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Allah is simply the Arabic word for God..... Muslim women arent forced to be baby making machines, Muslim women (when treated correctly following the Quran, are treated very well) they are allowed to have birth control, go to school ect...

Lol where did you get this information?! Muslim women are treated very well! Indeed! smh
 
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The fact that Jews have the biggest problem with the Islamic religion should be a red flag to any Christian to begin with, but... yeah idk. Touchy subject. There are most likely culturally Arab individuals who call themselves Muslim who worship the Truth, and speak it under duress more than some culturally Jewish people. The Lord IS the Truth (whenever spoken) I just wish they would take comfort in the fact that salvation comes from the Jews, and therefor they are judged first. Idk. *Shrug*
Quote "The fact that Jews have the biggest problem with the Islamic religion should be a red flag to any Christian to begin with, but..."

Can you explain what you mean here? Thanks.
 

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Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world by far. 70% of its converts in the USA and Europe are women, mostly white women.


Now compare Hinduism which is tolerated so much more by Westerners:


https://www.google.com/search?q=fem...ome.0.69i59.4320j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I wish you would have made a definitive statement from the link. Not all of us have all the time we would like to check on these things.

I can only assume (which is dangerous, I know) that it's speaking of what Hindus do to their own women.

I abhore all violence.

But I must say that I don't see the comparison. If Christians, for example, started mistreating Christians, it remains a problem within the Christian community which needs to be handled - primarily by them.

However, if they began harming those outside their religion , then it would become a world-wide problem.

I apologize if this is not what the article was about...

Fran
 

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FranC; said:
I wish you would have made a definitive statement from the link. Not all of us have all the time we would like to check on these things.

I can only assume (which is dangerous, I know) that it's speaking of what Hindus do to their own women.

I abhore all violence.

But I must say that I don't see the comparison. If Christians, for example, started mistreating Christians, it remains a problem within the Christian community which needs to be handled - primarily by them.

However, if they began harming those outside their religion , then it would become a world-wide problem.

I apologize if this is not what the article was about...

Fran





It is well worth a look. Contrary to what many in the west believe, it is Hindus who have practiced terrorism against Muslims* and who have practiced genocide against females, especially babies. In the past I have read that this includes those couples who are mixed by religion. To me, harming children is everyone's problem.




* they have also done so against Christians - you may Google for further info
 
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It is well worth a look. Contrary to what many in the west believe, it is Hindus who have practiced terrorism against Muslims* and who have practiced genocide against females, especially babies. In the past I have read that this includes those couples who are mixed by religion. To me, harming children is everyone's problem.




* they have also done so against Christians - you may Google for further info
Thanks for replying Peacenik.
I know that what you say is true. There is much violence in the world - Boko Harram in Africa, for instance. And countries that do harm to their own, like Saudi Arabia, for instance.

You're also right that many are not aware of what goes on. Many don't feel threatened by Isis, for example. Their head is buried in the sand...

I agree with you that these problems are for the whole world to be concerned with.
I'm thinking of how Hitler started out and how it ended up.

Fran
 
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Thank you for this post. I have studied Islam in the Middle East and the sectarian tension that exists between Sunni and Shia muslims. Other religions do have extremist groups. However, no ther main religion has as many groups that can be considered extremist and/or terrorist.

A group like ISIS murders those who are considerer "Kafir" or unbelievers, and thinks these groups should be enslaved as well as their women held as concubines. Bernard Haykel, one of the foremost secular authorite on ISIS has said, "There is an assiduous, obsessive, seriousness about the groups dedication to the text of the Koran." I took this quote from an article entitled, "What ISIS Really Wants." This is the link; What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic

Here is a concise article about the historical reality of the muslim conquests. It is entitled "The Historical Reality of the Muslim Conquests.". This is the link; The Historical Reality of the Muslim Conquests :: Middle East Forum
 

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[h=1]The Historical Reality of the Muslim Conquests[/h]by Raymond Ibrahim
Jihad Watch
March 1, 2012


