the two witnesses are God the Father and the Holy Spirit

[badger58]

The reason that we are not listening to your opinion is because you are not speaking according to THE WORD. (Isaiah 8)

Thanks for pointing out Isaiah 8

Isa 8:17 And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.

This is exactly the point! You are looking for the next event to be the rapture of the church. I am waiting on the lord, I WILL LOOK FOR HIM! But you go ahead. Do you know how many of the prophets prayed that God would rise up(literally) and put an end to every wickedness that Satan has unleashed? The Two Witnesses will straiten you and every other soul on the planet OUT. Rest assured. I expect them very soon.

 

[badger58]

Thanks for pointing out Isaiah 8

Isa 8:17 And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.

This is exactly the point! You are looking for the next event to be the rapture of the church. I am waiting on the lord, I WILL LOOK FOR HIM! But you go ahead. Do you know how many of the prophets prayed that God would rise up(literally) and put an end to every wickedness that Satan has unleashed? The Two Witnesses will straiten you and every other soul on the planet OUT. Rest assured. I expect them very soon.

Hab 3:2 ¶ O LORD, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O LORD, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy.


Hab 3:3 ¶ God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.













Hab 3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.


Hab 3:5 Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.


Hab 3:6 He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: his ways are everlasting.

Every time I have had to reevaluate my beliefs, it was because I did not take the word of God literally.

You think this is some kind of holy poetry.

I do not, I take it to be the announcement oF the Father and the Holy Spirits' arrival to the planet earth.

Put this together with Rev 11 and Zechariah 4 and Isaiah 61:2-11 and you can see what I'm saying.

God will do His work, His strange work...

You might also do a study on the the altar sacrifices written of in Torah. They were to offer up animals without( spot or blemish)

That's why it was such an affront to to God when they would offer up laim animals, they were meant to be a symbal of the sacrifice that God would make.

I have more, lots more, but will you hear it?

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. I could go on, but this should be enough to chew on for now.

I give this testimony: God is not unrighteous to let anyone who is willing to invest 40 years into His word to go away

Hungry! He is faithful!

Its better to spar now before we reach the battle field, we will be better equipped.

But if you think this is the battlefield, well you ain't seen nothing yet. Thanks for the spar.

Peace!

 

[miknik5]

Thanks for pointing out Isaiah 8

Isa 8:17 And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.

This is exactly the point! You are looking for the next event to be the rapture of the church. I am waiting on the lord, I WILL LOOK FOR HIM! But you go ahead. Do you know how many of the prophets prayed that God would rise up(literally) and put an end to every wickedness that Satan has unleashed? The Two Witnesses will straiten you and every other soul on the planet OUT. Rest assured. I expect them very soon.

I am not of the house of Jacob...I have already been transferred into ISRAEL...
There are still those who are of the Jacob who haven't yet been transferred into ISRAEL.
And I mean the TRUE ISRAEL of GOD who is HIS SON.
Once those of Jacob are brought in and renamed "ISRAEL" they too will belong to THAT HOUSE, ONE FAMILY/ONE HOUSE all having an inheritance in THE LORD...

 

[miknik5]

Those two witnesses testify to the SAME TRUTH that these today called as HIS WITNESSES testify of and who do not testify alone but by THAT TRUE WITNESS who is in us...and THAT WITNESS is THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH...

TRUTH is TRUTH...

 

[badger58]

Whoever is left and holds to the TESTIMONY and LAW are the ones who will NOT listen to the wrong spirits whispering and muttering everything and anything but THE TESTIMONY and TRUTH of GOD..which is bound up amongst HIS DISCIPLES.

Please review Isaiah 8

Why don't you unbind it then and just let it out like i have poured my heart out to you.
Quit whining!

 

[miknik5]

Hab 3:2 ¶ O LORD, I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O LORD, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy.


Hab 3:3 ¶ God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise.













Hab 3:4 And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power.


Hab 3:5 Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet.


Hab 3:6 He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: his ways are everlasting.

Every time I have had to reevaluate my beliefs, it was because I did not take the word of God literally.

