Is Eternal Security Conditional or Unconditional?
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Believing in the gospel of the grace of Christ is what obeying the words of Jesus are for the New Covenant believer and relying completely on His finished work for us.
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
Galatians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
We encourage all believers in Christ to live totally dependent on Christ inside of them and not on their own flesh as we walk with the Lord in this life.
Colossians 2:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
Galatians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
We encourage all believers in Christ to live totally dependent on Christ inside of them and not on their own flesh as we walk with the Lord in this life.
Colossians 2:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.
Here you admit conflating the law of Moses with the law of Christ (into one law), and justify yourself by saying that no person can keep that law. But Jesus and John said that Christ's law was not a burden so that it couldn't be kept (as Peter said about the law of Moses).
IMO, admitting that you can't obey Jesus' words demonstrates that you don't have saving faith.
Come to me, all [of you] who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke on you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke [is] easy to carry and my burden is light. Matthew 11:28-30
For this is the love of God: that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome, because everyone who is fathered by God conquers the world. And this is the victory which has conquered the world: our faith. 1 John 5:3-4
For this is the love of God: that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome, because everyone who is fathered by God conquers the world. And this is the victory which has conquered the world: our faith. 1 John 5:3-4
IMO, admitting that you can't obey Jesus' words demonstrates that you don't have saving faith.
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That pesky purpose clause keeps getting ya doesn't it? "that" introduces the purpose or reason for the destruction of the flesh. It is why we see the subjunctive mood. In a purpose clause the indicative mood cannot be used, because it is stating a purpose. It is not stating maybe his spirit will be saved or maybe it won't. It is stating the purpose.
The purpose clause doesn't answer the "what" it answers the "why." It gives the result. destroy the flesh, the result is a saved spirit. It states intentions, not whether something will happen or not.
The purpose clause doesn't answer the "what" it answers the "why." It gives the result. destroy the flesh, the result is a saved spirit. It states intentions, not whether something will happen or not.
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lol.. are you serious? If you deny the words of Christ, You reject him. You do not claim to have faith in someone, yet deny his words.. I think this is your problem, You do not know what it means to have true salvic faith in him..
Those who have true faith will work.. You say they must, the only difference is one word..
when you say MUST, you say salvation is dependent on works.
WHen you say will, you say works is dependent on salvation,
Yet you say people lie about you saying you teach works,
Those who have true faith will work.. You say they must, the only difference is one word..
when you say MUST, you say salvation is dependent on works.
WHen you say will, you say works is dependent on salvation,
Yet you say people lie about you saying you teach works,
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Are you perfect? do you obey your little "Christ"s law perfectly?
If you say yes, I will call you out, For you can not do what Jesus said 24/7
Mosaic law is included in christ law (the moral aspect) so stop trying to inflate your own ego by trying to belittle the law of Jesus
Your teaching dual covenant theory, saying our salvation is easier than the OT people. Thats a lie from hell.
IMO you saying you can live up to some standard proves you do not have saving faith in Christ to save you, But you have saved yourself by being obedient.
Thats faith in self not Christ my friend.
Can someone explain these scriptures?
2 Peter 2:19-21 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
Hebrews 6:4-6 [SUP] [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
John 15:1-7 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
God's promises to his people have conditions rather we accept or believe it.
2 Peter 2:19-21 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
Hebrews 6:4-6 [SUP] [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
John 15:1-7 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
God's promises to his people have conditions rather we accept or believe it.
Let me try to explain Hebrews 6:4-6:
The person who has been enlightened by God and who has received the Holy Spirit, etc. - if this person falls away (leaves the Lord - "backslides", then it in impossible for him/her to be brought back to repentance as long as they are continuing to "crucify the Son of God afresh" and are continuing to "put him to an open shame"
The "continuing" is based on the use of the Greek present participle
The person who has been enlightened by God and who has received the Holy Spirit, etc. - if this person falls away (leaves the Lord - "backslides", then it in impossible for him/her to be brought back to repentance as long as they are continuing to "crucify the Son of God afresh" and are continuing to "put him to an open shame"
The "continuing" is based on the use of the Greek present participle
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There is a huge difference between knowing the gospel. and actually having received in in faith to the point of being saved, Many know it, few have recieved it, To the one who knew it, and rejected it, and turned from it, to him it will be worse (he had it in his hand and let it slip away)
read the next verses, It says the earth is near to being cursed, It is not cursed. see also 1 cor 12, and the rewards of gold silver precisou stone wood hey straw, near to being cursed, but saved as through fire. Same idea.
The context is returning to law. Which teaches salvation must be renewed, The point is, If salvation can be lost, it can never be regained, it is gone forever.. And to even say a person can fall away, is to offend the cross. For it states Christ death was not all sufficient for the forgiveness of all sin, Some sin can still cause us to fall away.
speaks of physical life of people in tribulation enduring through it until christ returns, Spiritual eternal life is not context.
The greek says the branch is literally lifted up. (not cut off) So it can produce fruit. It is common in the industry. lifting a vine off the ground so it can produce.
it is talking about producing fruit, Not being saved. context must be applied
Sanctification does have conditions, Justification has no conditions.. Salvation is not because we works, it is because of Gods mercy..
Again, Context is king.
You can not mix sanctification (spiritual growth) with justification (salvation) or else you get into trouble
read the next verses, It says the earth is near to being cursed, It is not cursed. see also 1 cor 12, and the rewards of gold silver precisou stone wood hey straw, near to being cursed, but saved as through fire. Same idea.
The context is returning to law. Which teaches salvation must be renewed, The point is, If salvation can be lost, it can never be regained, it is gone forever.. And to even say a person can fall away, is to offend the cross. For it states Christ death was not all sufficient for the forgiveness of all sin, Some sin can still cause us to fall away.
speaks of physical life of people in tribulation enduring through it until christ returns, Spiritual eternal life is not context.
The greek says the branch is literally lifted up. (not cut off) So it can produce fruit. It is common in the industry. lifting a vine off the ground so it can produce.
it is talking about producing fruit, Not being saved. context must be applied
Sanctification does have conditions, Justification has no conditions.. Salvation is not because we works, it is because of Gods mercy..
Again, Context is king.
You can not mix sanctification (spiritual growth) with justification (salvation) or else you get into trouble
This message is hidden because eternally-gratefull is on your ignore list.
Why does this fellow follow me around responding to my posts when he knows I put him on ignore? Hmmmm.
Why does this fellow follow me around responding to my posts when he knows I put him on ignore? Hmmmm.
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