Diseases: Are they punishments from God?

[blue_ladybug]

Well when for example a demon of cancer has a right to be there because that person is eating McDonalds all day every day then God cant just go past the ''insider contracts'' that exist. And you see that in Revelation its pretty clear that theres gonna be famine and all , which is his will, and it wouldnt make a lotta sense if we all couldnt get sick. Sadly bacteria and all does still exist and theres so much that in my opinon gives rights so he cannot keep us protected from illness ..just no way it can be done. I doubt that everyone can from one sec. to another turn into Elijah or Jesus

Well, I had cancer and I eat very well. And I really hate when people say "a demon of" whatever illness. I don't have demons in me, so I'm not possessed. I believe God allowed me to get cancer, to alleviate the heavy, unbearable periods that I barely endured each month..

 

[Demi777]

Well, I had cancer and I eat very well. And I really hate when people say "a demon of" whatever illness. I don't have demons in me, so I'm not possessed. I believe God allowed me to get cancer, to alleviate the heavy, unbearable periods that I barely endured each month..

Possesion is rare. Posession has something to do with ownership. A christian can never be Owned by the enemy in any way but we can have demonised areas in our life. Im sorry If I offended you. im outta here then. Have a nice day

 

[B1Davanda]

Yes but if God were to heal us completely, in a one-shot deal so that we never get sick anymore, then why doesn't he? Isn't it kind of a hassle to him AND us, having to heal people a million times over?

In a sense, we're all dying of our last disease
And because sin entered the world, and death came by sin,
so far the ratio of birth to death is pretty much 1 to 1.

Maybe not Elijah, or is it Elisha, (hey, it's a weekend and my brains
not in cchat mode, just taking a moment between sausage grillers,)
but even though Jesus brought Lazarus back to life after four days,
and the body stinketh (kjv, lol), he still died again, presumably, however, as christians, Jesus says though we were dead yet shall we live...and whosoever lives and believes in Him shall never die, (we've been given the gift of eternal life).

I say all this just to show I have no idea what I'm talking about, but
seriously, I often think if I was God...and I had the power to instantly heal everybody, (most everybody?),
I would...but then sometimes I walk into another room and immediately forget what I went there for, so I have to just trust the Lord that He knows a little more about these things, and has reasons for doing what He does.

I guess the difference is, as believers, we know the Lord, and we know He can be trusted, and we know that the day is coming when there's no more pain, sickness, tears, etc., and yet there are many ppl who go through the same things, but with no hope beyond the grave, and no understanding for why there is pain and suffering in the world to begin with.

Meanwhile, we can pray for each other and ask the Lord how we can find meaning and purpose in our individual situations, and trust Him when we can't clearly see the answers, and hopefully how we handle it, by the grace of God will be a testimony for others to be drawn to Jesus and bring Him glory, and meanwhile do the best to be of good cheer because He has overcome the world, and rejoice because our names are written in heaven.
God bless you, blb.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Well when for example a demon of cancer has a right to be there because that person is eating McDonalds all day every day then God cant just go past the ''insider contracts'' that exist. And you see that in Revelation its pretty clear that theres gonna be famine and all , which is his will, and it wouldnt make a lotta sense if we all couldnt get sick. Sadly bacteria and all does still exist and theres so much that in my opinon gives rights so he cannot keep us protected from illness ..just no way it can be done. I doubt that everyone can from one sec. to another turn into Elijah or Jesus

Although he was talking to believers,I believe John was Inspired by the Spirit of GOD when he wrote:
3rd John 1:2
King James Version(KJV)

2.)Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Many say that they believe It was Gods will that they get sick,but If that were true,why are you fighting against what you perceive to be GOD's will?

In other words,If you get sick and you believe It Is GODs will for you to be sick then you should not go to see a doctor,take medicine,exercise,or anything because Its GODs will for you to be sick,right?

 

[B1Davanda]

Many say that they believe It was Gods will that they get sick,but If that were true,why are you fighting against what you perceive to be GOD's will?

In other words,If you get sick and you believe It Is GODs will for you to be sick then you should not go to see a doctor,take medicine,exercise,or anything because Its GODs will for you to be sick,right?

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God has a causal will, and a permissive will.
Just because He allows something,
doesn't mean He purposefully causes it.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

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God has a causal will, and a permissive will.
Just because He allows something,
doesn't mean He purposefully causes it.