You think this is some kind of holy poetry.

I do not, I take it to be the announcement oF the Father and the Holy Spirits' arrival to the planet earth.

Put this together with Rev 11 and Zechariah 4 and Isaiah 61:2-11 and you can see what I'm saying.

God will do His work, His strange work...

You might also do a study on the the altar sacrifices written of in Torah. They were to offer up animals without( spot or blemish)

That's why it was such an affront to to God when they would offer up laim animals, they were meant to be a symbal of the sacrifice that God would make.

I have more, lots more, but will you hear it?

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. I could go on, but this should be enough to chew on for now.

I give this testimony: God is not unrighteous to let anyone who is willing to invest 40 years into His word to go away

Hungry! He is faithful!

Its better to spar now before we reach the battle field, we will be better equipped.

But if you think this is the battlefield, well you ain't seen nothing yet. Thanks for the spar.

Peace!

HE is not unrighteous to let anyone who held to the TESTIMONY of JESUS to go away hungry at all..
It just might appear to the world that they were not fed.
But they were.

In fact, during HIS WORK of sending out HIS CRAFTSMEN those who hold to the TESTIMONY of JESUS, who did not love their lives even to the death...their works will proceed them.

Do you know what their works were during the time of evil?

They waited on HIM who was hiding HIS FACE (temporarily) from Jacob's struggles and did not "go out".

Not by power or by might sayeth the LORD, but by MY SPIRIT.

That is, if you know of whose SPIRIT you truly are of...

Those two witnesses have power to "rain fire down from Heaven".

But men, born of HIS SPIRIT as WITNESSES to the TRUTH of THE MINISTRY of CHRIST still present in this world today (until the year of HIS FAVOR is complete) are NOT allowed to "rain fire down from Heaven" on ANY.

If they do, they make manifest that they truly did not know of whose SPIRIT they claimed to be.

Zerubabbel's hand laid the foundation and Zerubabbel's hand will complete it...

 

[badger58]

HE is not unrighteous to let anyone who held to the TESTIMONY of JESUS to go away hungry at all..
It just might appear to the world that they were not fed.
But they were.

In fact, during HIS WORK of sending out HIS CRAFTSMEN those who hold to the TESTIMONY of JESUS, who did not love their lives even to the death...their works will proceed them.

Do you know what their works were during the time of evil?

They waited on HIM who was hiding HIS FACE (temporarily) from Jacob's struggles and did not "go out".

Not by power or by might sayeth the LORD, but by MY SPIRIT.

That is, if you know of whose SPIRIT you truly are of...

Those two witnesses have power to "rain fire down from Heaven".

But men, born of HIS SPIRIT as WITNESSES to the TRUTH of THE MINISTRY of CHRIST still present in this world today (until the year of HIS FAVOR is complete) are NOT allowed to "rain fire down from Heaven" on ANY.

If they do, they make manifest that they truly did not know of whose SPIRIT they claimed to be.

Zerubabbel's hand laid the foundation and Zerubabbel's hand will complete it...

God has never given that power to men, Elijah and Solomon and I think there were others prayed, but the fire came from God, that's God power. Rev 11 says the two witnesses have this power in them. Wake up sleeper. It's time to snap out of it.

 

[badger58]

HE is not unrighteous to let anyone who held to the TESTIMONY of JESUS to go away hungry at all..
It just might appear to the world that they were not fed.
But they were.

In fact, during HIS WORK of sending out HIS CRAFTSMEN those who hold to the TESTIMONY of JESUS, who did not love their lives even to the death...their works will proceed them.

Do you know what their works were during the time of evil?

They waited on HIM who was hiding HIS FACE (temporarily) from Jacob's struggles and did not "go out".

Not by power or by might sayeth the LORD, but by MY SPIRIT.

That is, if you know of whose SPIRIT you truly are of...

Those two witnesses have power to "rain fire down from Heaven".

But men, born of HIS SPIRIT as WITNESSES to the TRUTH of THE MINISTRY of CHRIST still present in this world today (until the year of HIS FAVOR is complete) are NOT allowed to "rain fire down from Heaven" on ANY.

