Seducing spirits and doctrines of devils
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Hi Popeye! It was a major blessing when I learned that we do not move in and out of the light. I Didn't ever question the interpretation until only recently. How can we be children of darkness when we are children of the day? We can't be both. And if the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin only if we walk in the light, then why do we need to be cleansed since we are in the light when we get cleansed? But that is for another thread. It's a wonderful discovery to know that we are always of the day and never of the night now that we are sons. All because of Jesus.
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The Holy Spirit is the Author of the Bible. "Men spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (spake is how I remember it in the KJV) The Bible was not authored by men. Paul and Peter wrote what the Author instructed as they were moved by Him. They do not preach another Gospel nor do they contradict one another as God will not contradict Himself. 2 Peter 1:21
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
But Grace777x70 obviously does believe that Jesus and Peter/Paul do contradict each other because Jesus said to forgive to be forgiven, whereas he believes that Peter/Paul do not say that is necessary. Therefore, he has to give his interpretation of Peter/Pauls' writings preeminence over the plain words of Jesus, which he does by discarding Jesus' words by relegating them to the old covenant.
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We believers are responsible to "handle" the word of God wisely. To rightly divide it. We are called to do this and what was just outlined to you by Grace777 is how it's done. It takes faith in what the Holy Spirit says as He moves in our hearts. There is an understanding that causes us to see the contrasting verses and causes us to study and see that the Bible never contradicts but "illuminates" the believer to understand. (illuminates is not my word)
The beginning of the understanding is believing in the Love of God IN Christ. Seeing everything through the Cross (seeing Jesus) as we read. It's not ludicrous, it's the way God does it. Old covenant and new covenant. Can't mix law and grace. Must rightly divide them.
What you're referring to is no mystery to me. It's the dispensationalism of Free Grace theology that "right divides" the gospel of Christ into two gospels: one for the Jews under law in the old covenant (gospel of the kingdom) and one for the gentiles under the new covenant (gospel of grace). Heresy is all that is.
because, you say that good works must done to maintain salvation. obedience comes FROM being saved, not CAUSES salvation.
as my pastor says, stop getting up everyday and looking up at God and asking " are we good? are we good? ". trust God that he is good, and go out and DO the good that He prepared for you to do.
try that attitude sometimes.
as my pastor says, stop getting up everyday and looking up at God and asking " are we good? are we good? ". trust God that he is good, and go out and DO the good that He prepared for you to do.
try that attitude sometimes.
I will say, I havent really read much of Augustine myself save bits and pieces of what others who might have read him share online.
But I am not sure what your post has to do with playfully adding a Barney video though unless you are all for it, in that case I would say, cool, Barney it is.
I'm actually kidding, I can only take so much syrupy sweet fakery
And the scriptures do show the different perceptions of various people listening in, and especially of that which persecutes Christ, or those in Christ, and lays in wait, travels in packs consulting together against both persons and the truth.
But as an observer I dont see the OP mirroring that kind behavior.
The scriptures bless me no matter what the topic, and I dont feel this death or judgment or condemnation coming through them at me as another seems to imply they are picking up. If you are in Christ why would you feel condemned by a topic on seducing spirits as the scriptures present them in various places? The same are spoken of throughout the scripture as by Christ, Paul and John. The harder topics seem to be an issue. I believe InSpirit just seems to bring in more to look at concerning these while there may be some others who seem to work harder at concealing them, holding them down or cutting them out. The only thing that comes to mind is that perhaps he fustrates that particular effort on their part? Maybe or maybe not, it might depend on who is (at the time) seeing this board has people of various protestant sects but that seems far more evident (to me) most of the time. Maybe its just certain of them who dont like these hard places discussed. But the apostles wrote of the things and this part of CC is for bible discussion part and less for the gift of gabbing about everything else under the sun.
I do not see the problem with his posting on the things he has studied and is sharing.
Thats all I have to say, God bless you
But I am not sure what your post has to do with playfully adding a Barney video though unless you are all for it, in that case I would say, cool, Barney it is.
I'm actually kidding, I can only take so much syrupy sweet fakery
And the scriptures do show the different perceptions of various people listening in, and especially of that which persecutes Christ, or those in Christ, and lays in wait, travels in packs consulting together against both persons and the truth.
But as an observer I dont see the OP mirroring that kind behavior.
The scriptures bless me no matter what the topic, and I dont feel this death or judgment or condemnation coming through them at me as another seems to imply they are picking up. If you are in Christ why would you feel condemned by a topic on seducing spirits as the scriptures present them in various places? The same are spoken of throughout the scripture as by Christ, Paul and John. The harder topics seem to be an issue. I believe InSpirit just seems to bring in more to look at concerning these while there may be some others who seem to work harder at concealing them, holding them down or cutting them out. The only thing that comes to mind is that perhaps he fustrates that particular effort on their part? Maybe or maybe not, it might depend on who is (at the time) seeing this board has people of various protestant sects but that seems far more evident (to me) most of the time. Maybe its just certain of them who dont like these hard places discussed. But the apostles wrote of the things and this part of CC is for bible discussion part and less for the gift of gabbing about everything else under the sun.
