Why Joseph Prince is a Cancerous Growth within God's People

[Stephen63]

Stephen63,

Please explain what you mean is "mixing and cover-up of the Gospel?"

Thanks

Gladly..... actually a mixing &/or cover-up of the Gospel & true doctrine.

1. Somebody starts a thread on a good doctrine, or in this case, an expose' of a false doctrine, such as this one.
2. Some members begin a smear campaign to belittle/destroy the reputation of the Op by accusing them of judging/slamming/destroying the false teacher. They post like a "good guy" saying nice things about the false teacher & crying "foul" to the exposer, attempting to portray the exposer as the real false teacher. This accomplishes the folowing:
a. Discredits the exposer & at least causes the reader to not believe him/her.
b. Gets the readers to believe the false doctrine/teacher, for most readers suppose the majority is right. This usually works.
3. A third group of posters come in the thread saying they don't like the thread & won't make personal comments on either side. That's only a half truth, for their intent from the beginning is to make personal comments about both sides for a different purpose..... to mix up, or blend/brand both sides as arguing troublemakers, & judging the entire BDF as a place of spiritual trouble, not worth reading & judging their posters all generally an ungodly sort. Now, this one works the best to discredit true doctrine, for it convinces the readers to think the whole BDF is a mess, running the readers off while covering up the true doctrine by making ALL posters unbelievable.

4. Here's one group many don't discern..... a small group supposedly on the side of the truth, arguing with the false posters, with the intention of making both sides look like fools. This group is the sneakiest of all, for they convinse the true posters they're on their side while tempting them to get into a full-blown argument, destroying their christian influence. And it works like a charm.

You see, it's a systematic ploy to stop the spreading of the truth. Since this site IS the biggest christian chat site in the world, it's only common sense that Satan would infiltrate it just like he's already infiltrating other important religious places..... like seminaries, major offices of mainstream denominations, religious TV stations, radio, etc.

IF you were gonna destroy christian religion, wouldn't you take over top places that do the best job of spreading the Gospel & training christians?

One only needs to read these arguing threads, watching for these groups, & they will all be there, doing the same thing over & over until you'll think you're watching reruns. The pattern is obvious to those watching for it.

Matthew 24:42 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 24:43 (KJV)
[SUP]43 [/SUP]But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 25:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 26:38 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
[HR][/HR]Matthew 26:41 (KJV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
[HR][/HR]Mark 13:33 (KJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
[HR][/HR]Mark 13:35 (KJV)
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
[HR][/HR]Mark 13:37 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
[HR][/HR]Luke 12:37 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
[HR][/HR]Luke 12:38 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
[HR][/HR]Luke 12:39 (KJV)
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
[HR][/HR]Luke 21:36 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
[HR][/HR]Acts 20:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
[HR][/HR]1 Corinthians 16:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.
[HR][/HR]Ephesians 6:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
[HR][/HR]Colossians 4:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;
[HR][/HR]1 Thessalonians 5:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
[HR][/HR]2 Timothy 4:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
[HR][/HR]Hebrews 13:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
[HR][/HR]1 Peter 4:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Watching is just as important as prayer..... if you don't know what to watch for, you certainly won't know what to pray for.

 

[PeterJens]

I rest my case.. Who teaches this to non believers?

Now I am dealing here with blind followers, people who do not understand the difference between who they actually are and the illusion in their heads which says they are safe and ok.

The real story is always what people are not saying and what they are actually doing.
The mafia always say they look after their own, and run legitimate businesses. But cross the interests of any group, you are dead, be able to snatch power from them, they are dead.

Religion can be run exactly the same way. The business is the wallets of the givers. Keep them happy, encourage them and keep them reassured in what they are doing, win them over to the greater good of the group.
You are really gods, you will get the best dreams life can give you, you will enter the kingdom and rule.

But Jesus said love is your God, love is your King, you are to serve the needs of others, reach and help, show support to the weak, the oppressed, the down trodden, and those in power will hate you, persecute you and revile you. You are not of this world but of heaven, store up your treasure there, where it will not rust of go away.

I do not expect those who oppose me to agree with me, because I doubt they know what I am saying.
Being with Jesus changes your perspective. If His words sing in your heart you know Him.

One preacher wrote they had to tell themselves Jesus loved them for a whole year before they believed it.
This is very odd, because the cross tells a christian on day one, He loves them. Things are definately not what they appear in this world of reinterpreting the gospel and simple God given concepts about sin and repentance.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now I am dealing here with blind followers, people who do not understand the difference between who they actually are and the illusion in their heads which says they are safe and ok.

You just attacked people.

The real story is always what people are not saying and what they are actually doing.
The mafia always say they look after their own, and run legitimate businesses. But cross the interests of any group, you are dead, be able to snatch power from them, they are dead.

