Losing Salvation
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Amen..neither can we by an "act of our will" un-born ourselves as a human. We are born of the Holy Spirit and that birth cannot be un-done as much as we can un-birth ourselves naturally. It's another hole in the works-righteousness self-salvation doctrine.
1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Salvation is by grace not by water baptism. One gets water baptized after they are saved not as a means to salvation. Baptism is a work and refutes grace. Dead men do not get baptized in water to make themselves clean.
Acts 8 shows us Philip teaching the Eunuch about Christ through the scriptures in Isaiah. The Eunuch asks to be baptized and Philip asks him if he believes before he agrees to baptize him. This is the clearest presentation of water baptism in the entire NT.
Paul when he met Christ on the road to Emmaus believed on Christ before he was baptized and received the return of his sight.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Acts 8 shows us Philip teaching the Eunuch about Christ through the scriptures in Isaiah. The Eunuch asks to be baptized and Philip asks him if he believes before he agrees to baptize him. This is the clearest presentation of water baptism in the entire NT.
Paul when he met Christ on the road to Emmaus believed on Christ before he was baptized and received the return of his sight.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
A person would have to be born of Incorruptible seed.First,make the Inside of the cup clean and only GOD can do this for the person by grace through faith.If the person Is not reborn then they would be doing Matthew 7:21 on their own strength.
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Ephesians 2:8-11
King James Version(KJV)
8.)For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9.)Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10.)For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11.)Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
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Ephesians 2:8-11
King James Version(KJV)
8.)For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9.)Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10.)For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11.)Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
that made no sense whatsoever. yes we are separated and cleansed before we even are saved???? LOL shouldn't it be we are saved therefore that's why we are seprate and cleansed.
we do continue to separate ourselves from the world but not to keep getting juiced up on grace but to grow (sanctification) in our relationship with him.
to say that we are cleansed before we even heard the gospel is crazy talk. im a sinner and im cleansed and set apart lol NO WAY im a sinner and im FILTHY and in sync with this world.
we do continue to separate ourselves from the world but not to keep getting juiced up on grace but to grow (sanctification) in our relationship with him.
to say that we are cleansed before we even heard the gospel is crazy talk. im a sinner and im cleansed and set apart lol NO WAY im a sinner and im FILTHY and in sync with this world.
I have found at least 7 things about doing the will of God on this earth now that we are in Christ.
1) That we have eternal life in Christ - John 6:40
2) That we be filled with the Holy Spirit - Eph 5:16-21
3) That we live a pure, disciplined lifestyle - 1 Thess 4:3-4 ( we live out that holiness that is already in us in our new man ..created in Christ in righteousness and holiness )
4) That we are rejoicing in the Lord, praying without ceasing, and grateful - 1 Thess 5:16-18
5) That we be a law-abiding citizen - 1 Peter 2:13-16
6) That we believe and influence others to believe - 2 Peter 3:9
7) That we commit ourselves to God and other believers - 2 Cor 8:5
According to the works-based salvationists...because we must do the will of God..if someone is not joyful one day or didn't pray for a couple of days...or was not grateful for a day or so and they died..then they would go to hell because they didn't do " the will of God"..( see #4 above )....how foolish this nonsense is when we do not factor in the finished work of Christ.
What about #5 above...if you speed and crash your car and die..you go to hell because you were not doing " the will of God"...again the complete foolishness of people that say..not doing the will of God are not saved and we do not factor in the higher truth of being saved by grace through faith in Christ's work only.
The "doing of the will of God" for salvation is to believe on Christ and it is by grace through faith only - no works. Eph 2:8-9
The saint who rests in Christ and in His finished work is the will of God and what appears to be his free choices are actually God's will for him. It's loving God because you know His love for you, doing what is inside of you under His influence. Phil 2:13
1) That we have eternal life in Christ - John 6:40
2) That we be filled with the Holy Spirit - Eph 5:16-21
3) That we live a pure, disciplined lifestyle - 1 Thess 4:3-4 ( we live out that holiness that is already in us in our new man ..created in Christ in righteousness and holiness )
4) That we are rejoicing in the Lord, praying without ceasing, and grateful - 1 Thess 5:16-18
5) That we be a law-abiding citizen - 1 Peter 2:13-16
6) That we believe and influence others to believe - 2 Peter 3:9
7) That we commit ourselves to God and other believers - 2 Cor 8:5
According to the works-based salvationists...because we must do the will of God..if someone is not joyful one day or didn't pray for a couple of days...or was not grateful for a day or so and they died..then they would go to hell because they didn't do " the will of God"..( see #4 above )....how foolish this nonsense is when we do not factor in the finished work of Christ.
What about #5 above...if you speed and crash your car and die..you go to hell because you were not doing " the will of God"...again the complete foolishness of people that say..not doing the will of God are not saved and we do not factor in the higher truth of being saved by grace through faith in Christ's work only.
The "doing of the will of God" for salvation is to believe on Christ and it is by grace through faith only - no works. Eph 2:8-9
The saint who rests in Christ and in His finished work is the will of God and what appears to be his free choices are actually God's will for him. It's loving God because you know His love for you, doing what is inside of you under His influence. Phil 2:13
What does the scripture say is the "will of God"?
Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world
Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.
Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.
1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23[/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being lead by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. We walk them out as we life our lives dependent on Him.
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Jesus did the "will of God"...and delivered us from this present evil world
Galatians 1:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
It is God in us that gives us the will and the ability to do His will.
Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
The Will of the Father is to believe on Jesus.
1 John 3:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23[/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
The good works we do are from "being in Christ"..being lead by the Holy Spirit. Notice God has prepared them for us. We walk them out as we life our lives dependent on Him.
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Nope,
but thank you,
the point is as you stated it is christians who are doing the grieving . And one WHO has the Holy Spirit is the only one who can do the grieving. The Old testament the Spirit of god would depart Samson read about him. in the New testament The Holy Spirit is in the Believer at the time of salvation John 20:22 . when did the disciples get baptized in water ? was it before the Crucifixion? by John? or after Jesus rose again? if it was after please show me where in the scriptures.
You confuse "baptized with indwelling spirit" with "baptized in water". You are young. I would advise you to run like hell and get away from the church that is teaching you works. You cannot please the Lord with this works mindset . Just some advice from a gal who went through a season where I was literally miserable because I allowed men to teach me perverted doctrine
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