I do not see the problem with his posting on the things he has studied and is sharing.
Thats all I have to say, God bless you
Grace reigns through faith, but a disobedient and unfaithful faith is no faith at all. And if we are saved by grace through faith, what happens if one turns back and falls away from the faith? The warnings are many and very clear, but many deny the testimony of the Spirit in order to cling to the doctrines of men and of devils, and in doing so they also deny the Truth and faith of Jesus Christ.
Psalm 78:56-60 "Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies:[SUP]57 [/SUP]But turned back, and dealt unfaithfully like their fathers: they were turned aside like a deceitful bow."
God's grace also reigns through righteousness, so if one is living in sin God's Grace is not reigning in their lives.
Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Your obedience to the faith according to the words of God proves you are a servant of righteousness, and not a servant of sin which leads to death.
Your own words and actions prove whom you serve.
Psalm 78:56-60 "Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies:[SUP]57 [/SUP]But turned back, and dealt unfaithfully like their fathers: they were turned aside like a deceitful bow."
God's grace also reigns through righteousness, so if one is living in sin God's Grace is not reigning in their lives.
Romans 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Your obedience to the faith according to the words of God proves you are a servant of righteousness, and not a servant of sin which leads to death.
Your own words and actions prove whom you serve.
Many of us on here have tried to show you the true gospel of the grace of Christ over 100x times so I sadly have to agree with you that it seems to be pointless.
At least the gospel is being preached to the viewers to see all the scriptures being used to show the beauty of our Lord's finished work for us and that we have the forgiveness of sins in Him.
But here are some posts to show what has been said in this thread compete with scriptures
post # 142..#146...#148...#163...#196...#204...#206......#209...#211...#214...#219...#221.....#224...#229...#232...#239...#240...
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...g-spirits-doctrines-devils-8.html#post2639584
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Not at all. He knows the Bible does not contradict itself especially in the matter of redemption it is very clear. If there is what seems to be a contradiction, it is only because we have not rightly divided it yet.
Rule of thumb is to know God's word will never contradict and to hold to that. Grace777 is clearly trying to show you that there are covenants and each one has a condition. If you mix them and try to follow old covenant while you are in the new covenant you will not understand a clear teaching in the Bible for the Christian today. You keep denying there is a difference in the conditions of these covenants.
The covenant of law told man what was required of him to be right with God. The new covenant of grace shows us what God did so that man could be right with God. Go from there.
Well let's make sure that we don't forget that you made this claim, and cannot scripturally support it. Therefore, it is only your opinion (best case).
There's absolutely nothing in the law that says forgiveness was dependent upon forgiving others (like it is in the new covenant). I know because I've studied it.
There's absolutely nothing in the law that says forgiveness was dependent upon forgiving others (like it is in the new covenant). I know because I've studied it.
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Not heresy HRFTD, it is Bible. There is only one Gospel. There are different covenant requirements. Until you come around to this fact, you will not understand salvation. It takes the Holy Spirit to understand grace. To actually trust in the fact that God loves you enough to do all that is needed in order for you to be saved from your sin.
This is a major leap of faith that all believers have taken. Letting go of your own ability and grasping a hold of Jesus. It is not Jesus saves with a bit of help from me. Jesus saves 100% and then goes with us all the way. He is not only the Author but the Finisher of our faith. It is amazing how it all works out clearly in Scripture. He begins it and He ends it. He is the Alpha and the Omega., the beginning and the end. In all matters.
Not heresy HRFTD, it is Bible. There is only one Gospel. There are different covenant requirements. Until you come around to this fact, you will not understand salvation. It takes the Holy Spirit to understand grace. To actually trust in the fact that God loves you enough to do all that is needed in order for you to be saved from your sin.
This is a major leap of faith that all believers have taken. Letting go of your own ability and grasping a hold of Jesus. It is not Jesus saves with a bit of help from me. Jesus saves 100% and then goes with us all the way. He is not only the Author but the Finisher of our faith. It is amazing how it all works out clearly in Scripture. He begins it and He ends it. He is the Alpha and the Omega., the beginning and the end. In all matters.
Does it really matter what someone's motivation is for being obedient? GOD is well pleased when we don't sin. Period. People do the boss' will because they don't want to lose their job, not to get the job (be saved). They already have a job and don't want to lose it, so they obey the boss. Pretty simple concept.
btw, the chief fruit inspector taught his disciples to be fruit checkers - by their fruits ye shall know them - so there's nothing wrong with that.
btw, the chief fruit inspector taught his disciples to be fruit checkers - by their fruits ye shall know them - so there's nothing wrong with that.
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The obedience of faith is "believing" and "trusting" in the finished work of Jesus for every part of our salvation. From beginning to end. Jesus is made our redemption and our sanctification and justification.
1 Cor.1:30
[SUP]30 [/SUP]But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
The fruits of the spirit are not called the fruits of the flesh are they? Think about that for a moment.
1 Cor.1:30
[SUP]30 [/SUP]But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
The fruits of the spirit are not called the fruits of the flesh are they? Think about that for a moment.