heart and actions.

Same thing I've been saying all along. Some people's hearts judge them so that they have to keep all of God's commands, even circumcision. This is because they're stuck in those old ways and believe the law still applies. They believe God still wants us to circumcise each other, so to their hearts the law still applies. Other people's hearts don't judge them when they commit homosexual acts, so for them it's not wrong. I'm glad we finally agree.

 

[pickles]

I forgot to answer your question about how you would be advocating sin.
By not speaking to, or by being passive, we can advocate sin.
If one never says to another that something can be wrong, how will they ever know, or by failing to say something, they may consider it as approval.
This does not mean you need to run around pointing out every wrong or sin of another. The scripture is very spacific on how to do this.
But as long as we give a pass to sin in our words because we think it may be judgemental, the possible outcome is that another reading it , that is unsure of their choice. May be quick to see your words as something to build a case that their sin is ok.
Thus leading them in the wrong direction.
Each person I speak in faith to I do so in the witness and hope that they will know the great love of Jesus.
To do otherwise is to fail them in that love.
God bless, pickles

 

[Ashton]

I forgot to answer your question about how you would be advocating sin.
By not speaking to, or by being passive, we can advocate sin.
If one never says to another that something can be wrong, how will they ever know, or by failing to say something, they may consider it as approval.
This does not mean you need to run around pointing out every wrong or sin of another. The scripture is very spacific on how to do this.
But as long as we give a pass to sin in our words because we think it may be judgemental, the possible outcome is that another reading it , that is unsure of their choice. May be quick to see your words as something to build a case that their sin is ok.
Thus leading them in the wrong direction.
Each person I speak in faith to I do so in the witness and hope that they will know the great love of Jesus.
To do otherwise is to fail them in that love.
God bless, pickles

Am I not spreading the love of Jesus by letting these poor souls, condemned by the rest of the world, love freely and not be ashamed of it? If the old law no longer applies, then homosexual acts are as good as eating shellfish, wearing clothing woven of two kinds of materials, burning certain mixes of incense, etc. All of it's okay, isn't it? Or is none of it okay? It kind of sounds like people are saying eating shellfish isn't a sin but homosexual acts are. Seems kind of contradictory to me. Did not Christ liberate us from the whole law of sin and death? Or did he just liberate us from a few minor trivial points and these others are really, really serious for some reason?

 

[pickles]

Same thing I've been saying all along. Some people's hearts judge them so that they have to keep all of God's commands, even circumcision. This is because they're stuck in those old ways and believe the law still applies. They believe God still wants us to circumcise each other, so to their hearts the law still applies. Other people's hearts don't judge them when they commit homosexual acts, so for them it's not wrong. I'm glad we finally agree. [/quote
You know better than to put words in my mouth. I have enough trouble managing that on my own.
Wether homosexual, or man and woman( couldnt spell the other word) One must refrain if it is wrong in the eyes of God.There is a difference between comands and law.
I walked away from a love of a man, many years ago, when young because I knew it was wrong in the eyes of God.
It was one of the hardest things I ever did.
But because I obeyed God, and also told this man why I could not continue.
He gave his life and also his brother, to Jesus.
God glorified himself in all of this.
I can only say go before God Our Father in prayer, let him show you why he asks us to obey.
There if you are humble, he will reviel.
In the love of Jesus, God bless, pickles

 

[Thaddaeus]

So you're saying that eating shellfish is sin? Wearing clothing woven of two different types of material is sin? That sounds like legalism to me.

does the New testament say that eating shellfish is a sin? does the new testament say wearing clothing woven of two types of material is a sin. call me a legalist if you want, but don't twist my words to do it. there is still sin in the world for all have sinned, if preaching against sin make me a legalists , then I'm a legalist if knowing what pleases My God, and doing it and teaching others they should also, is a legalists, then I am what I am what I am By the Grace of God. ssshhhhh don't tell anyone else, but I rather go before God as a legalist ( according to you) than a person that is a Homosexual, adultery, a murderer

2co 5:14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:2co 5:15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.2co 5:16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2co 5:17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 

[pickles]

Am I not spreading the love of Jesus by letting these poor souls, condemned by the rest of the world, love freely and not be ashamed of it? If the old law no longer applies, then homosexual acts are as good as eating shellfish, wearing clothing woven of two kinds of materials, burning certain mixes of incense, etc. All of it's okay, isn't it? Or is none of it okay? It kind of sounds like people are saying eating shellfish isn't a sin but homosexual acts are. Seems kind of contradictory to me. Did not Christ liberate us from the whole law of sin and death? Or did he just liberate us from a few minor trivial points and these others are really, really serious for some reason?

Read Romans, and Revalations.
The one you first love is God.
I can see you feel compassion, I also feel this for all that have to deny their very selves in order to know the love of Jesus.
But Jesus will truelly fill the heart that gives up for him.
I saw as you do, then Jesus helped me to see as he does.
Jesus's love is far greater than any love we think we have for them.
Ive witnessed. Now its up to you in Jesus.
Pray about this.
God bless, pickles

 

[ProudLibertarian]

People do not remain in long term relationships based on lust. How do you explain relationships between homosexual couples that have lasted decades?

Homosexual couple down the street has been together for 35+ years. Their relationship is actually stronger than most married couples. Anybody who says their relationship is built on lust is a fool.

 

[Ashton]

does the New testament say that eating shellfish is a sin? does the new testament say wearing clothing woven of two types of material is a sin. call me a legalist if you want, but don't twist my words to do it. there is still sin in the world for all have sinned, if preaching against sin make me a legalists , then I'm a legalist if knowing what pleases My God, and doing it and teaching others they should also, is a legalists, then I am what I am what I am By the Grace of God. ssshhhhh don't tell anyone else, but I rather go before God as a legalist ( according to you) than a person that is a Homosexual, adultery, a murderer

2co 5:14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:2co 5:15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.2co 5:16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2co 5:17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Hey, I'm just saying it seems kind of contradictory and confusing to not obey one of God's commands/laws/whatever you want to call them in the old testament while at the same time obeying another that was commanded by God in the old testament and then trying to force it upon others while judging them for not following it. Seems very legalistic and pharisaical to me, my friend. You quote Corinthians, but why are you still stuck in the old law if the old things are passed away? Unless you can prove from the Scriptures that homosexual acts are sin while consuming bacon is not I'm going to have to refrain from addressing any objection you have to homosexuality. You know why? I don't trust the leading of a spirit if it doesn't lead me to God's Word. And whose words am I to accept? Yours or his?

 

[Ashton]

Read Romans, and Revalations.
The one you first love is God.
I can see you feel compassion, I also feel this for all that have to deny their very selves in order to know the love of Jesus.
But Jesus will truelly fill the heart that gives up for him.
I saw as you do, then Jesus helped me to see as he does.
Jesus's love is far greater than any love we think we have for them.
Ive witnessed. Now its up to you in Jesus.
Pray about this.
God bless, pickles

Jesus' burden is light. It's not the yoke of slavery we were subjected to in the old testament. When will Christians give up the yoke of slavery and bondage to the old ways and accept Christ's Law of Love? A homosexual couple can love Jesus all the more by showing love to each other and for accepting who they are. Why all of this meaningless judgment not founded upon the Scriptures? Where have we as Christians gone? Truly we are in a poor state, and I pray we will get back to what really matters in our walk with God.

 

[DinoDillinger]

Romans 1:27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

The underline was for you.