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:smoke: what youve mention is about
what is written
:read:
Acts 17:23
As I was going through your city and looking closely at the objects you worship, I noticed an altar with this written on it: 'To an unknown god.' I'm telling you about the unknown god you worship.
no can do my brothers and sisters
we cant tell to anybody about the full story of those old folks from the valley ... .
:happy: we hope youll understand
and please always continue to
read the holy scriptures
:ty:
godbless us all always
what is written
:read:
Acts 17:23
As I was going through your city and looking closely at the objects you worship, I noticed an altar with this written on it: 'To an unknown god.' I'm telling you about the unknown god you worship.
no can do my brothers and sisters we cant tell to anybody about the full story of those old folks from the valley ... .
:happy: we hope youll understand
and please always continue to
read the holy scriptures
:ty:
godbless us all always
:smoke: what youve mention is about
what is written
:read:
Acts 17:23
As I was going through your city and looking closely at the objects you worship, I noticed an altar with this written on it: 'To an unknown god.' I'm telling you about the unknown god you worship.
no can do my brothers and sisters
we cant tell to anybody about the full story of those old folks from the valley ... .
:happy: we hope youll understand
and please always continue to
read the holy scriptures
:ty:
godbless us all always
what is written
:read:
Acts 17:23
As I was going through your city and looking closely at the objects you worship, I noticed an altar with this written on it: 'To an unknown god.' I'm telling you about the unknown god you worship.
no can do my brothers and sisters we cant tell to anybody about the full story of those old folks from the valley ... .
:happy: we hope youll understand
and please always continue to
read the holy scriptures
:ty:
godbless us all always
Show us the scriptures where HE told us not to tell any man about HIM...and you will remember HE said this only regards to that Theophany of HIS GLORY given to James, John and Peter...and even in this, HE said, until I have risen...
CHRIST commissioned HIS WITNESSES to "go"
HE never said who would hear and believe...HE just told us to "go" and preach THE TRUTH of THE GOSPEL of THE GIFT of GOD in CHRIST JESUS...
For that "unknown GOD"...even Paul revealed to those who were known and visibly seen to be worshipping pagan gods alongside the TRUTH of the ONE TRUE GOD...
And Paul made HIM known....
The same thing that we, called as HIS WITNESSES, do today...that a man who might hear and believe might be saved...
And further, unless I am misunderstanding, how is it that what you say would even be considered PURE and HOLY and UNBIASED and IMPARTIAL "righteousness" if those who have been given the TRUTH of THE SON of GOD should withhold THE TRUTH of THE SON of GOD from any?
In that, we rise above GOD and decide and deem whom we decide and deem is "worthy" of hearing and believing?
When really none of us were "worthy" but GOD'S GRACE non the less came to us that we might preach THE TRUTH and GRACE of GOD to all men.
Let he who has ears to hear...hear...
In that, we rise above GOD and decide and deem whom we decide and deem is "worthy" of hearing and believing?
When really none of us were "worthy" but GOD'S GRACE non the less came to us that we might preach THE TRUTH and GRACE of GOD to all men.
Let he who has ears to hear...hear...
GOD will justify...both sir.
it is what Job, Lot, and Abraham understood...
Men, during the time of evil, have two choices, to look up knowing their redeemer lives and that even as their flesh might wear away, still and even in their flesh, their own eyes shall see HIM standing upon the earth in the last days.
And then there are those who will "go out" and take matters into their own hands..making manifest that they did not even know THEIR GOD...
Not by power or by might, sayeth the LORD...but by HIS SPIRIT
That is, if we claim to know HIS SPIRIT...
Some do.
Some don't...
it is what Job, Lot, and Abraham understood...
Men, during the time of evil, have two choices, to look up knowing their redeemer lives and that even as their flesh might wear away, still and even in their flesh, their own eyes shall see HIM standing upon the earth in the last days.
And then there are those who will "go out" and take matters into their own hands..making manifest that they did not even know THEIR GOD...
Not by power or by might, sayeth the LORD...but by HIS SPIRIT
That is, if we claim to know HIS SPIRIT...
Some do.
Some don't...