If they do, they make manifest that they truly did not know of whose SPIRIT they claimed to be.

Zerubabbel's hand laid the foundation and Zerubabbel's hand will complete it...

Breath micnik5 sit down have a glass of water and breath. You seem to be over heating.

It's gonna be alright. Let each man be convinced in his own mind, as the scripture says

And work out your salvation, with fear and trembling. I'll give you a couple of days to rest up before we spar again. Thanks again

Very stimulating round

 

[miknik5]

God has never given that power to men, Elijah and Solomon and I think there were others prayed, but the fire came from God, that's God power. Rev 11 says the two witnesses have this power in them. Wake up sleeper. It's time to snap out of it.

GOD never gave men power to cast out demons as well.
Well...actually HE did...but those who do these things would never attribute it to themselves but to GOD.
And yet, on that day, many will say LORD LORD didn't I

Let's get it all straight.
No man can do anything...

But GOD did say do not uproot, do not avenge, not by power or by might, but by MY SPIRIT.

We aren't the two witnesses...we were clearly told not to harvest anything...

But the two foreknown witnesses were given a different kind of work.
They preach and they testify of what they have seen in Heaven...those men who do not believe their testimony?
They do have the right to do these things...
We don't....

And still they are not GOD and they are not the HOLY SPIRIT>

By the way, your opinion that the two witnesses are GOD and the HOLY SPIRIT?
Who then, in Heaven, according to Revelation 11:12 is doing this work of calling those two witnesses to "come up here"?

 

[badger58]

By the way, your opinion that the two witnesses are GOD and the HOLY SPIRIT?
Who then, in Heaven, according to Revelation 11:12 is doing this work of calling those two witnesses to "come up here"?

Isn't the answer obvious THE LORD JESUS

Lets take closer look at how great the Two Witnesses are. This is just after their resurrection.

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.


Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


Rev 11:15 ¶ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,


Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.


Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


Rev 11:19 ¶ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Wow all this said about a couple of prophets.

Part of bible study is recognizing paterns. Lets copare and contrast what we see.

We don't see in all of the bible, God doing this to a prophet. Not Abraham,Job,Joseph,Moses,Elijah,David,Daniel,Isaiah,Ezekiel and all the other prophets.No other prophet has caused has caused this much of a stir!

JUST HOW GREAT ARE THESE TWO WITNESSES?

LETS SEE
#1 no mention of their being born: Like Melkizidek(King of Righteousness)
#2 these two olive trees are the source of the oil that fed the golden Lampstand(Jesus) I don't think its a stretch to say they anointed Him(Jesus)from this description.
#3 The have power to produce fire out of their mouths to destroy entire armies. I know it doesn't say armies, but what kind of leathal force do you think the world governments will unleash if they think that the Two Witnesses are destroying the earth.
#4 they have power over the weather, ain't gonna be any, no rain on the entire planet. They can turn rivers into blood.
What else can we compare these two great ones?
Interestingly the have quiet a bit in common with Jesus!
All three had a ministry that lasted for3 1/2 yrs.
All three could not be killed until their ministry was over.
All three were murdered in the same place.
All three were dead for three days.
All three are resurrected before anyone else(first fruits) former and later rains.
All three were witnessed ascending to the clouds.
JUST HOW GREAT ARE THESE TWO WITNESSES. ILL LET YOU BE THE JUDGE
WERE THEY LIKE WHAT WE SEE A CURING WITH THE PROPHETS OR ARE THEY MORE LIKE JESUS ? JUST BE HONEST AND JUDGE
AS A JUDGE SHOULD BE IMPARTIAL.

THE DEFENSE RESTS YOUR HONOR

YOUR WITNESS

 

[prove-all]

By the way, your opinion that the two witnesses are GOD and the HOLY SPIRIT?
Who then, in Heaven, according to Revelation 11:12 is doing this work of calling those two witnesses to "come up here"?

Isn't the answer obvious THE LORD JESUS

Lets take closer look at how great the Two Witnesses are. This is just after their resurrection.