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Because it is now almost axiomatic for American school textbooks to whitewash all things Islamic (seehere for example), it may be instructive to examine one of those aspects that are regularly distorted: the Muslim conquests.
Few events of history are so well documented and attested to as are these conquests, which commenced soon after the death of the Muslim prophet Muhammad (632) and tapered off circa 750. Large swathes of the Old World—from the India in the east, to Spain in the west—were conquered and consolidated by the sword of Islam during this time, with more after (e.g., the Ottoman conquests).
By the standards of history, the reality of these conquests is unassailable, for history proper concerns itself with primary sources; and the Islamic conquests are thoroughly documented. More importantly, the overwhelming majority of primary source materials we rely on do not come from non-Muslims, who might be accused of bias. Rather, the foremost historians bequeathing to posterity thousands of pages of source materials documenting the Islamic conquests were not only Muslims themselves; they were—and still are—regarded by today's Muslims as pious and trustworthy scholars (generically, the ulema).
Among the most authoritative books devoted to recounting the conquests are: Ibn Ishaq's (d. 767)Sira ("Life of Muhammad"), the oldest biography of Muhammad; Waqidi's (d. circa. 820) Maghazi("Military Campaigns [of the Prophet]"); Baladhuri's (d. 892) Futuh al-Buldan ("Conquests of the Nations"); and Tabari's (d.923) multi-volume Tarikh al-Rusul wa al-Muluk, ("History of Prophets and Kings"), which is 40 volumes in the English translation.
Taken together, these accounts (which are primarily based on older accounts—oral and written—tracing back to Muhammad and his successors) provide what was once, and in the Muslim world still is, a famous story: that Allah had perfected religion (Islam) for all humanity; that he commanded his final prophet (Muhammad) and community (Muslims) to spread Islam to the world; and that the latter was/is to accept it either willingly or unwillingly (jihad).
It should be noted that contemporary non-Muslim accounts further validate the facts of the conquests. The writings of the Christian bishop of Jerusalem Sophronius (d.638), for instance, or the chronicles of the Byzantine historian Theophanes (d.758), to name a couple, make clear that Muslims conquered much of what is today called the "Muslim world."
According to the Muslim historical tradition, the majority of non-Muslim peoples of the Old World, not desiring to submit to Islam or its laws (Sharia), fought back, though most were eventually defeated and subsumed.
The first major conquest, renowned for its brutality, occurred in Arabia itself, immediately after Muhammad's death in 632. Many tribes which had only nominally accepted Islam's authority, upon Muhammad's death, figured they could break away; however, Muhammad's successor and first caliph, or successor, Abu Bakr, would have none of that, and proclaimed a jihad against these apostates, known in Arabic as the "Ridda Wars" (or Apostasy Wars). According to the aforementioned historians, tens of thousands of Arabs were put to the sword until their tribes re-submitted to Islam.
The Ridda Wars ended around 634. To keep the Arab Muslims from quarreling, the next caliph, Omar, launched the Muslim conquests: Syria was conquered around 636, Egypt 641, Mesopotamia and the Persian Empire, 650. By the early 8th century, all of north Africa and Spain to the west, and the lands of central Asia and India to the east, were also brought under Islamic suzerainty.
The colorful accounts contained in the Muslim tradition are typified by constant warfare, which normally goes as follows: Muslims go to a new region and offer the inhabitants three choices: 1) submit (i.e., convert) to Islam; 2) live as second-class citizens, or "dhimmis," paying special taxes and accepting several social debilitations; 3) fight to the death.
Centuries later, and partially due to trade, Islam came to be accepted by a few periphery peoples, mostly polytheists and animists, who followed no major religion (e.g., in Indonesia, Somalia), and who currently form the outer fringes of the Islamic world.
Ironically, these exceptions are now portrayed as the rule in America's classrooms: many textbooks suggest or at least imply that most people who converted to Islam did so under no duress, but rather through peaceful contacts with merchants and traders; that they eagerly opted to convert to Islam for the religion's intrinsic appeal, without noting the many debilitations conquered non-Muslims avoided—extra taxes, second-rate social status, enforced humiliation, etc.—by converting to Islam. In fact, in the first century, and due to these debilitations, many conquered peoples sought to convert to Islam only to be rebuffed by the caliphate, which preferred to keep them as subdued—and heavily taxed—subjects, not as Muslim equals.
Meanwhile, as U.S. textbooks equivocate about the Muslim conquests, in the schoolrooms of the Muslim world, the conquests are not only taught as a matter of course, but are glorified: their rapidity and decisiveness are regularly portrayed as evidence that Allah was in fact on the side of the Muslims (and will be again, so long as Muslims uphold their communal duty of waging jihad).
The dissimulation of how Islam was spread in the early centuries contained in Western textbook's mirrors the way the word jihad, once inextricable to the conquests, has also been recast. Whereas the word jihad has throughout the centuries simply meant armed warfare on behalf of Islam, in recent years, American students have been taught the Sufi interpretation of jihad—Sufis make up perhaps one percent of the Islamic world and are often seen as heretics with aberrant interpretations—which portrays jihad as a "spiritual-struggle" against one's vices.
Contrast this definition of jihad with that of an early edition of the venerable Encyclopaedia of Islam. Its opening sentence simply states, "The spread of Islam by arms is a religious duty upon Muslims in general.… Jihad must continue to be done until the whole world is under the rule of Islam.… Islam must completely be made over before the doctrine of jihad [warfare to spread Islam] can be eliminated." Muslim legal manuals written in Arabic are even more explicit.
Likewise, the Islamic conquests narrated in the Muslim histories often mirror the doctrinal obligations laid out in Islam's theological texts—the Koran and Hadith. Muslim historians often justify the actions of the early Islamic invaders by juxtaposing the jihad injunctions found in Islamic scriptures.
It should also be noted that, to Muslims, the Islamic conquests are seen as acts of altruism: they are referred to as futuh, which literally means "openings"—that is, the countries conquered were "opened" for the light of Islam to enter and guide its infidel inhabitants. Thus to Muslims, there is nothing to regret or apologize for concerning the conquests; they are seen as for the good of those who were conquered (i.e., the ancestors of today's Muslims).
In closing, the fact of the Muslim conquests, by all standards of history, is indisputable. Accordingly, just as less than impressive aspects of Western and Christian history, such as the Inquisition or conquest of the Americas, are regularly taught in U.S. textbooks, so too should the Muslim conquests be taught, without apology or fear of being politically incorrect. This is especially so because it concerns history—which has a way of repeating itself when ignored, or worse, whitewashed.
Raymond Ibrahim is a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center and Associate Fellow at the Middle East Forum
 