Religion can be run exactly the same way. The business is the wallets of the givers. Keep them happy, encourage them and keep them reassured in what they are doing, win them over to the greater good of the group.
You are really gods, you will get the best dreams life can give you, you will enter the kingdom and rule.

But Jesus said love is your God, love is your King, you are to serve the needs of others, reach and help, show support to the weak, the oppressed, the down trodden, and those in power will hate you, persecute you and revile you. You are not of this world but of heaven, store up your treasure there, where it will not rust of go away.

I do not expect those who oppose me to agree with me, because I doubt they know what I am saying.
Being with Jesus changes your perspective. If His words sing in your heart you know Him.

One preacher wrote they had to tell themselves Jesus loved them for a whole year before they believed it.
This is very odd, because the cross tells a christian on day one, He loves them. Things are definately not what they appear in this world of reinterpreting the gospel and simple God given concepts about sin and repentance.

This is non responsive to my question, and just more attack.

I asked you to show someone who taught what you claimed in the street to non believers. And your response was an attack against others.

Do you actually have an answer?

You make alot of attacks. but you never seem to want to back up your claims..

 

[Depleted]

This should scare us more than the op itself. especially the author of the OP.

For someone who put me on ignore and told me to ignore you, you sure do babble a lot about me. (Just picked one post from you, and, sure enough, it's babbling about me. Go figure. Surely you babble about others too.)

Question. If you are eternally grateful than why do you spend all your time grumbling about others? Not some of your time, since I get grumbling sometimes. ALL of your time! That's it for you. All you ever do is grumble about anyone who doesn't think exactly like you. Personally? I don't think the "eternally" lasted. I never knew you back in the days when you were being even kinda grateful.

So, okay, back on ignore. Just thought I'd give you enough rope to grumble about me on and on, if for no other reason than to give you less time to grumble about everyone and their pet dog. You are ignored, if for no other reason, then you give off this always-discontent vibe. Seems the opposite of "eternally grateful." Maybe I annoy you enough to at least think that one out and consider not doing that.

 

[Depleted]

That was completely disparaging to say that those of us who hold to grace-only have made it our "God". As if we somehow worship grace. We take it for what it truly is; unmerited favor from God.

And please don't give me some spiel about that's not what you meant, or that I've twisted what you wrote. Your increasingly bitter tirades and mockery are absolutely shameful.

No one agrees with everything Prince says. No preacher is perfect. But what Prince teaches about grace is spot-on, and until you can disprove what he teaches about grace from scripture, you are doing little but spinning in circles.

No spiel needed. It is what I meant! I didn't know who thinks grace-only is their religion, but, yeah, it is their god. If you are Grace-only, than yeah, Grace is your god. If that's disparaging? Well, there you go. Personally, I'm not offended by people telling me "The God of the Bible is your God" because, yeah? He is. And?

As for spinning in circles. Apparently you haven't caught on. You keep asking me to join you in circling around to say the same thing I've already said. I simply haven't accepted the invitation. Thus you spin. I'm just

Nice doughnuts you got there though.

 

[Depleted]

Acts 20:24

In context: (since that's right smack in the middle of a speech):
Acts 20:17 Now from Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called the elders of the church to come to him.18 And when they came to him, he said to them:“You yourselves know how I lived among you the whole time from the first day that I set foot in Asia, 19 serving the Lord with all humility and with tears and with trials that happened to me through the plots of the Jews; 20 how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house,21 testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. 22 And now, behold, I am going to Jerusalem, constrained by the Spirit, not knowing what will happen to me there, 23 except that the Holy Spirit testifies to me in every city that imprisonment and afflictions await me. 24 But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God. 25 And now, behold, I know that none of you among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom will see my face again. 26 Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all, 27 for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God. 28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. 29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears. 32 And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give youthe inheritance among all those who are sanctified. 33 I coveted no one's silver or gold or apparel. 34 You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my necessities and to those who were with me. 35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”
36 And when he had said these things, he knelt down and prayed with them all. 37 And there was much weeping on the part of all; they embraced Paul and kissed him, 38 being sorrowful most of all because of the word he had spoken, that they would not see his face again. And they accompanied him to the ship.

I like that "whole counsel of God" part, instead of the partial thing happening with Grace-only.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For someone who put me on ignore and told me to ignore you, you sure do babble a lot about me. (Just picked one post from you, and, sure enough, it's babbling about me. Go figure. Surely you babble about others too.)

Question. If you are eternally grateful than why do you spend all your time grumbling about others? Not some of your time, since I get grumbling sometimes. ALL of your time! That's it for you. All you ever do is grumble about anyone who doesn't think exactly like you. Personally? I don't think the "eternally" lasted. I never knew you back in the days when you were being even kinda grateful.

lol. Your whole op is a grumble, ramble and complaint about someone who is not even here to defend his or herself. and based on false assumptions, and attacks on a person and not his own words themselves.

and you complain about me complaining about your rambling.

