have you ever read the books of enoch? or have you just read what is said about it by the conrending factions pretending authority? look.
I'm saying, read the book lol there is no argument it was written before the birth of Christ. scientifically or historically. forget what religion has labeled things, religion is corrupt badly. heres my point to anyone who actually has an open mind to Gods spirit. the first book of enoch chapter 48
" 1. In that place I beheld a fountain of righteousness, which never failed, encircled by many springs of wisdom. Of these all the thirsty drank, and were filled with wisdom, having their habitation with the righteous, the elect, and the holy.
2. In that hour was this Son of man invoked before the Lord of spirits, and his name in the presence of the Ancient of days.
3. Before the sun and the signs were created, before the stars of heaven were formed, his name was invoked in the presence of the Lord of spirits. A support shall he be for the righteous and the holy to lean upon, without falling; and he shall be the light of nations.
4. He shall be the hope of those whose hearts are troubled. All, who dwell on earth, shall fall down and worship before him; shall bless and glorify him, and sing praises to the name of the Lord of spirits.
5. Therefore the Elect and the Concealed One existed in his presence, before the world was created, and for ever.
6. In his presence he existed, and has revealed to the saints and to the righteous the wisdom of the Lord of spirits; for he has preserved the lot of the righteous, because they have hated and rejected this world of iniquity, and have detested all its works and ways, in the name of the Lord of spirits.
7. For in his name shall they be preserved; and his will shall be their life. In those days shall the kings of the earth and the mighty men, who have gained the world by their achievements, 1 become humble in countenance.
8. For in the day of their anxiety and trouble their souls shall not be saved; and they shall be in subjection to those whom I have chosen.
9. I will cast them like hay into the fire, and like lead into the water. Thus shall they burn in the presence of the righteous, and sink in the presence of the holy; nor shall a tenth part of them be found.
10. But in the day of their trouble, the world shall obtain tranquillity.
11. In his presence shall they fall, and not be raised up again; nor shall there be any one to take them out of his hands, and to lift them up: for they have denied the Lord of spirits, and his Messiah. The name of the Lord of spirits shall be blessed.
AT LEAST, 250 years before Christs birth. compare this with what the bible says about Jesus. I'm becoming more and more conviced daily that there are no errors whatsoever in the books of Enoch. I know the Bible well. front to Back, trust Gods spirit for discernment. tell me the above scriptures from enoch, along with pauls references continually in thessolonicans, peters references to the text of the books, judes statement that ENOCH PROPHESIED these things. and then quoted the text itself. it is inspired for certain. and supports the truth of The Bible in every way. How bout considering the angel who arrives late in revelation holding the little scroll? how about the man of lawlwessness, the great falling away ect that paul always references? beyond any logical doubt the new testament writers all had good understanding of Enochs writings, anyone who would study them a little can see it.
paul, peter, jude, james also. every one of them, and most importantly this thought : Jesus teachings about the poor, about keeping the commandments and remaining in Gods Love so many things he says are written in enochs books long before Jesus was born. following what the internet says of things isn't always the best way of learning things, or trusting the catholic churches authority of what belongs or doesn't belong in the bible. and think why was it lost? yeah oh that's right, Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad. so yeah probably read Ezekiel about the zadokite priests preserving things because they were the only ones allowed in Gods presence by then, being from what line? also think it through Enoch was noahs grandfather, so I wonder if noah would have preserved His granpas writings? Bieng the one who didn't Die? wich is also accounted in the books of enoch. and honestly, you have no possible way of the statement that Enoch wasn't the author. Not even possible to claim that as truth.
I didn't mean this to be a big issue, common sense to me is to first read text thoroughly and then decide whether its valuable or worthy of rejection. if someone Knows scripture from the Bible well at all, they will find vast amounts of good and perfect knowledge in enoch. the chapter 48 writing is only a sample that is perfectly in Line with Jesus, with all the prophets and apostolic writings in the new testament. label it gnostic...yeah okay its from the 2nd temple period. but understand these texts all of them were passed on and copied through time. the oldest copy known of enoch was one of four found in the caves along the dead sea. the same caves psalms was located in. but realize hahaha the destruction of Jerusalem happened 70 ad, and if jude quotes the text directly and says enoch prophesied....that is biblical proof that its inspired of God. prophets are inspired of God. Son of Man wasn't only what Jesus called Himself remember? old testament prophets??? Son of man, say this to them....
everything isn't in the Bible. that's exactly like pauls writings, people assume he established churches with them. No. He sent letters, for rebuke and encouragement to churches already established. Som that He helped establish. yet, do you suppose every writing of paul is preserved? every writing of peter? all cannonozed? no one needs to know the book of enoch for salvation. But it is absolutely inspired by God , regardless if it is in the Bible. Id say enoch and also noah wrote the books as it claims. But again, that's something the reader would have to look into and decide. I know its accurate and before much of what we read in the bible, doesn't one time disagree ( that I have yet read) with the Bible. vast amounts of Knowledge in there, that helps to understand things though, that I'm positive of. you too haha good day.[/in Quote]
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Again you assumed that I have not open it up and took time to read it. There is to something known as the harmony of Scriptures. There is a reason why the 66 Books fit as one because the Author was God. Secondly you to assume one received the opinion about Enoch from " following the internet". And you suggest that just because you have read the bible and studied it and following the Spirit for discernment others are not?.
there are people more gifted then I and you who have drawn the same conclusion. There is a reason why those books have not been added to the Bible for canonization.
the obvious and common sense as i see it are well seen.
in addition I would say:
there are things with this book that bring concern : the book of Enoch cannot with out a shadow of doubt said to be the actual writings of Enoch himself. You state you "wonder if Noah would have preserved His Granpas writing"? That is not even known and cannot be proven. And you have no possible way of saying it is Enoch who wrote it.
But what we do know is one should not look at the book of Enoch to give relevance to the Words of our Lord Jesus Christ when we have the writings of Eyes Witnesses and The Word of Jesus Himself provided through the Holy Spirit in the Apostles and other eyewitnesses. Jesus said the Temple would Be destroyed in Matt 24:1-2 can the book be beneficial ? yes. is it authoritative? no, . And that not from the Internet LOL Thats Christian systmatic Theology 101.