You say Its silly,Indirectly but why would John Inspired by GOD say,I wish above all else that you prosper and be In good health even as your soul prospers?

Please don't answer with deflection but answer the question directly.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

BTW In Post 23 you said you didn't know what you were talking about.

 

[B1Davanda]

You say Its silly,Indirectly but why would John Inspired by GOD say,I wish above all else that you prosper and be In good health even as your soul prospers?

Please don't answer with deflection but answer the question directly.

For the same reason most decent ppl wish 'the best' for our loved ones...good health, financial prosperity, stability, etc.
Of course we wish that for others and so did John.

Not acknowledging the difference between God's causal and permissive will is kinda silly. Also.....

You didn't seem to get that what's silly is you recommending that ppl don't go to the doctor or take medicine...that's silly. And reckless.

 

[B1Davanda]

BTW In Post 23 you said you didn't know what you were talking about.

I know what I said.
blue_ladybug is my friend and she gets my humor.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

For the same reason most decent ppl wish 'the best' for our loved ones...good health, financial prosperity, stability, etc.
Of course we wish that for others and so did John.

Not acknowledging the difference between God's causal and permissive will is kinda silly. Also.....

You didn't seem to get that what's silly is you recommending that ppl don't go to the doctor or take medicine...that's silly. And reckless.

When you say causal,can you help me understand better,by giving me an example of causal?

 

[B1Davanda]

When you say causal,can you help me understand better,by giving me an example of causal?

When God causes something to happen.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

When God causes something to happen.

Does GOD cause sickness under grace or Is sickness a result of the fall?

BTW that might be a topic for discussion.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hey everyone, hello! I've been asked this question and would love to hear your views on it! Please leave a post on your opinion of whether its god's punishment upon us or not! Thanks and have a great day!

Hello Blu_ladybug,

Below is what scripture has to say regarding this issue, but this had to do with not discerning the blood and the body of the Lord. As they met together they were eating and drinking for purposes other than for the sole purpose of performing this in remembrance of Lord. And because of this Paul states that some of them had grown weak and become sick and even died. But it was not so much as punishment as it was discipline so that they would not be finally condemned with world. Otherwise: By His wounds you were healed.


"So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world."

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

Hey everyone, hello! I've been asked this question and would love to hear your views on it! Please leave a post on your opinion of whether its god's punishment upon us or not! Thanks and have a great day!

No, We have been forgiven when Jesus died. If we ask for forgiveness and we confess we are forgiven. The people who do this also get disease struck. The thought that it is a punishment goes more with the beliefs of Judiasm then with Christianity. Our only "punishment" as Christians is not being saved or born again and going to eternal hell. The thought that earthly punishments are put in place are things that you would find in Judaism.

 

[B1Davanda]

Does GOD cause sickness under grace or Is sickness a result of the fall?

BTW that might be a topic for discussion.

Not really a hard and fast 'either or'. There are many variables involved with different circumstances, so there is no 'one answer fits all, either or'.....
But do you understand that God has a permissive and a causal will, and that there is a difference?
Also, do you acknowledge your recklessness of recommending the idea that ppl should not go to the doctor or take medicine?

 

[TemporaryCircumstances]

Well when for example a demon of cancer has a right to be there because that person is eating McDonalds all day every day then God cant just go past the ''insider contracts'' that exist. And you see that in Revelation its pretty clear that theres gonna be famine and all , which is his will, and it wouldnt make a lotta sense if we all couldnt get sick. Sadly bacteria and all does still exist and theres so much that in my opinon gives rights so he cannot keep us protected from illness ..just no way it can be done. I doubt that everyone can from one sec. to another turn into Elijah or Jesus

Are you implying that people with cancer deserve to have cancer because they don't eat well? I had cancer and I ate very healthy. Still do. I have always taken my health seriously...

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Not really a hard and fast 'either or'. There are many variables involved with different circumstances, so there is no 'one answer fits all, either or'.....
But do you understand that God has a permissive and a causal will, and that there is a difference?
Also, do you acknowledge your recklessness of recommending the idea that ppl should not go to the doctor or take medicine?

when I asked you about give me an example of what you mean by causal,I meant "does GOD cause sickness?"

I don't recommend that type thinking but If a person DID think It was GOD's will that they be sick, then they should read that post#25 so that they can understand why there would be something wrong about that kind of thinking.