:8) indeed
but as a human everyone knows we have our limitations
:read:
Mark 14:38
Watch and pray, that you be not overcome by temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
:smoke: but again your right my brothers and my sisters
the love of our lord god who is good and doesnt lie
and with the help and mercy of his only begotten son
we will always prevail against those evil things
:ty:
godbless us all always
but as a human everyone knows we have our limitations
:read:
Mark 14:38
Watch and pray, that you be not overcome by temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
:smoke: but again your right my brothers and my sisters
the love of our lord god who is good and doesnt lie
and with the help and mercy of his only begotten son
we will always prevail against those evil things
:ty:
godbless us all always
Amen..these are good desires - built into us from birth and now completely fulfilled in Christ. We are one with Him. We are children of God now. We have His nature in our spirit - the new inner man of the heart created when we were born again.
This is where learning our true selves in our new creation in Christ brings about the true life of Christ in and through us outwardly as our minds get renewed to the truths of our union with the Lord. We are new creations in Him - created in righteousness and holiness. We are children of God learning how to live from His life inside of us now.
How we are simply working out what is in us now. Phil 2:12-13 The true Christian life is an endless adventure in seeing Jesus and what He has already done for us.
This is where learning our true selves in our new creation in Christ brings about the true life of Christ in and through us outwardly as our minds get renewed to the truths of our union with the Lord. We are new creations in Him - created in righteousness and holiness. We are children of God learning how to live from His life inside of us now.
How we are simply working out what is in us now. Phil 2:12-13 The true Christian life is an endless adventure in seeing Jesus and what He has already done for us.
Another way just occured to me too.
Remember in Girl Scouts when all would sit in a big circle and the leader would whisper a phrase in the first persons ear and each would then whisper it to the next one? Then the last person would stand and say what they heard and great laughter would ensue when the leader then read what she had REALLY said?
To do something like this to show them how stories through the years get garbled, parts missing, other things added. Then say that this is just what happens over time and then tell them the original story in its entirety, correctly, pure as it had begun when it was told to their elders...
Remember in Girl Scouts when all would sit in a big circle and the leader would whisper a phrase in the first persons ear and each would then whisper it to the next one? Then the last person would stand and say what they heard and great laughter would ensue when the leader then read what she had REALLY said?
To do something like this to show them how stories through the years get garbled, parts missing, other things added. Then say that this is just what happens over time and then tell them the original story in its entirety, correctly, pure as it had begun when it was told to their elders...
maybe your mistaken someone as our lord jesus christ for being the same man that those oldfolks in the valley used to tell us :hrmm:
:8) but regarding unto your questions
Show us the scriptures where HE told us not to tell any man about HIM...
:read:
1 TIMOTHY 3
1*Faithful is the word: If anyone aspires to the overseership, he desires a good work.
2*The overseer then must be without reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, of a sober mind, orderly, hospitable, apt to teach;
3*Not an excessive drinker; not a striker, but forbearing; not contentious; not fond of money;
4*One who manages well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity
5*(But if one does not know how to manage his own house, how will he care for the church of God?);
6*Not a new convert, lest being blinded with pride he fall into the judgment suffered by the devil.
7*And he also must have a good testimony from those outside, that he may not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
:smoke: and as one of our brethren told us before
:read:
John 17:18
"As You sent me into the Olam Hazeh, so also I send them into the Olam Hazeh. [Tehillim 119:142, 160]
19*"And for their sake, I set myself apart as kadosh that they also may be set apart for use that is kadosh in HaEmes.
20*"However, I do not make bakash (petition) concerning these only, but also concerning the ones becoming ma'aminim in me because of their Dvar.
21*"That all may be echad, as you, Avi, are in me and I am in You, [Yirmeyah 32:39] that also they may be in us, that the Olam Hazeh may have emunah (faith) that you sent me.
22*"The kavod which You have given me, I have given them, that they may be echad just as we are echad.
23*"I in them and You in me that they may become tamim (perfect) in Achdut (Unity) that the Olam Hazeh may have da'as that you sent me, and had ahavah for them, just as You have ahavah for me.
24*"Elohim Avi, as to that which You have given me, I desire that where I am, those also may be with me, that they may behold my Kavod, which You have given me, because You had ahavah for me before the hivvased haOlam (the establishing of the world).
25*"Avi haTzaddik, indeed the world did not have da'as of You, but I knew You, and these ones knew that You sent me.
26*"And I have made known to them the Shem of You and will make it known, that the ahavah with which you loved me may be in them and I in them."
:ty:
godbless us all always
I would call it 'the never-ending trench warfare.'
That these are the only two 'options' is the big lie that causes so much division here on CC.
