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It takes faith in the grace of Christ to declare who God says we already are in Him now in our inner man created in righteousness and holiness....
When we see Christ as in looking into a mirror - we will see ourselves in Him and the Holy Spirit transforms us outwardly in our behavior to be who we truly are. 2 Cor 3:17-18
When we see Christ as in looking into a mirror - we will see ourselves in Him and the Holy Spirit transforms us outwardly in our behavior to be who we truly are. 2 Cor 3:17-18
Herein lies the rub....
Many of us in the past have told this same individual this difference as you outlined above but he still continues to "twist" what is being said to make it "appear" we are saying something else entirely.
This is not in this case, a mis-understanding ...this is deliberate as this truth has been told over 100x times now at the very least from many different people in CC about what is really being said.
This is the real issue which you have isolated correctly and in truth.
IMO we really owe people that have this kind of behavior nothing but to love them!....
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Herein lies the rub....
Many of us in the past have told this same individual this difference as you outlined above but he still continues to "twist" what is being said to make it "appear" we are saying something else entirely.
This is not in this case, a mis-understanding ...this is deliberate as this truth has been told over 100x times now at the very least from many different people in CC about what is really being said.
This is the real issue which you have isolated correctly and in truth.
IMO we really owe people that have this kind of behavior nothing but to love them!.......
Many of us in the past have told this same individual this difference as you outlined above but he still continues to "twist" what is being said to make it "appear" we are saying something else entirely.
This is not in this case, a mis-understanding ...this is deliberate as this truth has been told over 100x times now at the very least from many different people in CC about what is really being said.
This is the real issue which you have isolated correctly and in truth.
IMO we really owe people that have this kind of behavior nothing but to love them!....
...
J
I have seen for years the minimization of obeying. I have already been through the grace alone thing, 15 years ago my friend. it leads somewhere else. but ill let your words here stand and Let the Lord sort this out in each persons Heart. The grace thing, is just a simple part of how and why we are to obey period. its our provision. Motivation? Jesus. Listen you have faith that you are saved by Grace, Have faith in the rest of His words. Like I have said multiple times. I do not judge ANYONES salvation, Not even My own, I look forward to a new Home where if I am the last in the door, have to sit waaaay in the back ill be happy for eternitI ive been through the g.o.g. .....im saying as I have continually, that is one small piece of the puzzle. The issue with all things are already done for you is that it makes it hard to understand that we are servants of the Lord. I think joseph prince should study more about the purpose of Grace, the thing is tho, obedience to God doesn't sell many books, people want to hear we don't need to commit. I honestly cant see how you guys just ignore the many clear straight forward scriptures.....actually I do understand exactly How. Just misunderstanding Paul. Like I said in the op, this is my last argument on this,.......if anyone will accept thwe word ( which btw, the word is what sanctifies) minimizing Obedience to God, is not from God. eternally its about obedience to God in Love for Jesus. and I think the op, and rest of the bible make it very clear what it is to Love God. whether you guys want to say all by grace, the actual matter is DO WE LOVE GOD? it is the great commandment, or does pauls words change the commandment? wich is ? to Obey Gods commands." This is Love, that we walk in obedience to His commands...." so its great to say I love everyone, I'm saved, ect......but if we are not following after with all of our heart that command, are we LOVING God with all of us? when Love to Him, and Jesus is clearly purposely described. over and over...obey....follow....do. its okay to be saved by Grace, when you are a fire will ignite to follow the Lord. God bless
Context - Context!
Paul is giving descriptions of people in 1 Cor 6:9-11 Notice Paul says the "unrighteous". as opposed to the "righteous" - these are the ones in Christ
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, ( slanderers ) nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified ( declared righteous ) in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
2 different categories of people..believer = righteousness unbeliever = unrighteousness
We can see the different conditions in the verse below of being in Christ ( righteousness ) or as an unbeliever. ( unrighteousness )
2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye ( believer ) not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness ( believer ) with unrighteousness? ( unbeliever ) and what communion hath light ( believer ) with darkness? ( unbeliever )
Sin does not separate a believer who is in Christ from God any more then Donald and Daffy Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation.
We need to grasp the reality of what it means to be a new creation in Christ in our inner man where Christ dwells in the Person of the Holy Spirit.
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
( He being Christ - keeps us - we do not keep ourselves, that is works-righteousness )
Paul is giving descriptions of people in 1 Cor 6:9-11 Notice Paul says the "unrighteous". as opposed to the "righteous" - these are the ones in Christ
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, ( slanderers ) nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified ( declared righteous ) in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
2 different categories of people..believer = righteousness unbeliever = unrighteousness
We can see the different conditions in the verse below of being in Christ ( righteousness ) or as an unbeliever. ( unrighteousness )
2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye ( believer ) not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness ( believer ) with unrighteousness? ( unbeliever ) and what communion hath light ( believer ) with darkness? ( unbeliever )
Sin does not separate a believer who is in Christ from God any more then Donald and Daffy Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation.
We need to grasp the reality of what it means to be a new creation in Christ in our inner man where Christ dwells in the Person of the Holy Spirit.
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
( He being Christ - keeps us - we do not keep ourselves, that is works-righteousness )
Ok..let's try out this out.....take 1 Cor 6:9 it says that "covetous" will not inherit the kingdom. So, if salvation was based on our works - then what happens to a believer in Christ that is born-again...but they are coveting the next door neighbors car. They die all of a sudden ....in this religion of works in order to be saved - this person would go to hell.
1 Cor 6:9-11 are descriptions of people outside of Christ and are in fact unrighteousness. Read post #115 above for further thoughts on 1 Cor.6.
1 Cor 6:9-11 are descriptions of people outside of Christ and are in fact unrighteousness. Read post #115 above for further thoughts on 1 Cor.6.
J
Herein lies the rub....
Many of us in the past have told this same individual this difference as you outlined above but he still continues to "twist" what is being said to make it "appear" we are saying something else entirely.
This is not in this case, a mis-understanding ...this is deliberate as this truth has been told over 100x times now at the very least from many different people in CC about what is really being said.
This is the real issue which you have isolated correctly and in truth.
IMO we really owe people that have this kind of behavior nothing but to love them!.......
Many of us in the past have told this same individual this difference as you outlined above but he still continues to "twist" what is being said to make it "appear" we are saying something else entirely.
This is not in this case, a mis-understanding ...this is deliberate as this truth has been told over 100x times now at the very least from many different people in CC about what is really being said.
This is the real issue which you have isolated correctly and in truth.
IMO we really owe people that have this kind of behavior nothing but to love them!....
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actually, I haven't accused anyone of anything. saying the truth does what it is supposed to do. the g.o.g. the popular one out there. is true. but it is a small part. for instance joseph prince once in a great while hell say " sin, oh yeah I'm against it, anyways, this is how to be blessed and healed friends" repentance is a requirement. grace does not force us, its an offer and it can be accepted or rejected. the gospel of grace is true, but Jesus is far more and makes things very clear when were not just looking for words to support not having to repent, or not having to obey. I'm sorry yopu guys feel attacked n all that, not my intention and Jesus knows this, I honestly don't care if I'm disliked, its an honor to be saying obey Jesus and Have peeps get upset with you truthfully, Just another word of God that's true. even though a person resists the truth, Later if it roots it will produce fruit in their Life......