Grace through faith AND the law dont mix?

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eternally-gratefull

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Here is the context



He is springboarding off of what is mentioned in HRFTD's post concenering a good or evil spirit and is saying UNLESS ofcourse they have one
It is still wrong, And it was based of HRFTD's continued gnostic rambles. and a false belief of what someone else was saying, or had said.

If people would stop supporting him when he does this, it would end. It has got end soon. This is supposed to be a BIBLE discussion forum is it not?
 
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not sure what you mean, can you explain please. Thank you.
When someone delivers the word of God, to say to the messnegr of it, SO... Do YOU...? (whichever way you want take it it) do YOU sin? Or dont you sin?

It matters nothing, whether they do or do not does not make the verse void (or bring it to nought) or bury it (or whatever someone is seeking to do by asking that question)

I never get that tactic, thats all it can be the verse will stand regardles of how the poster answers

The messenger is irrelevant really, which is why I dont get going after him/her over it.
 
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It is still wrong, And it was based of HRFTD's continued gnostic rambles. and a false belief of what someone else was saying, or had said.

If people would stop supporting him when he does this, it would end. It has got end soon. This is supposed to be a BIBLE discussion forum is it not?
Someone is over on another thread telling HRFTD that he doesnt have the HOLY spirit (directly so) you approve?
 
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When someone delivers the word of God, to say to the messnegr of it, SO... Do YOU...? (whichever way you want take it it) do YOU sin? Or dont you sin?

It matters nothing, whether they do or do not does not make the verse void (or bring it to nought) or bury it (or whatever someone is seeking to do by asking that question)

I never get that tactic, thats all it can be the verse will stand regardles of how the poster answers

The messenger is irrelevant really, which is why I dont get going after him/her over it.
are you talking about me asking if someone is perfect? I still do not quite understand what your getting at.. I do not want to misread you. I want to understand.. we have enough people who do not want to understand something, That's how I think these huge arguments take place.
 
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Someone is over on another thread telling HRFTD that he doesnt have the HOLY spirit (directly so) you approve?

If I remember right, I chastened the guy for saying this. I told him there is hope for anyone, and we do not have the right to judge anyone.

So should I hold others by the same standard? or just let them go?? do two wrongs make a right?
 

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Yes, God never changes, but His Covenant did! :)
Really

PSALM 89 [30] IF HIS CHILDREN FORSAKE MY LAW, and walk not in my judgments; [31] If they break my statutes, AND KEEP NOT MY COMMANDMENTS; [32] Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. [33] Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. [34] MY COVENANT WILL I NOT BREAK, NOR ALTER the thing that is gone out of my lips.

The Lord saw this break from HIS law coming. Dont look good for the many
 
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forget what?

That I called the other person, and this person out for the same thing?

This is what I mean.
Forget I asked a question, its a habit I have been trying to break, I dont need to ask it thats all.

When I said, I am done here (I was just saying forget I asked) I dont need an answer.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Originally Posted by Vdp
Again HeRoseFromTheDead i totally am beginning to believe you are here just to mock us True Christians with your own version of what God says.

Like Matthew said, you are not one of the Elect who will enter into Heaven.
there is always hope. for everyone, Saul was a man of religion, Yet he got saved and wrote half the new testament, Never judge someone, and never give up hope :)

VDP was just as wrong as the people who judged someone not having the spirit today.
 
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Forget I asked a question, its a habit I have been trying to break, I dont need to ask it thats all.

When I said, I am done here (I was just saying forget I asked) I dont need an answer.
its ok. I am sorry, It is just so many people do not try to figure out what someone else is saying, and just respond blindly. I do not want to do that, If I do not understand, I would rather sound stupid and ask a question then just respond blindly.

Forgive me sis
 

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There was no law of circumcision, Circumcision was a sign of the covenant. Not the law itself.
John 7:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Scripture begs to differ
 

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For anyone to believe it is up to their own works and good intentions to save them, realize it is a slap in the face of Jesus to do so.
As ive said before, you are saved by grace alone. But let me ask you a question

ISAIAH 48 [17] THUS SAITH THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

Whose your Redeemer? What does He saith?
 
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Faith comes first, but an obedient faith will produce good works=good fruit. Remember these, we are saved by grace through faith, and also grace reigns through righteousness, and a proof of this conversion is that sin will have no rule over your life if you are truly under grace.

Here's an old post I wrote which explains how Grace, faith, and even righteousness is imputed to us as a gift, but the proof of this being active in a person who claims to be in Christ will be in the fruits they produce.

The grace and the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ is a gift as is shown here….

Romans 5:17 “For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)”

Romans 5:21 “That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Galatians 2:21 “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

But if we are to reign with Christ by the grace of God, and to also abide in His righteousness, do we then walk in
unrighteousness? For all unrighteousness is sin. (
1 John 5:17)

Romans 6:13 “Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
2 Corinthians 5:21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Again if we are truly made a new man in Christ, and Christ is truly in us, do we continue to walk in
unrighteousness?


1 Peter 2:24 “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.”

So truly you will know who is, or who is not, in Christ by their fruits.(
Matthew 7:20)

1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:10 “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”

1 John 2:6 “He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Don't forget that GOD does not need to see your faith In a physical way.
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Romans 4:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
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Abraham was credited righteousness before he offered Isaac(I'm talking about obedience)

As far as obedience Is concerned
Ephesians 2:8-11
King James Version(KJV)

8.)For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9.)Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10.)For we are HIS workmanship, created in CHRIST JESUS unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

11.)Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
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Romans 12:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2.)And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
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John 7:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Scripture begs to differ
This does not say there is a law of circumcision.

This speaks of two laws. Sabaath and circumcision which are part of the mosaic law.

Please/
 

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What they don't understand is that sin originates from the spirit of the inner man, heart and mind. Thus if they confess they sin often outwardly, then we know their "inner man" is not of the same Spirit as Christ. Once again, they have proven themselves and their doctrine reprobate.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Romans 8:7


So if sin originates from the spirit within man, if the scriptures teach that the flesh without the spirit is dead then where does the spirit within man originate from? the dust, the water or the air? or does the spirit originate from Christ?

Col 1:15-17
 
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eternally-gratefull

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it has to do with the law being abolished.
you said to repent.
if there is no law then there is no way to repent. its impossible.

lol.. If there was no law we would not need saved, because we could not be condemned. so we agree here.

So, do we want to mock God and repent over and over and be resaved a thousand times in our lifetime?

or repent once, of all sin, and acknowledge you are a sinner, and will be until the day you die, and ask God for his mercy to save a sinner like you.