I think that says it all.

So, okay, back on ignore. Just thought I'd give you enough rope to grumble about me on and on, if for no other reason than to give you less time to grumble about everyone and their pet dog. You are ignored, if for no other reason, then you give off this always-discontent vibe. Seems the opposite of "eternally grateful." Maybe I annoy you enough to at least think that one out and consider not doing that.

Not even worth responding to.. Just further proof of what I have said and many others have said..

Thanks..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No spiel needed. It is what I meant! I didn't know who thinks grace-only is their religion, but, yeah, it is their god. If you are Grace-only, than yeah, Grace is your god. If that's disparaging? Well, there you go. Personally, I'm not offended by people telling me "The God of the Bible is your God" because, yeah? He is. And?

As for spinning in circles. Apparently you haven't caught on. You keep asking me to join you in circling around to say the same thing I've already said. I simply haven't accepted the invitation. Thus you spin. I'm just

Nice doughnuts you got there though.

and this is aloud in CC for what reason? All this was was a personal attack against people.

 

[Jimbone]

Oh, as for outside source. I'm not against them, but if I'm using it, I stand by it. Did you even read it? Because that's not a double standard. You're comparing my standard to Grace's -- apples and spacecrafts.

You know what I find the most telling about these threads? Is that so many of one side with swarm on you and shame you for judging Prince, and talk about how divisive you are and how horrible you are for judging, yet they seem to have NO problem AT ALL judging you for it. Where is all there acceptance, GRACE, and turning the other cheek towards your view. It reminds me SO much of the LGBT stance, "you WILL accept my view, and not discriminate against me, but you BETTER NOT hold your own view, and I'll die before I stop fighting to abolish it". It's just so very hypocritical on it's face.

Another interesting thing I've noticed is the site scripture like,

22You will be hated by everyone on account of My name, but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved., and John 15:18-19 18 If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first.19 If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you ,because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

To apply towards you, but it only seems to be Christians that call out these teachings. The "world" is just find with them, and easily accepts the messages he teaches. Just some little points I've seen on these threads where false teaches are called out. It's not "the world" that hates them, only believers that know that God has told us to call out and expose them like in,
Romans 16:17-18
Colossians 2:8
Ephesians 5:11
2Tim 4:3-4
2 Cor 11:13-15
Galatians 1:6-9
Matthew 7:15
1 John 1:4
Jude 1:4
2 Peter 2:1
And MANY others.

and to test EVERYTHING in light of scripture.
1 John 4:1
Romans 12:2
2 Cor 13:5
Acts 17:11

So to sum up many seem to condemn your judging by judging you, and I find it strange that it doesn't seem to be "the world" that has a problem with these teaching like the bible says, but other believers, HMMM.

 

[garee]

Popcorn and enough space on the sofa to join in.

Who's bringing the drinks?

I like kettle popcorn, a little sweetness. And coffee, cream, no sugar works fine.


I would suggest it is how word of faith preachers defines faith.

If we have the faith of Christ in respect to our own selves which he does preach, then we can how he does blaspheme the holy name we are called by.

The key is in the word “faith” as to whose faith alone, according to whose word alone?. We cannot second guess God with a name it claim it. .Its what brought the fall in the beginning.

 

[FreeNChrist]

In context: (since that's right smack in the middle of a speech):
Acts 20:17 Now from Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called the elders of the church to come to him.18 And when they came to him, he said to them:“You yourselves know how I lived among you the whole time from the first day that I set foot in Asia, 19 serving the Lord with all humility and with tears and with trials that happened to me through the plots of the Jews; 20 how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you in public and from house to house,21 testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. 22 And now, behold, I am going to Jerusalem, constrained by the Spirit, not knowing what will happen to me there, 23 except that the Holy Spirit testifies to me in every city that imprisonment and afflictions await me. 24 But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God. 25 And now, behold, I know that none of you among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom will see my face again. 26 Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all, 27 for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God. 28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. 29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears. 32 And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give youthe inheritance among all those who are sanctified. 33 I coveted no one's silver or gold or apparel. 34 You yourselves know that these hands ministered to my necessities and to those who were with me. 35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”
36 And when he had said these things, he knelt down and prayed with them all. 37 And there was much weeping on the part of all; they embraced Paul and kissed him, 38 being sorrowful most of all because of the word he had spoken, that they would not see his face again. And they accompanied him to the ship.

I like that "whole counsel of God" part, instead of the partial thing happening with Grace-only.

None of which explains away that for the apostle Paul the gospel of Jesus Christ IS the gospel of the Grace of God.