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Lol where did you get this information?! Muslim women are treated very well! Indeed! smh
I lived 3 months in Turkey and could see that they treat women very well. And ALLAH is just a word meaning GOD (as SarahTX said).
 
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I lived 3 months in Turkey and could see that they treat women very well. And ALLAH is just a word meaning GOD (as SarahTX said).
While some Muslim background Christian believers and some ancient Christians use and/or used the word Allah in a generic sense for God. It is better as a Christian to call him God and not Allah. Allah is not triune, there is no God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. While some Muslims treat their women well, they usually are not if they are Islamist fundamentalist Muslims. In fact there are a lot of cases where in a lot of Islamic countries if a Muslim family sees a Christian family operating according to the principles of the Bible where the husband is loving the wife, the wife is loving the husband, and they are both loving Christ that Christianity becomes attractive and restores the marriage and in some cases even causes the Muslim woman who was barren, to finally give birth to a child. Please stop believing the Muslim propaganda that is fed to you through the neo-liberal mainstream media where only a select few know what Islam is and the rest have their heads in the sand like an ostrich and believe Islam to be a religion of peace. If you still believe it, read the Koran yourself. Either learn Arabic, read an English translation of it, and/or check out quran.com and your arguments will evaporate rapidly. While it is true that not all Muslims kill infidels, the reality is since the Muslim is really called to follow the way of Muhammad and not the way of God that you see groups like ISIS, Boko Haram, Al-Shabaab, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Narcina Liberation Front, Moro Islamic Liberation Front, Moro National Liberation Front, Islamic Defenders Front, Somalian pirates, etc. Just love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor (whether they are Muslim or not) as yourself and they will come to know Christ through your loving witness in their lives. Thanks. God bless.
 

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Islam is "Mystery Babylon, the Mother of all Harlots" (false religions) spoken of by John in Rev 17. Muslims are the "deceived" of 2 Thes 2. Those who follow Islam and the Beast that carries her are the ones condemned to eternal fire as stated in Rev 14.

