My current view is that is for sure there are some people that refuse Christ's sacrifice. How? I don't know how people can do that when they see what He has really done and of His great love for them. ( maybe if we preached the real gospel they might get to know that fact? )
So, there is a "state of being" or "condition" in that these that reject Christ are being tormented - but not in the traditional sense.
What torments these people is the love and goodness of God. As crossnote put in that scripture in Revelation that said those that reject Christ are tormented in the presence of the angels and of the Lamb.
So, whatever term people call this "state of being" or "condition" is. This is really a manifestation of the love and goodness of God because they are in His presence.
Colossians says that everything is held together by Christ. I don't believe in this separation from God theory. ( separated from experiencing the quality of God's life - yes ) I believe those that reject Christ are in fact in His presence still.
It's the goodness and love that heaps coals of fire onto people. This is what I think people that reject Christ will experience. His goodness and love will torment them.
Romans 12:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "BUT IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM, AND IF HE IS THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK; FOR IN SO DOING YOU WILL HEAP BURNING COALS ON HIS HEAD."
Just some random thoughts on the subject...
So, there is a "state of being" or "condition" in that these that reject Christ are being tormented - but not in the traditional sense.
What torments these people is the love and goodness of God. As crossnote put in that scripture in Revelation that said those that reject Christ are tormented in the presence of the angels and of the Lamb.
So, whatever term people call this "state of being" or "condition" is. This is really a manifestation of the love and goodness of God because they are in His presence.
Colossians says that everything is held together by Christ. I don't believe in this separation from God theory. ( separated from experiencing the quality of God's life - yes ) I believe those that reject Christ are in fact in His presence still.
It's the goodness and love that heaps coals of fire onto people. This is what I think people that reject Christ will experience. His goodness and love will torment them.
Romans 12:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "BUT IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM, AND IF HE IS THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK; FOR IN SO DOING YOU WILL HEAP BURNING COALS ON HIS HEAD."
Just some random thoughts on the subject...