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Rev 11:15 ¶ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Rev 11:19 ¶ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Wow all this said about a couple of prophets.

you would be mistaken, nothing past Rev 11:12
has anything to do with the two witnesses doing anything

 

[miknik5]

Why don't you unbind it then and just let it out like i have poured my heart out to you.
Quit whining!

Why would I be whining at all?

 

[prove-all]

Don't you realize the savior died because those in power, the scribes
and the Pharisees saw Jesus' ideas to be the ruins of the Jewish nation.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
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History shows that Rome was in power at the time of Jesus.
Romans gave positions to the scribes and the Pharisees over the jews.
They though Jesus was going to restore the Kingdom of God right then,
if He did, they would have lost there power and positions over others.

 

[badger58]

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
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History shows that Rome was in power at the time of Jesus.
Romans gave positions to the scribes and the Pharisees over the jews.
They though Jesus was going to restore the Kingdom of God right then,
if He did, they would have lost there power and positions over others.

No they did not believe that! For if they did, logic follow that they new He was telling the truth, and that He really was sent from heaven. They thought he was an insurrectionist and a liar and that He had a demon. Hmm (I know the feeling) that's why they killed Him. Take heed when all men speak well of you.

Better the blows of a friend than the kisses of the enemy!
Thanks

 

[miknik5]

No they did not believe that! For if they did, logic follow that they new He was telling the truth, and that He really was sent from heaven. They thought he was an insurrectionist and a liar and that He had a demon. Hmm (I know the feeling) that's why they killed Him. Take heed when all men speak well of you.

Better the blows of a friend than the kisses of the enemy!
Thanks

It wasn't a mistake sir.
THE CUP could not pass.
There was no other way for mankind to be saved but by, and through the blood of the ONE who laid down the life so that we might have LIFE...IN HIM...

 

[miknik5]

Can we go over Revelation 10 through Revelation 11?

By the way...no more "prophets".
Only witnesses who hold to the TESTIMONY of JESUS.
For the very TESTIMONY of JESUS IS......THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY...


Don't you believe the REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST is sufficient?
Let's begin at the beginning then:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

 

[badger58]

It wasn't a mistake sir.
THE CUP could not pass.
There was no other way for mankind to be saved but by, and through the blood of the ONE who laid down the life so that we might have LIFE...IN HIM...

I'm confused by this comment: Who said it was a mistake? Please clarify.

 

[miknik5]

Breath micnik5 sit down have a glass of water and breath. You seem to be over heating.

It's gonna be alright. Let each man be convinced in his own mind, as the scripture says

And work out your salvation, with fear and trembling. I'll give you a couple of days to rest up before we spar again. Thanks again

Very stimulating round

..for it is GOD who worketh in you to will and to do HIS GOOD PLEASURE.

Aren't we GOD'S WORKMANSHIP created in CHRIST JESUS unto good works which HE prepared in advance that we should walk in?

That would explain why John was told to prophecy again...and was given the very scroll of (lamentations) to eat...
Do you know better than John concerning the Two Witnesses then?

Should we listen to you or to GOD'S WORD by HIS SPIRIT?

The very theme of Isaiah 1-8 is not to put your hopes in a man of what account are men?
Therefore, those who HOPE in CHRIST aren't their faith in and on HIM sufficient to save?

 

[miknik5]

No they did not believe that! For if they did, logic follow that they new He was telling the truth, and that He really was sent from heaven. They thought he was an insurrectionist and a liar and that He had a demon. Hmm (I know the feeling) that's why they killed Him. Take heed when all men speak well of you.

Better the blows of a friend than the kisses of the enemy!
Thanks

I'm confused by this comment: Who said it was a mistake? Please clarify.

HE had to drink THE CUP for ALL mankind.
It wasn't just the Romans who will be found guilty of HIS BLOOD.


Better HIS BLOOD mark us than HIS BLOOD be upon us and our children...

 

[miknik5]

By the way, Badger, why do you identify the lampstands as GOD and the HOLY SPIRIT when JESUS doesn't?

See Revelation 1