For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one receives the promise, the other flesh. We are told to "Cast out the Bondwoman (Hagar) and her son (Ishmael) for they will not be heirs with Isaac" (Gal 4:30, Isa 54:1, Gen 21:10). So there you have it, 3 witness passages concerning the followers of Islam. It is Satan's official religion of the end times whereby he deceives 1/4 of the planet.

1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

Sadly, those who follow Islam are spoken of here. Their fate is certain unless they repent and come to Jesus which most will not do because it means certain death.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, [SUP]10 [/SUP]he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
 

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I lived 3 months in Turkey and could see that they treat women very well. And ALLAH is just a word meaning GOD (as SarahTX said).
Allah is actually Satan. Allah is not another word for our true God. Don't let anyone deceive you about this. Our God does not tell us to hate and kill our enemies. We are taught to love our enemies.

Matthew 5:44

But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.

Satan is a murderer and a liar and the father of murderers and liars. Paul wrote about ISLAM 600 years before it existed.

2 Thes 2: [SUP]9 [/SUP]The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, [SUP]12 [/SUP]that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness..

If you think ALLAH is just a word, think again.
 

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You shouldnt believe a god is the same god as the God of Abraham just because its followers tell you it is. If I told you the lamp on the table next to you is the God of Abraham, would you try to convince me that lamp is just another name for God?

If his word goes against the word of God, then no its not the same God. And the name allah has roots in paganism, it was a name used for a moon god, Allat and Allah. It is not just "Gods name in Arabic".
 

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Islam is "Mystery Babylon, the Mother of all Harlots" (false religions) spoken of by John in Rev 17. Muslims are the "deceived" of 2 Thes 2. Those who follow Islam and the Beast that carries her are the ones condemned to eternal fire as stated in Rev 14.

For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one receives the promise, the other flesh. We are told to "Cast out the Bondwoman (Hagar) and her son (Ishmael) for they will not be heirs with Isaac" (Gal 4:30, Isa 54:1, Gen 21:10). So there you have it, 3 witness passages concerning the followers of Islam. It is Satan's official religion of the end times whereby he deceives 1/4 of the planet.

1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

Sadly, those who follow Islam are spoken of here. Their fate is certain unless they repent and come to Jesus which most will not do because it means certain death.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, [SUP]10 [/SUP]he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”





Years ago right wingers used to say it was the Soviet Union and the European Union that would be the Antichrist that would bring about Armageddon. Hal Lindsey's Late Great Planet Earth used to emphasize things like that back then. Now, all of a sudden Doom's Day is being attributed to Muslims. Strange how a new generation sees things so differently from the past.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzkvXp4eihU




By the way, are you calling Jews the antichrist since they also deny that Jesus is Messiah?
 
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Years ago right wingers used to say it was the Soviet Union and the European Union that would be the Antichrist that would bring about Armageddon. Hal Lindsey's Late Great Planet Earth used to emphasize things like that back then. Now, all of a sudden Doom's Day is being attributed to Muslims. Strange how a new generation sees things so differently from the past.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzkvXp4eihU




By the way, are you calling Jews the antichrist since they also deny that Jesus is Messiah?
Hi Peacenik,
I can't see the video - don't know why.

Let me just say that I know a couple of people who are Muslim, and they believe the end is very near. They tell me that besides wanting to gain control over the population of the whole world, they are also somehow causing the end to come.

I cannot post any proof to this and it's only heresay.
It does seem to have some element of truth to it - let alone the fact that the end will come from the Middle East; this has always been prophesied.

Just a thought.

Oh. And BTW, I live in the European Union and, YES, it does feel like the antiChrist!!

Fran
 

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Years ago right wingers used to say it was the Soviet Union and the European Union that would be the Antichrist that would bring about Armageddon. Hal Lindsey's Late Great Planet Earth used to emphasize things like that back then. Now, all of a sudden Doom's Day is being attributed to Muslims. Strange how a new generation sees things so differently from the past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzkvXp4eihU


By the way, are you calling Jews the antichrist since they also deny that Jesus is Messiah?
Daniel 12:4

“But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.

Not wishing to offend but Hal Lindsey was clueless. I've been studying this stuff my whole life. Islam fits every single one of the 64 or so clues given to the Harlot and Beast (Kingdoms) which carry her.

