I agree, Grace is not given to people who earn it, Or just people you lie (the words way) but to all, but that does not mean all will accept it..
No, that's not grace, that's works. And jesus never said this, Jesus said forgive 70 X 7 whether your brother asked for forgiveness or not.
I agree, it is mistaught, and why so many people are struggling, Because they can not understand grace was paid for by Christ, but people want to pay for it themselves. Think they did something to earn it.. Which is human nature, and why so many buy into it..
A good lie is useless if it does not work A lie that speaks to our nature is a master peace. Because people will be fooled into believing it.
Um no. Mankind was not created in sin, Adam before the fall did not need grace, he earned his relationship with God.
lol.. Yep. And he uses mans wisdom to do just that. He tickles mans fancy, and they fall hook line and sinker. That's why he is called the great deceiver.
No, that's not grace, that's works. And jesus never said this, Jesus said forgive 70 X 7 whether your brother asked for forgiveness or not.
I agree, it is mistaught, and why so many people are struggling, Because they can not understand grace was paid for by Christ, but people want to pay for it themselves. Think they did something to earn it.. Which is human nature, and why so many buy into it..
A good lie is useless if it does not work A lie that speaks to our nature is a master peace. Because people will be fooled into believing it.
Um no. Mankind was not created in sin, Adam before the fall did not need grace, he earned his relationship with God.
lol.. Yep. And he uses mans wisdom to do just that. He tickles mans fancy, and they fall hook line and sinker. That's why he is called the great deceiver.
Jesus never said to obey His commands??? have you ever read the gospel? or do you like so many stick with paul? naw its not unwarranted favor, saved no matter what, sorry, that's not Jesus.
john 14:15-23 "“If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”
Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."
jesus never said that??? again
john 15:5-17 "
“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. You are my friends if you do what I command. I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. This is my command: Love each other."
so how is it a person remains in Jesus?? hmm what else didn't he say?
notice this is AFTER the resurrection...
matthew 28:18-20 "Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
this kind of comment is exactly WHY the grace doctrine blinds people, trying to be saved through paul doesn't happen, Gotta go to the Savior and His words. either you are just lying about what "jesus didn't say" or you don't know because you hear " saved by grace" and don't ever actual look or believe Jesus words. either way you should never question what Jesus said. look at His own words in your own Bible if you want to see Grace. what else did I say that " jesus didnt say?"
matthew 6:14-15 "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."
every single word here Jesus said its written in your own Bible. this is why the grace grace folk, are impossible to discuss anything with. the answer I usually get is " well he said that but it doesn't apply to Christians lol its all about what we do, Grace made it possible. I can quote Jesus every word because I spend my life following Hois word. sorry to disappoint but really its just slander thpose type of comments. look at Jesus words written in your own bible if you want to say what he said or didn't say[SUB][SUP]
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