We stand on a road called salvation and say; "You must chose one ditch or the other and shoot at each other until everyone is dead." We forget that we are not called to a trench warfare, but to a life of encouraging and building up one another in the faith as the day of His glorious appearing draws near. Perfectionism is error. Pretending we can live like hell after we have been baptized is also error. I think that we can agree that most straight and narrows have two ditches on either side. Satan seems to be telling everyone to pick one or the other and completely ignore the third way; right down the center line. He has nasty little names he calls this center line. Names like 'compromise', 'tolerance', 'lukewarmness'. It is none of these. It is truth, love, peace, order. It is pure, sound, doctrine. It is not good to agree to disagree. It is not good to tolerate error. But it is also not good to swallow the lie that contending for the faith has to mean we must choose a trench to hide behind and shoot from.
That these are the only two 'options' is the big lie that causes so much division here on CC.
We stand on a road called salvation and say; "You must chose one ditch or the other and shoot at each other until everyone is dead." We forget that we are not called to a trench warfare, but to a life of encouraging and building up one another in the faith as the day of His glorious appearing draws near. Perfectionism is error. Pretending we can live like hell after we have been baptized is also error. I think that we can agree that most straight and narrows have two ditches on either side. Satan seems to be telling everyone to pick one or the other and completely ignore the third way; right down the center line. He has nasty little names he calls this center line. Names like 'compromise', 'tolerance', 'lukewarmness'. It is none of these. It is truth, love, peace, order. It is pure, sound, doctrine. It is not good to agree to disagree. It is not good to tolerate error. But it is also not good to swallow the lie that contending for the faith has to mean we must choose a trench to hide behind and shoot from.
:8) but regarding unto your questions
Show us the scriptures where HE told us not to tell any man about HIM...
:smoke: you could also
:read:
1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, “Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard and which have not come up in man’s heart; things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
:ty:
godbless us all always
Show us the scriptures where HE told us not to tell any man about HIM...
:smoke: you could also
:read:
1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, “Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard and which have not come up in man’s heart; things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
:ty:
godbless us all always
maybe your mistaken someone as our lord jesus christ for being the same man that those oldfolks in the valley used to tell us :hrmm:
:8) but regarding unto your questions
Show us the scriptures where HE told us not to tell any man about HIM...
:read:
1 TIMOTHY 3
1*Faithful is the word: If anyone aspires to the overseership, he desires a good work.
2*The overseer then must be without reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, of a sober mind, orderly, hospitable, apt to teach;
3*Not an excessive drinker; not a striker, but forbearing; not contentious; not fond of money;
4*One who manages well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity
5*(But if one does not know how to manage his own house, how will he care for the church of God?);
6*Not a new convert, lest being blinded with pride he fall into the judgment suffered by the devil.
7*And he also must have a good testimony from those outside, that he may not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
:smoke: and as one of our brethren told us before
:read:
John 17:18
"As You sent me into the Olam Hazeh, so also I send them into the Olam Hazeh. [Tehillim 119:142, 160]
19*"And for their sake, I set myself apart as kadosh that they also may be set apart for use that is kadosh in HaEmes.
20*"However, I do not make bakash (petition) concerning these only, but also concerning the ones becoming ma'aminim in me because of their Dvar.
21*"That all may be echad, as you, Avi, are in me and I am in You, [Yirmeyah 32:39] that also they may be in us, that the Olam Hazeh may have emunah (faith) that you sent me.
22*"The kavod which You have given me, I have given them, that they may be echad just as we are echad.
23*"I in them and You in me that they may become tamim (perfect) in Achdut (Unity) that the Olam Hazeh may have da'as that you sent me, and had ahavah for them, just as You have ahavah for me.
24*"Elohim Avi, as to that which You have given me, I desire that where I am, those also may be with me, that they may behold my Kavod, which You have given me, because You had ahavah for me before the hivvased haOlam (the establishing of the world).
25*"Avi haTzaddik, indeed the world did not have da'as of You, but I knew You, and these ones knew that You sent me.
26*"And I have made known to them the Shem of You and will make it known, that the ahavah with which you loved me may be in them and I in them."
:ty:
godbless us all always
Thank GOD that HE sees the heart and the TRUE confession of CHRIST where no man can see...
Therefore sir...you should do the work of pointing all to THE DOOR and step aside and let GOD do HIS WORK...
Romans 10 is sufficient to remember...
As well, the Lazy servant...
You, if you have been given the seeds of life...cast them and LET THE SEEDS fall where they will fall.
If you don't...if you decide in your own heart when to cast the seeds, then it is you who hoard and hinder the crops...
Not GOD...