I am NOT calling the Jews antichrist!!!
Many (not all) failed to recognize Jesus as the Messiah but I don't know any that don't believe God has a Son. Besides, those words are from the Apostle John who walked with Christ. I assume John knew what he was talking about since he had the Greatest Teacher of all time. Apparently you think otherwise?

John says that those who deny that Jesus is the Christ is a liar, not an antichrist. John said that those who deny the father and the son is "antichrist" so read it again. John said this, I merely quoted him. If you take exception to what John said, take it up with God, not me.

1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
 

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Hi Peacenik,
I can't see the video - don't know why.

Let me just say that I know a couple of people who are Muslim, and they believe the end is very near. They tell me that besides wanting to gain control over the population of the whole world, they are also somehow causing the end to come.

I cannot post any proof to this and it's only heresay.
It does seem to have some element of truth to it - let alone the fact that the end will come from the Middle East; this has always been prophesied.

Just a thought.

Oh. And BTW, I live in the European Union and, YES, it does feel like the antiChrist!!

Fran
Hi Fran,

That is exactly correct. I have traveled extensively throughout the world including the Middle East. Al-Baghdadi (the leader of ISIS) views himself as an apocalyptic figure. He is trying to usher in the Mahdi who will bring an end to the Jews and the world as we know it.

ISIS is doing everything that we are told the "Beast of the Sea" of Revelation is supposed to do. I am not saying that ISIS is the Beast of the Sea. I am simply saying that it appears Al-Baghdadi wants ISIS to become the head that appeared dead, but lives again (Rebirth of the Ottoman Empire).

BTW, A lot of people mistakenly think it will be the Roman Empire that comes back, they are wrong. The 10 horns (Kings/Leaders) on the Beast arise out of Rome, just as the Ottoman Empire did (Dan 7). The Little Horn, which many call the "AntiChrist" who is really the Man of Sin/King of the North, will be Islamic. He will unite the Muslim world (Shia and Sunni). He will demand that all Muslims follow and serve ("worship") the Beast of the Sea (Northern Islamic Army).

The only faith being practiced to the North of Israel is ISLAM. Those who try to follow other faiths (Christians for instance) are being beheaded. I too believe the end is near.
 

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You shouldnt believe a god is the same god as the God of Abraham just because its followers tell you it is. If I told you the lamp on the table next to you is the God of Abraham, would you try to convince me that lamp is just another name for God?

If his word goes against the word of God, then no its not the same God. And the name allah has roots in paganism, it was a name used for a moon god, Allat and Allah. It is not just "Gods name in Arabic".
Good for you!! Absolutely correct. Allah is Satan attempting to elevate himself above our true God. Satan's mother religion is ISLAM. He is poking his finger in God's eye right now as we see from the below.

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What do Jihadists chant??? Allahu Akbar which means "Allah (their god) is Greatest!" Compare that to this:

Acts 19:34

But when they found out that he was a Jew, all with one voice cried out for about two hours, “Great is Diana of the Ephesians!”

What was located in Ephesus? The TEMPLE OF DIANA and...wait for it... The image which fell down from Zeus!!

Acts 19:35

And when the city clerk had quieted the crowd, he said: “Men of Ephesus, what man is there who does not know that the city of the Ephesians is temple guardian of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Zeus?

What is THE IMAGE which fell down from Zeus? It is a BLACK METEOR. The same black meteor that is now the corner stone of the Kaaba (TEMPLE of ALLAH) in Mecca. It is this "Image which fell from the sky" that every Muslim faces and worships 5 times a day. That's right, the cornerstone of Islam is a black stone from the sky. Who is the cornerstone of Christianity? Christ of course. What color is our stone?

Revelation 2:17

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it.”’

What is the first of the 10 commandments?

Exo 20:
[SUP] 3 [/SUP]“You shall have no other gods before Me.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; [SUP]5 [/SUP]you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, [SUP]6 [/SUP]but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

YOU SHALL NOT BOW DOWN AND SERVE ANY LIKENESS OF ANYTHING THAT IS IN HEAVEN ABOVE WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE KAABA STONE IS. Therefore all practicing Muslims are breaking the first (and most important) commandment and rubbing God's nose in it.
 
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Places of worship that the enemy has not infiltrated are few and far between these days.

I'm pretty sure that we're looking at a one-world religion hidden in plain sight, to be honest.
 
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