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oooh, nice. - I have a guy in my class who keeps bugging me about all the other "christs", using it as an argument that I believe in fantasies. Maybe I should make him watch this...
 
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miktre

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oooh, nice. - I have a guy in my class who keeps bugging me about all the other "christs", using it as an argument that I believe in fantasies. Maybe I should make him watch this...
If you think it would help then you should.
 
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Holding hands with the Dalai Lama, no surprise there.
 
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Wattie,

I appreciate your post. Miktre, I am sorry that you decided to post a video that ties all the New Age movement within Christianity to the Catholic Church. I really wanted to know what the New Age looks like within Christianity - not a run down of Catholic beliefs and doctrines that conservative Protestants disagree with, tied into pagan beliefs.

I think Wattie came the closest to describing New Age teachings - I would love to hear more.
 
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miktre

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Wattie,

I appreciate your post. Miktre, I am sorry that you decided to post a video that ties all the New Age movement within Christianity to the Catholic Church. I really wanted to know what the New Age looks like within Christianity - not a run down of Catholic beliefs and doctrines that conservative Protestants disagree with, tied into pagan beliefs.

I think Wattie came the closest to describing New Age teachings - I would love to hear more.
If you watch the entire movie it presents unprejudiced and truthful material against both Catholics and Protestants equally. It was anything but a run down of old Catholic beliefs and doctrines that conservative Protestants disagree with. It simply put forth information of what each is involved with, not set on old beliefs and doctrines but new ones that are emerging. I see the protestants have accepted the information readily, but you can't. This is a big problem when you put your faith on any given man, like the Pope. Best to rest your faith in the one, and that is Christ alone. That way you don't set yourself up so readily for the deception. You are welcome for the post you thanked me for.
 
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If you watch the entire movie it presents unprejudiced and truthful material against both Catholics and Protestants equally.

Well, I did watch the whole video, and like I mentioned before, it tied the New Age infiltration of Protestantism back to the Pope's evil plan to create a world religion.

It was anything but a run down of old Catholic beliefs and doctrines that conservative Protestants disagree with. It simply put forth information of what each is involved with, not set on old beliefs and doctrines but new ones that are emerging.

Associating Mary with Isis is not new. Neither is claiming that Catholics worship Mary. It is just tiring, Miktre.....

I see the protestants have accepted the information readily, but you can't.

You sure seem to make a lot of assumptions about me Miktre

This is a big problem when you put your faith on any given man, like the Pope.

I think you need to go read my thread "Am I a Christian?" I didn't mention Mary or the Pope in my 10 point personal creed - in fact, I really think I am far from being Mary or Pope focused......I certainly do not promote the teachings - all I have ever done on this board is correct the disinformation that you and others are spreading about the doctrines of my church.

Best to rest your faith in the one, and that is Christ alone. That way you don't set yourself up so readily for the deception.

I think we can all be readily deceived Miktre.


You are welcome for the post you thanked me for.


I really do not remember thanking you, but ok.....


Blessings......
 
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miktre

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Well, I did watch the whole video, and like I mentioned before, it tied the New Age infiltration of Protestantism back to the Pope's evil plan to create a world religion.

I didn't say the whole video, I said the entire movie in which I posted a link to.



Associating Mary with Isis is not new. Neither is claiming that Catholics worship Mary. It is just tiring, Miktre.....
Try not to focus on one little section of the movie. See it as overall picture.



You sure seem to make a lot of assumptions about me Miktre
Nah, I've seen many of your posts on here.



I think you need to go read my thread "Am I a Christian?" I didn't mention Mary or the Pope in my 10 point personal creed - in fact, I really think I am far from being Mary or Pope focused......I certainly do not promote the teachings - all I have ever done on this board is correct the disinformation that you and others are spreading about the doctrines of my church.
I think it would be best if you took an honest look at your church.



I think we can all be readily deceived Miktre.
You are right, especially when we put faith in men like the pope.



I really do not remember thanking you, but ok.....
This should refresh your memory:

I appreciate your post
Maybe you were talking to wattie, I dunno cause you blended one conversation into another. You are welcome any ways:)

You should know also that I posted the video for all to see. It wasn't just for your benefit. I have gotten many positive remarks from it. Even from those who once listened to Rev. Billy Graham. Those were people who were able to get honest with themselves. If you would like to address why your Pope is doing things such as putting on Pagan garb, allowing buddist to put a statue and worship in one of your churches, and getting blessed by a hindu god of death then I'm all ears. I see these are things you would rather avoid else you would have addressed them.
 
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The devil creeping in to blind people. So they will go to hell. Lord don't let the people be deceieved.
 
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New Age is very similar to Hinduism. It has multiple Gods or Spirits... is generally pantheistic - (God being in objects and nature- not just created them.. but actually an object or a tree being God)...

It is really a combination of beliefs... choose your own, make your own religion.