You...any worker/servant, even if we were to speak about things according to this world, who is called to work in his employer's field...if he decides not to cast the seeds, he is the one who steals from his employer what could have come up...
Therefore sir...you should do the work of pointing all to THE DOOR and step aside and let GOD do HIS WORK...
Romans 10 is sufficient to remember...
As well, the Lazy servant...
You, if you have been given the seeds of life...cast them and LET THE SEEDS fall where they will fall.
If you don't...if you decide in your own heart when to cast the seeds, then it is you who hoard and hinder the crops...
Not GOD...
You...any worker/servant, even if we were to speak about things according to this world, who is called to work in his employer's field...if he decides not to cast the seeds, he is the one who steals from his employer what could have come up...
This appeal to be like GOD?
Well, let's all remember John 6 then...and CHRIST'S WORD in John 10 with regards to the scripture saying "ye are "gods"...
Not because we are gods...but because to whom THE WORD of GOD has come...those have ETERNAL LIFE...BECAUSE the WORD of GOD has come...
When JESUS said to those "supposed" believers...ye must eat of ME...they went away and were offended by these words.
And CHRIST said to Peter, do you also wish to leave?
What was Peter's response??????
We can also remember the parable of the sower and CHRIST explaining to HIS DISCIPLES...the secrets of the KINGDOM of GOD have not been given to all...
Or we can remember CHRIST saying...I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
Well, let's all remember John 6 then...and CHRIST'S WORD in John 10 with regards to the scripture saying "ye are "gods"...
Not because we are gods...but because to whom THE WORD of GOD has come...those have ETERNAL LIFE...BECAUSE the WORD of GOD has come...
When JESUS said to those "supposed" believers...ye must eat of ME...they went away and were offended by these words.
And CHRIST said to Peter, do you also wish to leave?
What was Peter's response??????
We can also remember the parable of the sower and CHRIST explaining to HIS DISCIPLES...the secrets of the KINGDOM of GOD have not been given to all...
Or we can remember CHRIST saying...I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
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:smoke: certainly the answer is also written in the scriptures
:read:
1 Corinthians 1:27
but God chose the foolish things of the world that he might put to shame those who are wise. God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong;
28*and God chose the lowly things of the world, and the things that are despised, and the things that are not, that he might bring to nothing the things that are:
29*that no flesh should boast before God.
:8) also this
:read:
John 13:19*
From now on, I tell you before it happens, that when it happens, you may believe that I am he.
20*Most certainly I tell you, he who receives whomever I send, receives me; and he who receives me, receives him who sent me.”
:ty:
godbless us all always
:read:
1 Corinthians 1:27
but God chose the foolish things of the world that he might put to shame those who are wise. God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong;
28*and God chose the lowly things of the world, and the things that are despised, and the things that are not, that he might bring to nothing the things that are:
29*that no flesh should boast before God.
:8) also this
:read:
John 13:19*
From now on, I tell you before it happens, that when it happens, you may believe that I am he.
20*Most certainly I tell you, he who receives whomever I send, receives me; and he who receives me, receives him who sent me.”
:ty:
godbless us all always
I had to come back and say,( because your post has not left my mind for more than a few minutes at a time since I read it), that I strongly agree with you. There are so many arguments that I don't really understand the importance of...
OSAS/NOSAS - I'm awlays left thinking...what does it matter? Why should I NEED to grasp for and hold eternal life by doctrines, as if His hands are bound by law and He cannot do whatever He pleases? Why does the debate matter when He is so merciful as to always guide me and to forgive me immediately when I return from my slopping in puddles? Why would I want or need to graba t something like this and try to prove that He cannot ever take from me something that He does not WANT to take from me? The whole debate seems to me like a lawyer trying to use the law to prevent God from being able to wiggle out from the doctrine. He will always do whatever is good and right and merciful and loving and for my best. Why do I need a document/doctrine to demand this from Him...?
OSAS/NOSAS - I'm awlays left thinking...what does it matter? Why should I NEED to grasp for and hold eternal life by doctrines, as if His hands are bound by law and He cannot do whatever He pleases? Why does the debate matter when He is so merciful as to always guide me and to forgive me immediately when I return from my slopping in puddles? Why would I want or need to graba t something like this and try to prove that He cannot ever take from me something that He does not WANT to take from me? The whole debate seems to me like a lawyer trying to use the law to prevent God from being able to wiggle out from the doctrine. He will always do whatever is good and right and merciful and loving and for my best. Why do I need a document/doctrine to demand this from Him...?