 

[Depleted]

You know what I find the most telling about these threads? Is that so many of one side with swarm on you and shame you for judging Prince, and talk about how divisive you are and how horrible you are for judging, yet they seem to have NO problem AT ALL judging you for it. Where is all there acceptance, GRACE, and turning the other cheek towards your view. It reminds me SO much of the LGBT stance, "you WILL accept my view, and not discriminate against me, but you BETTER NOT hold your own view, and I'll die before I stop fighting to abolish it". It's just so very hypocritical on it's face.

Another interesting thing I've noticed is the site scripture like,

22You will be hated by everyone on account of My name, but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved., and John 15:18-19 18 If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first.19 If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you ,because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.

To apply towards you, but it only seems to be Christians that call out these teachings. The "world" is just find with them, and easily accepts the messages he teaches. Just some little points I've seen on these threads where false teaches are called out. It's not "the world" that hates them, only believers that know that God has told us to call out and expose them like in,
Romans 16:17-18
Colossians 2:8
Ephesians 5:11
2Tim 4:3-4
2 Cor 11:13-15
Galatians 1:6-9
Matthew 7:15
1 John 1:4
Jude 1:4
2 Peter 2:1
And MANY others.

and to test EVERYTHING in light of scripture.
1 John 4:1
Romans 12:2
2 Cor 13:5
Acts 17:11

So to sum up many seem to condemn your judging by judging you, and I find it strange that it doesn't seem to be "the world" that has a problem with these teaching like the bible says, but other believers, HMMM.

They hate me?

Honestly, I thought I was just the mouse to their cat -- something to play with until it gets boring. "Nothing personal." And, as the mouse, I'm just hoping they get bored before I get broken. (Of course, they don't really get I AM broken but God has my back, and I've got relentless determination. This mouse has teeth and knows where the nest of other mice is. I'll keep doing this to protect the nest.)

 

[Depleted]

None of which explains away that for the apostle Paul the gospel of Jesus Christ IS the gospel of the Grace of God.

Nor should it. Just puts it in perspective. I'm against those who think it's only about Grace. God is optional. The whole of God is unwanted.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nor should it. Just puts it in perspective. I'm against those who think it's only about Grace. God is optional. The whole of God is unwanted.

SO your against God??

everythign we recieve, whether it be eternal life, Reward, The ability to work and grow in him, Justification, Sanctification, etc etc is based on the grace of God.

IT IS ALL ABOUT GRACE, WITHOUT GRACE we would have NOTHING..

 

[FreeNChrist]

Nor should it. Just puts it in perspective. I'm against those who think it's only about Grace. God is optional. The whole of God is unwanted.

I'm for those who understand that grace is not merely the dissemination of some commodity, principle or empowerment, that can then be "applied". As if Gods actions are ever detached from the manifestation of who He is in Himself. Grace is the active expression of the very essence of God Himself, there is no grace of God apart from God.

 

[Depleted]

I'm for those who understand that grace is not merely the dissemination of some commodity, principle or empowerment, that can then be "applied". As if Gods actions are ever detached from the manifestation of who He is in Himself. Grace is the active expression of the very essence of God Himself, there is no grace of God apart from God.

Right. Just as there is no love apart from God. Just as there is no mercy apart from God Just as there is no righteous anger apart from God.

We may be on the same page. Doesn't mean everyone else is.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Right. Just as there is no love apart from God. Just as there is no mercy apart from God Just as there is no righteous anger apart from God.

We may be on the same page. Doesn't mean everyone else is.

But, we aren't saved by Gods love, or mercy, or righteous anger...we are saved by His grace, because of His love and mercy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But, we aren't saved by Gods love, or mercy, or righteous anger...we are saved by His grace, because of His love and mercy.

I will just add, And his sacrifice (the cross)

As paul said, I am determined to know nothing, but Christ crucified.

1 Corinthians 2:2 [Full Chapter]
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You know what I find the most telling about these threads? Is that so many of one side with swarm on you and shame you for judging Prince, and talk about how divisive you are and how horrible you are for judging, yet they seem to have NO problem AT ALL judging you for it. Where is all there acceptance, GRACE, and turning the other cheek towards your view. It reminds me SO much of the LGBT stance, "you WILL accept my view, and not discriminate against me, but you BETTER NOT hold your own view, and I'll die before I stop fighting to abolish it". It's just so very hypocritical on it's face.

They remind me of the intolerant progressive left that claims to be tolerant and liberal, but tries to silence the voices that don't agree with it.

 

[GraceRevelation]

Thank God I have the GRACE message! Oh man I am so happy! Threads like this really make me appreciate being able to receive such a beautiful message of who God is. I'm so happy I was able to receive the truth and have this close and connected relationship with God. Knowing that I can run to my Daddy God for anything and he hears me and he's for me and no matter what I am righteous through Christ! Thank you Jesus for this Gift, it truly is freedom and such a blessing you have given me and so many others Love you Abba Father!