So you have people who will put on the 'Christ consciousness'.. seemingly christian... but then also look to Buddhist leaders teachings and also Hindu philosophers.

It is basically Western Zen Buddhism with a bit of Hinduism aswell.

I was into these kind of beliefs for a few years.. believing I could draw energy from nature and people 'divine' energy.. and that would bring oneness with everything. I would meditate, draw power from crystals, believe I had past lives, get into group healings.

I was actually trying to combine Christianity with these beliefs.. but just ended up squishing my beliefs.. like chalk and cheese.

I believe I was saved before I got into the New Age beliefs.. since I sincerely called for salvation at 13. I also attended Protestant churches right from 0-22 years old.

Getting into the New Age stuff didn't unto my salvation- I don believe there is any way it can be lossed.. but I certainly would have hurt the Holy Spirit.. welcoming His discipline and rebuke.

Thankfully.. I woke up when I got to university.. after joinging a christian club on campus.. I was taught the reality of Jesus Christ.. not just that he might be the Son of God.. or might be the saviour.. but that He IS.. and will preserve my salvation. I learned assurance of salvation.. eternal security.. how to study the bible.. how to share my faith and how to run a small group..

Now I am a member of an independent missionary baptist church in New Zealand.. and what I learned has allowed God to work in me so I am now in leadership at this church.

Anyway..

New Age is basically a combo of beliefs.. very similar to Hinduism.. and in the West has a big influence of Zen Buddhism.. Jesus is even part of the beliefs if you want Him in there.
Awesome post & testimony! Praise the Lord I continue in prayer for my friends that they too will break free!
 
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This was the video that I referred to that caused me to question a few things, including my beloved Billy Graham. & I too reflected on the fact that if Miktre would have posted that with the words "Billy Graham denies Christ" I would have said HOGWASH and not even watched. I think it shows how toxic and subtle this can be to even the revered in pastoral leadership. We need to all be aware, cause the "God judging the heart" is truly a thought that a Christian would love, because we do love & want salvation for all. I feel a little to passionate about this cause its hits so close to home in so many ways. If I hear the words mother earth on tv one more time I'm going to scream! & if I hear karma one more time I'm going to scream louder. whats best is when the weather man who wont acknowledge God says lets hope Karma is for us and Mother earth gives us some snow for the olympics. Am I the only one disturbed by this?
 
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I have something to say about BILLY GRAHAM and the (2) interviews that so many condemn him for. Some of you, like JOHN MACARTHUR are going to take all the 1000's of messages that he has preached Jesus Christ and Him crucified throughout all the world in the last 50+ years and trash them over (2) interviews that most people misunderstood, including JOHN MACARTHUR.

Billy Graham had a call from God on his life and he obeyed that call and was faithful to it for 50+ years. Millions of unbelievers heard the gospel of Jesus Christ and came to a saving knowledge and were saved, cleansed and forgiven of sins and many backslides as well. He proclaimed the name of Jesus and salvation under that name more than any other evangelist during the time of his call. Today people are viewing on TV his former messages of the gospel and getting saved generations later. They did everything they could to get these new converts into local churches in their area and even had missionaries sent to start one where there was none. You would think that a man of God like MACARTHUR would recognize these things and given BILLY GRAHAM double honor like the scriptures teach instead of ridiculing what was said on those interviews as an 88 year old man, who may be functioning with limited faculties.

Shame on MACARTHUR who has never learned about double honor and never studied how David treated Saul who tried to take his life on several occasions. I wonder if he ever read what David said about Saul after his death, knowing that God had taking the kingdom away from him and was given to another. David let no guile come out of his mouth and this is what he said in honor of King Saul and his son Jonathan...

2Sam 1:19-25 The beauty of Israel is slain upon thy high places: how are the mighty fallen!
20 Tell it not in Gath, publish it not in the streets of Askelon; lest the daughters of the Philistines rejoice, lest the daughters of the uncircumcised triumph.
21 Ye mountains of Gilboa, let there be no dew, neither let there be rain, upon you, nor fields of offerings: for there the shield of the mighty is vilely cast away, the shield of Saul, as though he had not been anointed with oil.
22 From the blood of the slain, from the fat of the mighty, the bow of Jonathan turned not back, and the sword of Saul returned not empty.
23 Saul and Jonathan were lovely and pleasant in their lives, and in their death they were not divided: they were swifter than eagles, they were stronger than lions.
24 Ye daughters of Israel, weep over Saul, who clothed you in scarlet, with other delights, who put on ornaments of gold upon your apparel.
25 How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places.

That is double honor and there are some believers today that actually think that Saul went to hell because he disobeyed the voice of God and because of the evil spirit that God had given him. There are those today that think that BILLY GRAHAM is also going to hell and JOHN MACARTHUR promotes that slander by his statements about the man of God. MACARTHUR should repent of the evil of what he said about God's man, BILLY GRAHAM, and make it public. For some reason we think that we have a right to criticize the man that God has called and raised up and we do not have that right. I have plenty more to say about it but I'll save it for later for all those ignorant scoundrels that don't know anything about the call of God.
 
