In response to InSpiritInTruth:
many will depart from the faith, and many have departed from the faith.
Those who depart from the faith are those who deny that Jesus is Lord, and that God raised him from the dead.
Both you and Grace777x70 have not departed from the faith, because you both proclaim that Jesus is Lord and Savior. And you both believe that God raised him from the dead.
You have a position which states obedience to the Torah is evidence of salvation, while Grace777x70 believes that love for one another is evidence of salvation. You keep the Torah to the best of your ability as an expression of faith to our Lord, while Grace777x70 attempts to love perfectly as Jesus loved as an expression of faith to our Lord. You do so by the Holy Spirit and Grace777x70 also does so by the Holy Spirit. The contention arises when you want to make Grace777x70 belief as you believe and He wants to convince you to believe as he believes.
What you both must understand is God has saved you both despite your disagreements. Just as he has saved all those who have called on the name of Jesus Christ. You fail in your attempt to follow the Torah and Grace777x70 fails to love perfectly, and we all fail in some way or another, but God forgives us because he loves us and our intercessor is Jesus Christ. If God is for us who can be against us?
Just a thought given in love. Peace be with all who call Jesus Lord.
many will depart from the faith, and many have departed from the faith.
Those who depart from the faith are those who deny that Jesus is Lord, and that God raised him from the dead.
Both you and Grace777x70 have not departed from the faith, because you both proclaim that Jesus is Lord and Savior. And you both believe that God raised him from the dead.
You have a position which states obedience to the Torah is evidence of salvation, while Grace777x70 believes that love for one another is evidence of salvation. You keep the Torah to the best of your ability as an expression of faith to our Lord, while Grace777x70 attempts to love perfectly as Jesus loved as an expression of faith to our Lord. You do so by the Holy Spirit and Grace777x70 also does so by the Holy Spirit. The contention arises when you want to make Grace777x70 belief as you believe and He wants to convince you to believe as he believes.
What you both must understand is God has saved you both despite your disagreements. Just as he has saved all those who have called on the name of Jesus Christ. You fail in your attempt to follow the Torah and Grace777x70 fails to love perfectly, and we all fail in some way or another, but God forgives us because he loves us and our intercessor is Jesus Christ. If God is for us who can be against us?
Just a thought given in love. Peace be with all who call Jesus Lord.
ISIT does not believe in the security of the believer and therefore one has to "maintain" their salvation by their works and this is just anti-gospel. So, I give out the scriptures for the viewers that do not post in threads and let the Holy Spirit bring the truth of the 2 opposing sides of these thoughts to them.
I trust the Holy Spirit will guide all of us as we walk in the wondrous salvation our Lord bought for us with His blood.