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There is a deeper story to Billy Graham's beginnings, some say he was a "made man". You show me any preacher with any kind of stature and there will be surely some dirt on him and in many cases it's well deserved. I believe there is a deeper lesson here though, one that God Himself has repeatedly taught us concerning the end days that draw near. That there will be many deceptions in the world today and it seems many Christians are all to willing to hang there hat on another man's rack. I really admired that Imoss was able to take a honest look at what that man had said and discern that it doesn't coincide with God's word. That everything he says or does is not of God, many are unable to do that. I don't come here to badmouth Billy or the Pope and get no pleasure out of it. I do get pleasure out of seeing a Christian put God's word above what any man teaches. I am like you, a truth seeker, seeking God's truth honestly, regardless alike of the praise of man or the fear of man; and quite apart from all traditional beliefs or interpretations. To Be true to God's word only.

Mike
(yes its mike and its OK to call me mike, I just couldn't admit Imoss was right:D)
 
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There is a deeper story to Billy Graham's beginnings, some say he was a "made man". You show me any preacher with any kind of stature and there will be surely some dirt on him and in many cases it's well deserved. I believe there is a deeper lesson here though, one that God Himself has repeatedly taught us concerning the end days that draw near. That there will be many deceptions in the world today and it seems many Christians are all to willing to hang there hat on another man's rack. I really admired that Imoss was able to take a honest look at what that man had said and discern that it doesn't coincide with God's word. That everything he says or does is not of God, many are unable to do that. I don't come here to badmouth Billy or the Pope and get no pleasure out of it. I do get pleasure out of seeing a Christian put God's word above what any man teaches. I am like you, a truth seeker, seeking God's truth honestly, regardless alike of the praise of man or the fear of man; and quite apart from all traditional beliefs or interpretations. To Be true to God's word only.

Mike
(yes its mike and its OK to call me mike, I just couldn't admit Imoss was right:D)
Do you have anything good or edifying that you would like to say about Billy Graham and the 50 years that he served God faithfully in the call that God gave him? Is there any fruit that you can attest to that might indicate that God was with him? If you do not see any fruit and have nothing to say that is edifying concerning this man that God raised up and the ministry that he served in faithfully, then you are like those that are described in Jer 17:6 as one that shall not see when good cometh.
 
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GOD IS NOT A FANTASY!

He is a delusion. an invisible man in the sky? come on listen to yourselves, if a homeless bum told you the government was conducting experiments on him, that he is close friends with the president, thought the government was watching him spending millions of dollars on survailance. You would think to yourself that that man was crazy.

So why are Christians immune to delusional disorders?

God bless
 
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For your information, the rapture is just another example of mass hysteria, think Y2K bug nothing happened, 2012, nothing will happen. The rapture will likely we a meteor destroyig the earth, not giving us enough time to do anything about it.

God bless, and lets be real about this, people are starting to loose faith
 
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miktre

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Do you have anything good or edifying that you would like to say about Billy Graham and the 50 years that he served God faithfully in the call that God gave him? Is there any fruit that you can attest to that might indicate that God was with him? If you do not see any fruit and have nothing to say that is edifying concerning this man that God raised up and the ministry that he served in faithfully, then you are like those that are described in Jer 17:6 as one that shall not see when good cometh.
No, I'll leave to you and others like you. I'm not here to boast men, simply seek God's truth. If you want the real truth of what I personally believe about him here it is: He was a freemason and a "made man" they put him in the spot light and on the cover of time magazine and gave him national press. He was the pastor to the presidents of the United States, all of them freemasons. I personally believe you cannot serve two masters, that you cannot be a freemason and a Christian because of what freemasonry has become. I personally believe he is a false teacher. There it is, that's what I truly believe. Now you probably think I'm crazy and am full of hate and satanic or something. If you want my real opinion that is it, I hold back usually from giving it as I don't want to stir it up too much trouble in here. Can we still be friends? I Am willing.
 
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For your information, the rapture is just another example of mass hysteria, think Y2K bug nothing happened, 2012, nothing will happen. The rapture will likely we a meteor destroyig the earth, not giving us enough time to do anything about it.

God bless, and lets be real about this, people are starting to loose faith
I don't believe the rapture but the Bible doesn't nowhere near say anything about a meteor destroying the earth. Thats not written, it will happen just as Christ said it would.
 
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the bible didnt even predict the moon landing.
Dragons will live in Babylonian palaces and satyrs will dance there. 13:21-22
I mean what drugs were the authors of the bible on?

I like to compare it to harry potter, people read that and kids believe its real!

You dont believe in santa clause do you? tooth fairy? or that the government doesn't really care about its people, the people care about the people.

As i said, If you want to live exactly the way the bible reads, then throw away all your posessions and go live in jerusalem with all the delusionals that flock there.
 
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